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Post by Arlon10 on Sept 15, 2018 0:52:39 GMT
Religion has two solutions for that problem. One of them, the only one you seem to know, is helping the people with their material needs like food, clothing and shelter. The other way is helping them with their spiritual needs, which means teaching them to abstain from making babies they can't support.
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Post by Eλευθερί on Sept 15, 2018 1:05:46 GMT
The other way is helping them with their spiritual needs, which means teaching them to abstain from making babies they can't support. (a) Teaching abstinence is not a reliable protection against pregnancy (b) Teaching potential parents not to make babies they can't support won't help the children who are dying as we watch (or choose not to watch) from starvation right now |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Sept 15, 2018 1:37:27 GMT
lol at you sitting there doing nothing as you type this. I could be wrong butt I don't think that he is a person of faith. So he doesn't have the obligation I have? I thought he was doing a comparison I didn't know being a theophobiac meant you don't need to help humanity. I need to learn how to blindly hate stuff more often if it lets me be lazy. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Sept 15, 2018 1:39:49 GMT
Mankind's failure is God's fault Well, if the god of the big world religions existed... of course it would be. Why? That doesn't make sense until you explain it. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2018 1:49:12 GMT
Well, if the god of the big world religions existed... of course it would be. Why? That doesn't make sense until you explain it. I've explained it several times before... it's ridiculously simple. Nothing happens outside of God's will. Ergo, God is responsible. |
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Post by goz on Sept 15, 2018 1:54:30 GMT
I could be wrong butt I don't think that he is a person of faith. So he doesn't have the obligation I have? I thought he was doing a comparison I didn't know being a theophobiac meant you don't need to help humanity. I need to learn how to blindly hate stuff more often if it lets me be lazy. He claimed YOU accused him of standing by idle. The presumption was yours since his accusation was that religion was a part cause or cause of the situation, and/or people of faith hypocritically promote themselves as charitable. We are all responsible for helping humanity especially powerless women and children however if religion is the cause or part cause, then the obligation is more urgent for the 'faithful'. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Sept 15, 2018 2:10:20 GMT
So he doesn't have the obligation I have? I thought he was doing a comparison I didn't know being a theophobiac meant you don't need to help humanity. I need to learn how to blindly hate stuff more often if it lets me be lazy. He claimed YOU accused him of standing by idle. The presumption was yours since his accusation was that religion was a part cause or cause of the situation, and/or people of faith hypocritically promote themselves as charitable. We are all responsible for helping humanity especially powerless women and children however if religion is the cause or part cause, then the obligation is more urgent for the 'faithful'. But it's not our government. It's his too. If he's discussing charity, then he should get off his own late butt to help out rather than googling images. He may be an idiot for thinking religion is somehow more responsible than the government. Heck Christianity doesn't even obligate me to help with government issues. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Sept 15, 2018 2:12:18 GMT
Why? That doesn't make sense until you explain it. I've explained it several times before... it's ridiculously simple. Nothing happens outside of God's will. Ergo, God is responsible. You were wrong then you're wrong now. |
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Post by Arlon10 on Sept 15, 2018 4:14:30 GMT
The other way is helping them with their spiritual needs, which means teaching them to abstain from making babies they can't support. (a) Teaching abstinence is not a reliable protection against pregnancy (b) Teaching potential parents not to make babies they can't support won't help the children who are dying as we watch (or choose not to watch) from starvation right now A) Giving material help to the poor just creates more poor people. Obviously that is not really solving any problem. B) Should they learn abstinence that would solve the problem. |
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Post by Eλευθερί on Sept 15, 2018 18:35:14 GMT
(a) Teaching abstinence is not a reliable protection against pregnancy (b) Teaching potential parents not to make babies they can't support won't help the children who are dying as we watch (or choose not to watch) from starvation right now A) Giving material help to the poor just creates more poor people. Obviously that is not really solving any problem. B) Should they learn abstinence that would solve the problem. If from this moment no additional child was ever born again, it would not solve the problem of babies who are dying of starvation due to the blockade right now. |
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Post by Arlon10 on Sept 16, 2018 0:37:23 GMT
A) Giving material help to the poor just creates more poor people. Obviously that is not really solving any problem. B) Should they learn abstinence that would solve the problem. If from this moment no additional child was ever born again, it would not solve the problem of babies who are dying of starvation due to the blockade right now. How do you know? Look at all the people with time and resources to spare. |
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Post by amyghost on Sept 16, 2018 14:23:11 GMT
I've explained it several times before... it's ridiculously simple. Nothing happens outside of God's will. Ergo, God is responsible. You were wrong then you're wrong now. Explain, in a succinct manner, precisely how he's wrong. Either all happens as a result of god's will or it does not. Either god is omnipotent or he is not. You stand as the sterling example of the Christian who wants to assert god's supreme power until it lands him in the embarrassing situation of having to recognize that this means god is responsible for all that occurs in the world, good, bad and indifferent. When faced with this, said Christian goes off into vague ramblings about how scripture 'proves' this is not the case, but never seems to be able to state in plain terms how this is so. And no natterings please about Isaiah 45:7 and the correct meaning of the Hebrew word 'rah'. |
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Post by THawk on Sept 18, 2018 12:53:30 GMT
Where is your god here? There is no god. Sort yourself out. My God has restored and is comforting the children who have died in the joys of Heaven. Your god of atheism is powerless when they die, they simply rot in the ground and are covered by the blackness of injustice for eternity. |
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Post by thefleetsin on Sept 18, 2018 15:21:04 GMT
well come to the united states then.
geeesh. we're just dyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyying to replace our south of the border exploited gardeners with a whole new crop of shiny new citizens.
lord love ya. oh and eat something.
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Post by Eλευθερί on Sept 18, 2018 17:26:52 GMT
Where is your god here? There is no god. Sort yourself out. My God has restored and is comforting the children who have died in the joys of Heaven. Your god of atheism is powerless when they die, they simply rot in the ground and are covered by the blackness of injustice for eternity. What about the children who are not yet dead but are suffering mightily? Do you know what it feels like to go 3 or 4 days without anything to eat? How about going weeks without enough to eat? And without any medicines when you are sick? |
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Post by THawk on Sept 18, 2018 19:06:29 GMT
My God has restored and is comforting the children who have died in the joys of Heaven. Your god of atheism is powerless when they die, they simply rot in the ground and are covered by the blackness of injustice for eternity. What about the children who are not yet dead but are suffering mightily? Do you know what it feels like to go 3 or 4 days without anything to eat? How about going weeks without enough to eat? And without any medicines when you are sick? I take it then you concede the point, which in the context of eternity is by far more important than anything else.
And do you know that these children are suffering due to man-made problems? Africa, Asia's problem is not that it has a lack of resources or that it doesn't have intelligent people. It is not "cursed." It has been raped and continues to be raped by colonialists and now globalists who put greed and profit above lives. Humankind has been given the tools and the resources to help all of these children, 1000 times over. We fail because of the people we have elected to represent us.
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Post by Rodney Farber on Sept 18, 2018 21:00:09 GMT
It is sad and such a travesty that this is happening while there are people in the world who have more money and access to food that they don't know what to do with it all.... The problem is evolution. As Darwin said, the population always rises faster than the food supply. |
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Post by amyghost on Sept 18, 2018 21:10:33 GMT
Where is your god here? There is no god. Sort yourself out. Your god of atheism is powerless when they die, they simply rot in the ground and are covered by the blackness of injustice for eternity. I assume you've been there to check this out for yourself? |
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Post by Cody™ on Sept 18, 2018 21:36:55 GMT
Where is your god here? There is no god. Sort yourself out. Do you talk this way to your Muslim buddies down the boozer, Dougal? |
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Post by Eλευθερί on Sept 18, 2018 22:43:57 GMT
My God has restored and is comforting the children who have died in the joys of Heaven.Your god of atheism is powerless when they die, they simply rot in the ground and are covered by the blackness of injustice for eternity. I assume you've been there to check this out for yourself?  |
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