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Post by clusium on Sept 18, 2018 14:23:06 GMT
Actually, Christians did make up their minds at the Council of Nicea: The Lord Jesus IS GOD. Only post Reformation, did a few sects again denied His Divinity, such as the Jehovah's Witnesses & the Mormons, etc. But the One True Religion has gone on to spawn any number of sects that disagree over essential theistic points since those halcyon Nicean days. Fancy that, one wonders why god tolerates such a state of affairs. You'd think he might at least get the house of his own believers in order, even if he let the rest of the world go hang. All religions have gone onto spawn numerous sects that disagree with the main theistic points of the religion, not just Christianity.
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Post by amyghost on Sept 18, 2018 14:43:30 GMT
But the One True Religion has gone on to spawn any number of sects that disagree over essential theistic points since those halcyon Nicean days. Fancy that, one wonders why god tolerates such a state of affairs. You'd think he might at least get the house of his own believers in order, even if he let the rest of the world go hang. All religions have gone onto spawn numerous sects that disagree with the main theistic points of the religion, not just Christianity. Exactly, so what precisely defines Christianity as being anything other than simply another human-created religious system, no more or less fallible than any other?
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Post by clusium on Sept 18, 2018 14:48:20 GMT
All religions have gone onto spawn numerous sects that disagree with the main theistic points of the religion, not just Christianity. Exactly, so what precisely defines Christianity as being anything other than simply another human-created religious system, no more or less fallible than any other? Christ's Passion, Death, and Resurrection.
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Post by amyghost on Sept 18, 2018 15:25:28 GMT
Exactly, so what precisely defines Christianity as being anything other than simply another human-created religious system, no more or less fallible than any other? Christ's Passion, Death, and Resurrection. Circular logic. Try again.
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Post by maya55555 on Sept 18, 2018 17:59:14 GMT
amyghost You should learn to mind your own business. Goz does your accusation to everyone. It is only fair that I return her favor.
OK, whose sock are you?
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Post by clusium on Sept 18, 2018 18:59:47 GMT
Christ's Passion, Death, and Resurrection. Circular logic. Try again. What was so circular about that.... ??
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Post by goz on Sept 18, 2018 20:51:38 GMT
Circular logic. Try again. What was so circular about that.... ?? Please read this article. rationalwiki.org/wiki/Transcendental_argument_for_Godit encompasses some of the axioms of a circular argument. When you claim that your religion is true because of Jesus, you are falling into the circular argument logic trap of basing your view on the basic premise of that view being a fact, when it isn't necessarily true, it is only what you believe and your religion proscribes. Circular reasoning is a logical fallacy that occurs when the conclusion of an argument is used as a premise of that same argument; i.e., the premises would not work if the conclusion weren't already assumed to be true Read the whole article and at least understand what you are doing.
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Post by amyghost on Sept 18, 2018 20:52:29 GMT
amyghost You should learn to mind your own business. Goz does your accusation to everyone. It is only fair that I return her favor.
OK, whose sock are you? Perhaps you shouldn't be posting on a public forum if you feel that way. I'm free to comment on your posts as you are on mine, and anyone else's.
And stop taking cues from vegas, that simply makes you sound silly.
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Post by amyghost on Sept 18, 2018 20:59:16 GMT
What was so circular about that.... ?? Please read this article. rationalwiki.org/wiki/Transcendental_argument_for_Godit encompasses some of the axioms of a circular argument. When you claim that your religion is true because of Jesus, you are falling into the circular argument logic trap of basing your view on the basic premise of that view being a fact, when it isn't necessarily true, it is only what you believe and your religion proscribes. Read the whole article and at least understand what you are doing. Precisely. Because a wandering wonder-worker underwent martyrdom in an attempt to prove that he was the prophesied messiah of the Hebrew scriptures no more makes your particular holy texts valid than Mohammed's claim that he was the chosen mouthpiece for Allah validates the Muslim's claims for the 'truth' of the Quran.
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Post by clusium on Sept 18, 2018 22:13:47 GMT
What was so circular about that.... ?? Please read this article. rationalwiki.org/wiki/Transcendental_argument_for_Godit encompasses some of the axioms of a circular argument. When you claim that your religion is true because of Jesus, you are falling into the circular argument logic trap of basing your view on the basic premise of that view being a fact, when it isn't necessarily true, it is only what you believe and your religion proscribes. Circular reasoning is a logical fallacy that occurs when the conclusion of an argument is used as a premise of that same argument; i.e., the premises would not work if the conclusion weren't already assumed to be true Read the whole article and at least understand what you are doing. I know what a circular argument is, Goz. I was asking why my answer was circular.
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Post by amyghost on Sept 18, 2018 22:46:13 GMT
Please read this article. rationalwiki.org/wiki/Transcendental_argument_for_Godit encompasses some of the axioms of a circular argument. When you claim that your religion is true because of Jesus, you are falling into the circular argument logic trap of basing your view on the basic premise of that view being a fact, when it isn't necessarily true, it is only what you believe and your religion proscribes. Circular reasoning is a logical fallacy that occurs when the conclusion of an argument is used as a premise of that same argument; i.e., the premises would not work if the conclusion weren't already assumed to be true Read the whole article and at least understand what you are doing. I know what a circular argument is, Goz. I was asking why my answer was circular. Circular reasoning is a logical fallacy that occurs when the conclusion of an argument is used as a premise of that same argument; i.e., the premises would not work if the conclusion weren't already assumed to be true.
Your response to me of "the passion, death and resurrection" of Jesus assumes that Christianity must be true because Jesus could not have fulfilled the scriptural prophecies otherwise; but there is no logical reason to suppose this. It simply validates what you, as a Christian, have been taught to believe.
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Post by Vegas on Sept 18, 2018 22:50:48 GMT
And stop taking cues from vegas, that simply makes you sound silly.
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Post by Stammerhead on Sept 18, 2018 23:02:25 GMT
gozzy, gozzy, gozzy:
You will never understand a thing. Your narrow-minded way is, if you do not "get it", it therefore does not exist.
Stick to comics. Ahah, someone who doesn't understand comics.
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Post by clusium on Sept 18, 2018 23:16:28 GMT
I know what a circular argument is, Goz. I was asking why my answer was circular. Circular reasoning is a logical fallacy that occurs when the conclusion of an argument is used as a premise of that same argument; i.e., the premises would not work if the conclusion weren't already assumed to be true.
Your response to me of "the passion, death and resurrection" of Jesus assumes that Christianity must be true because Jesus could not have fulfilled the scriptural prophecies otherwise; but there is no logical reason to suppose this. It simply validates what you, as a Christian, have been taught to believe.
That's correct. Jesus Fulfilled the Scriptures which said that the Lord Would Suffer. Eg: Psalm 22; Isaiah 52; and Wisdom 2 (not included in Protestant Scriptures).
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Post by Terrapin Station on Sept 18, 2018 23:23:25 GMT
Circular reasoning is a logical fallacy that occurs when the conclusion of an argument is used as a premise of that same argument; i.e., the premises would not work if the conclusion weren't already assumed to be true.
Your response to me of "the passion, death and resurrection" of Jesus assumes that Christianity must be true because Jesus could not have fulfilled the scriptural prophecies otherwise; but there is no logical reason to suppose this. It simply validates what you, as a Christian, have been taught to believe.
That's correct. Jesus Fulfilled the Scriptures which said that the Lord Would Suffer. Eg: Psalm 22; Isaiah 52; and Wisdom 2 (not included in Protestant Scriptures). In other words, you were asked, "Exactly, so what precisely defines Christianity[, with its doctrines of the divine metaphysical truth of Jesus' passion, death and resurrection,] as being anything other than simply another human-created religious system, no more or less fallible than any other?" Your response was, "[The divine metaphysical truth of] Jesus' passion, death and resurrection." But that's obviously circular. You're supposed to be supporting the claim that P, but your support is the very same claim that P. That's the definition of circularity.
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Post by goz on Sept 18, 2018 23:24:22 GMT
Circular reasoning is a logical fallacy that occurs when the conclusion of an argument is used as a premise of that same argument; i.e., the premises would not work if the conclusion weren't already assumed to be true.
Your response to me of "the passion, death and resurrection" of Jesus assumes that Christianity must be true because Jesus could not have fulfilled the scriptural prophecies otherwise; but there is no logical reason to suppose this. It simply validates what you, as a Christian, have been taught to believe.
That's correct. Jesus Fulfilled the Scriptures which said that the Lord Would Suffer. Eg: Psalm 22; Isaiah 52; and Wisdom 2 (not included in Protestant Scriptures).
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Post by geode on Sept 19, 2018 8:15:09 GMT
Circular reasoning is a logical fallacy that occurs when the conclusion of an argument is used as a premise of that same argument; i.e., the premises would not work if the conclusion weren't already assumed to be true.
Your response to me of "the passion, death and resurrection" of Jesus assumes that Christianity must be true because Jesus could not have fulfilled the scriptural prophecies otherwise; but there is no logical reason to suppose this. It simply validates what you, as a Christian, have been taught to believe.
That's correct. Jesus Fulfilled the Scriptures which said that the Lord Would Suffer. Eg: Psalm 22; Isaiah 52; and Wisdom 2 (not included in Protestant Scriptures). And yet most First Century people who held to the existing scriptures did not think Jesus was the prophesized Messiah. They did not think he fulfilled prophecy even though His passion, death and resurrection was a matter of current events with eyewitnesses still living. How is this evidence now the iron-clad proof you are assuming it to be 2,000 years later? This remains a matter of faith. Religions other than Christianity have adherents that accept them as correct because of similar faith in different religious figures or concepts.
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Post by geode on Sept 19, 2018 11:19:24 GMT
amyghost You should learn to mind your own business. Goz does your accusation to everyone. It is only fair that I return her favor.
OK, whose sock are you? Which froot loop are you? You responded to the second part? At least I understood the meaning of that. The use of English in the first part is so ambiguous that I can't derive the meaning.
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Post by amyghost on Sept 19, 2018 11:53:20 GMT
Circular reasoning is a logical fallacy that occurs when the conclusion of an argument is used as a premise of that same argument; i.e., the premises would not work if the conclusion weren't already assumed to be true.
Your response to me of "the passion, death and resurrection" of Jesus assumes that Christianity must be true because Jesus could not have fulfilled the scriptural prophecies otherwise; but there is no logical reason to suppose this. It simply validates what you, as a Christian, have been taught to believe.
That's correct. Jesus Fulfilled the Scriptures which said that the Lord Would Suffer. Eg: Psalm 22; Isaiah 52; and Wisdom 2 (not included in Protestant Scriptures). Clearly you're not getting the point of this whole 'circular logic' thing, which suggests you've been marinating your brain in it for far too many years.
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Post by amyghost on Sept 19, 2018 11:54:04 GMT
amyghost You should learn to mind your own business. Goz does your accusation to everyone. It is only fair that I return her favor.
OK, whose sock are you? Which froot loop are you? I could have asked her the same thing--she's beginning to sound uncannily like friend vegas.
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