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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2018 11:33:42 GMT
What do you mean by personal or impersonal?
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Post by shadrack on Sept 20, 2018 14:25:23 GMT
What do you mean by personal or impersonal? personal = interested in the lives of humans (Yahweh) impersonal = disinterested in or unaware of humans, or interested only in a detached, academic manner (in the same way a researcher is "interested" in lab mice). When people say things like "God is Nature", "God is Energy", "God is the Universe", "God is Us and we are God", they're describing an impersonal god. ... or at least that's how I understand it. |
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Post by thefleetsin on Sept 20, 2018 14:41:30 GMT
i believe there are loads of people who somehow feel left out in life and god is a convenient way for them to get even. if you wish to take that personally, that's up to you.
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Post by Aj_June on Sept 20, 2018 15:13:02 GMT
What do you mean by personal or impersonal? personal = interested in the lives of humans (Yahweh) impersonal = disinterested in or unaware of humans, or interested only in a detached, academic manner (in the same way a researcher is "interested" in lab mice). When people say things like "God is Nature", "God is Energy", "God is the Universe", "God is Us and we are God", they're describing an impersonal god. ... or at least that's how I understand it. Your understanding is along the correct lines.
Gods like Jesus, Krishna and Allah would be personal gods. They influence the world as it exists in some way and have personal characteristics such as kindness, goodness etc (qualities as alleged by their followers; some over excited person please don't start a debate that they are not).
The impersonal god would be the pantheistic god. Popularly the "Brahman" of Vedanta or collective all of other eastern concepts. Who is changeless, exists alone and has no personal qualities like goodness and kindness.
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Sept 20, 2018 15:53:20 GMT
personal = interested in the lives of humans (Yahweh) impersonal = disinterested in or unaware of humans, or interested only in a detached, academic manner (in the same way a researcher is "interested" in lab mice). When people say things like "God is Nature", "God is Energy", "God is the Universe", "God is Us and we are God", they're describing an impersonal god. ... or at least that's how I understand it. Your understanding is along the correct lines.
Gods like Jesus, Krishna and Allah would be personal gods. They influence the world as it exists in some way and have personal characteristics such as kindness, goodness etc (qualities as alleged by their followers; some over excited person please don't start a debate that they are not).
The impersonal god would be the pantheistic god. Popularly the "Brahman" of Vedanta or collective all of other eastern concepts. Who is changeless, exists alone and has no personal qualities like goodness and kindness.
That reminds me of a quotation by Albert Einstein: "It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal god and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious, then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it." |
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Post by Aj_June on Sept 20, 2018 15:58:32 GMT
Your understanding is along the correct lines.
Gods like Jesus, Krishna and Allah would be personal gods. They influence the world as it exists in some way and have personal characteristics such as kindness, goodness etc (qualities as alleged by their followers; some over excited person please don't start a debate that they are not).
The impersonal god would be the pantheistic god. Popularly the "Brahman" of Vedanta or collective all of other eastern concepts. Who is changeless, exists alone and has no personal qualities like goodness and kindness.
That reminds me of a quotation by Albert Einstein: "It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal god and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious, then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it." People do have habit of twisting the quotes from famous people. Sadly many of the quotes of scientists have been often taken out of context and interpreted in the wrong sense. This thing applies to all walks of life though. |
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Sept 20, 2018 16:15:48 GMT
That reminds me of a quotation by Albert Einstein: "It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal god and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious, then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it." People do have habit of twisting the quotes from famous people. Sadly many of the quotes of scientists have been often taken out of context and interpreted in the wrong sense. This thing applies to all walks of life though. I like this one by Carl Sagan: "Some people think of god as an out-sized, light-skinned male with a long white beard, sitting on a throne somewhere up there in the sky, busily tallying the fall of every sparrow. Others - for example, Baruch Spinoza and Albert Einstein - considered god to be essentially the sum total of the physical laws which describe the universe. I do not know of any compelling evidence for anthropomorphic patriarchs controlling human destiny from some hidden celestial vantage point, but it would be madness to deny the existence of physical laws." |
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Post by Winter_King on Sept 20, 2018 16:27:40 GMT
I think that an impersonal God would be more likely to exist than a personal one.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2018 16:34:28 GMT
What do you mean by personal or impersonal? personal = interested in the lives of humans (Yahweh) impersonal = disinterested in or unaware of humans, or interested only in a detached, academic manner (in the same way a researcher is "interested" in lab mice). When people say things like "God is Nature", "God is Energy", "God is the Universe", "God is Us and we are God", they're describing an impersonal god. ... or at least that's how I understand it. Hmm. Well if there is a god then I suppose it could be either one. I'll say that if god is a thinking entity of some sort, I doubt it would be much interested in humans beyond idle curiosity. Or maybe the way a scientist is interested in a lab rat. |
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Post by Aj_June on Sept 20, 2018 16:35:34 GMT
I think that an impersonal God would be more likely to exist than a personal one. There's not any proof of either. But there are evidences that tends to discredit existence of personal gods. But there aren't many evidences that tends to discredit impersonal god. That said impersonal god's definition is often stretched to the point of noting it as nature or energy. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Sept 20, 2018 17:40:29 GMT
Personal
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Post by thefleetsin on Sept 20, 2018 19:02:31 GMT
either that or the good ship lollipop
at this juncture in time
with the military industrial hierarchy's pretending
they've
committed no crime
i'd rather have
the good ship lollipop
over
the battle hymn of the republic
any old time.
sjw 09/20/18 inspired at this very moment in time by: please.
from the 'banal series' of poems
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Post by mslo79 on Sept 21, 2018 23:58:36 GMT
God exists. He(Jesus Christ) died on the cross about 2000 years ago so that we have a chance to enter Heaven with Him after death here on earth. so for Him to go through that level of suffering, just shows you how much He cares for us  p.s. it's funny how people will believe just about everything else besides that truth. |
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Post by permutojoe on Sept 22, 2018 13:47:34 GMT
This. Per Neil deGrasse Tyson we are literally made of star dust. Between this and the sheer magnificence and mystery of the universe, why the hell would anyone need a creator deity who demands complete deference and submission like some ancient history monarch.
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Post by OpiateOfTheMasses on Sept 22, 2018 16:08:38 GMT
If God is a personal God then he obviously hates a lot of humanity because he has the power to improve people's lives but doesn't. The only explanation would be an impersonal one.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Sept 22, 2018 16:14:14 GMT
If he exists he's given no real indication of being an interventional god, so I suppose an non-interventional "deist" type god would be more plausible. Not that I think the concept of god is particulalry plausible in general.
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Post by politicidal on Sept 23, 2018 19:58:54 GMT
He's not going to be holding your hand. He's got shit to do.
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Post by goz on Sept 25, 2018 23:41:17 GMT
What makes you think that and what evidence do you have in support other than the circular argument of 'I believe in God because the Bible/God says he is real'? |
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Post by goz on Sept 25, 2018 23:42:19 GMT
God exists. He(Jesus Christ) died on the cross about 2000 years ago so that we have a chance to enter Heaven with Him after death here on earth. so for Him to go through that level of suffering, just shows you how much He cares for us p.s. it's funny how people will believe just about everything else besides that truth. 'What makes you think that and what evidence do you have in support other than the circular argument of 'I believe in God because the Bible/God says he is real'?' How do you know it is the 'truth'? |
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Post by Eλευθερί on Sept 26, 2018 0:02:04 GMT
God exists. He(Jesus Christ) died on the cross about 2000 years ago so that we have a chance to enter Heaven with Him after death here on earth. so for Him to go through that level of suffering, just shows you how much He cares for us p.s. it's funny how people will believe just about everything else besides that truth. God exists. The reason She doesn't respond directly to your prayers is that She doesn't like you. She has Her favorites, and you're not one of them. |
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