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Post by goz on Sept 24, 2018 20:34:06 GMT
Unsurprisingly, this is a biased article that doesn't offer any evidence for the resurrection of Jesus. Thomas was probably smarter than the intended audience of this article. Further evidence of the Christian ( Catholics are one of the best exponents) circular reasoning. ie" We believe this is a true relic of the death and resurrection of Christ because we believe the death and resurrection of Christ so this is proof of what we believe." Further, the fact that there was claimed to be a resurrection MAY be unique to Christianity however this is irrelevant to whether it or any other religion are 'true'. In fact just pure man made nonsense all around. To even postulate that your religion is superior to any other let alone the only true religion on the basis of an unproven event thousands of years ago is ridiculous. Circular reasoning at its finest. It is true because we believe it to be true.
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Post by amyghost on Sept 24, 2018 22:27:57 GMT
That's the gist of it. When confronted with a point-blank, plain question regarding scriptural inconsistencies or self-evident logical fallacies, out comes the word salad and the usual 'so-and-so wasn't really defending the literal truth of the bible, and never said they were a believer anyway'--even though the thrust of most of their posts pretty clearly points to their being one. And then there's the tried and true formula of spray painting a heavy coat of Divine Mystery over the subject, because of course you ignorant non-believers aren't capable of getting any of this anyway. And if the listener doesn't buy into that, well, they're just going to take their ball and go home . If they keep the enigma alive and well, that them gives them an out to explain away why it is all so complex and mysterious. Bully for us for not having what they have. I guess their ignorance gives new meaning to bliss. I guess that ball of phony belief must be pretty precious.
That's one of the more intriguing inconsistencies of the myth--many Christians like to say that God's word and the teachings of his 'son' are so wonderfully plain and self-evident that the truth of them is accessible to one and all. Yet, this same wonderful 'truth' suddenly becomes the ultimate riddle wrapped inside an enigma, enshrouded by a mystery when they're questioned closely about the innumerable logic fails that keep cropping up in this perfect and inerrant truth. One would think that this state of affairs would alert all but the most cretinous to the idea that there's a pretty heavy-duty sham of some sort taking place, and yet many non-cretinous sorts are still completely credulous to it.
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Post by amyghost on Sept 24, 2018 22:32:11 GMT
OMG, that bastion of unbiased journalistic integrity known as The National Review is pimping another tired and discredited Shroud of Turin hoax. Maybe they can resurrect Bill Buckley as well, so he can put his solid-gold imprimatur on this earth shattering news story. With this one, The National Review has just revealed that they really are aiming at pretty much the same demographic as The National Enquirer.
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Post by Arlon10 on Sept 24, 2018 23:27:28 GMT
Are people typically kind enough not to tell you that you're as boring as you are bored? Maybe you could try reading books. Yes, I do get bored with your nonsense. I doubt it would be the books you recommend Arlon. Are you referring to the bible?
I didn't recommend any books or even broad categories. What books do you like?
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Post by maya55555 on Sept 25, 2018 3:39:54 GMT
amyghost
So if the provenance of the article and the topic of that article are not on your "radar", you will simply trash it all, carte blanche.
I was waiting for this bias. You will slam down anything that I can use as proof of the Resurrection.
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Post by maya55555 on Sept 25, 2018 19:42:24 GMT
PHLUDOWIN
It is so comforting to know that we are able to post with such highly intelligent people as yourself.
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Post by amyghost on Sept 25, 2018 20:42:07 GMT
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Post by amyghost on Sept 25, 2018 20:43:43 GMT
PHLUDOWIN
It is so comforting to know that we are able to post with such highly intelligent people as yourself. Gee Maya, that sounds like an implied smackdown of Thomas on your part. Might want to watch the poor-mouthing Jesus' followers, hon. I don't think he'd like that.
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Post by phludowin on Sept 25, 2018 21:21:04 GMT
PHLUDOWIN It is so comforting to know that we are able to post with such highly intelligent people as yourself. I don't know about "highly intelligent", but intelligent enough to read the article and notice that it does not provide any evidence for a resurrection.
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Post by amyghost on Sept 27, 2018 11:49:16 GMT
That's one of the more intriguing inconsistencies of the myth--many Christians like to say that God's word and the teachings of his 'son' are so wonderfully plain and self-evident that the truth of them is accessible to one and all. Yet, this same wonderful 'truth' suddenly becomes the ultimate riddle wrapped inside an enigma, enshrouded by a mystery when they're questioned closely about the innumerable logic fails that keep cropping up in this perfect and inerrant truth. One would think that this state of affairs would alert all but the most cretinous to the idea that there's a pretty heavy-duty sham of some sort taking place, and yet many non-cretinous sorts are still completely credulous to it.They are just fearful and are afraid of burning hell. It's sad and deluded, but what can one do to convince them otherwise? One's cretinous and precious beliefs are just their own demons they will have to deal with. Fear of eternal damnation has certainly been a major component in all of this foofaraw. It doesn't help that we poor mortals also seem to be psychologically--maybe even neurally--hard-wired to be predisposed to, and love, the mysterious. For many, few things will lend more of an air of attraction, and even a strange sort of credibility, to the biggest load of nonsense than by tying it up in a 'mystic' and 'spiritual' package with the big pink bow of eternity on top.
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Post by maya55555 on Sept 29, 2018 1:00:52 GMT
toasted cheese
I DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE RESURRECTION REALLY IS? Elaborate.
PS...I assume you do know, eh?
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Post by maya55555 on Sept 29, 2018 6:09:45 GMT
toasted cheese
I am proud to be a Roman Catholic. Your charitable offer overwhelms me. As I have posted this before, that I majored in Chemistry/Physics, therefore I fully understand the findings of STURP and any other research group engaged in independent study.
I doubt it that you could understand ANY report.
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Post by amyghost on Sept 29, 2018 13:33:24 GMT
toasted cheese
I DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE RESURRECTION REALLY IS? Elaborate.
PS...I assume you do know, eh?
You don't know 'what it really is' either, unless you were there. You're going by accounts that were written, at the earliest, forty years after the events described, i.e. the gospel of Mark. There were no eyewitnesses involved in writing the accounts, so your knowledge of it is limited to sources originating well afterwards, and which--if for no other reason than the distortions creeping into the story over a lengthy time span--are not exact history themselves.
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Post by amyghost on Sept 29, 2018 13:35:48 GMT
toasted cheese
I am proud to be a Roman Catholic. Your charitable offer overwhelms me. As I have posted this before, that I majored in Chemistry/Physics, therefore I fully understand the findings of STURP and any other research group engaged in independent study.
I doubt it that you could understand ANY report.
Why could he not understand it? Because any understanding of this subject has to be predicated in belief in the subject first? Yet you claim to have majored in a scientific subject, and prattle on about 'independent' study. Hmmnnn....
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Post by maya55555 on Sept 29, 2018 14:41:43 GMT
anyghost
That generalized statement could be said about anyone who has had an education. History Majors? All fields?
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Post by amyghost on Sept 30, 2018 13:32:59 GMT
anyghost
That generalized statement could be said about anyone who has had an education. History Majors? All fields?
So why are you behaving as if you have some unique insight into the Resurrection myth that Toasted Cheese doesn't, apart from the fact that you appear to think that his being an unbeliever means he can't have any understanding of it at all? Your source of 'understanding', as far as written texts goes, is no greater or different than his, or anyone else's here.
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