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Post by charzhino on Sept 28, 2018 8:07:29 GMT
I found that poll now, it was on my phone's YouTube feed. So the question was "What did you all think of the Dark Phoenix trailer?" Out of 162,000 votes the results were... Loved it - 18% Hated it - 8% Eh, it was fine - 74% So yeah not such a good response. How is majority of people saying its fine, now means a negative/not such a good response in your world?
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Post by summers8 on Sept 28, 2018 8:54:45 GMT
Dont take my word for it watch the 2 trailers again. Sophie crying in the rain for 1 second is more emotion than zombie Danvers in her whole trailer. Maybe it's intentional. Acting wise between the two, I'd go with Brie Larson who has won an Oscar for her previous work. She was interviewed and said that she brought the same level of dramatic acting to Captain Marvel as any other film she's done. Um, remember when you said you did not care about Oscars? lol. mcu fans are funny. so much lies. that's the thing with actors. brie is a good actor but the mcu script is failing her. that is why most are not going with her and saying she sucks, sophie is a decent actor but if she has a better script, she will out do brie. oh, you see for me I do care about Oscars when people are nominated and win for merit. not like trying to buy the awards or politics. as said, mcu is finished. a kinberg movie looks better than captian marvel. sophie looks better than brie. ouch
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Post by summers8 on Sept 28, 2018 9:00:48 GMT
I found that poll now, it was on my phone's YouTube feed. So the question was "What did you all think of the Dark Phoenix trailer?" Out of 162,000 votes the results were... Loved it - 18% Hated it - 8% Eh, it was fine - 74% So yeah not such a good response. Mirrors my take on Dark Phoenix and Captain Marvel trailers. The shitty thing is I really want to love both of them. There isn't too much there in either to like, let alone love. as a fan you have to know when to be a real critic too. it was my love for marvel that made me reject the Disney garbage influence and mcu nonsense it is my love for xmen that made me also say, this movie should never have happened. I don't care about captain marvel but clearly mcu fans should accept the trailer was awful with no saving grace. this xmen still has mcvoy and fassbender and that is always a plus.
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Post by Vassaggo on Sept 28, 2018 9:11:51 GMT
Mirrors my take on Dark Phoenix and Captain Marvel trailers. The shitty thing is I really want to love both of them. There isn't too much there in either to like, let alone love. as a fan you have to know when to be a real critic too. it was my love for marvel that made me reject the Disney garbage influence and mcu nonsense it is my love for xmen that made me also say, this movie should never have happened. I don't care about captain marvel but clearly mcu fans should accept the trailer was awful with no saving grace. this xmen still has mcvoy and fassbender and that is always a plus. Magneto calling Charles out on his speeches and the anguish in Proffessor X's voice when he says "I protected her" were the highlights. In Captain Marvel the falling down montage at different points in her life just to stand back up and the quiet resolve in Fury's delivery of "I was going to hang it up, till I met you today" was the highlight in that trailer. 2 things for each is not good.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Sept 28, 2018 12:54:51 GMT
I found that poll now, it was on my phone's YouTube feed. So the question was "What did you all think of the Dark Phoenix trailer?" Out of 162,000 votes the results were... Loved it - 18% Hated it - 8% Eh, it was fine - 74% So yeah not such a good response. How is majority of people saying its fine, now means a negative/not such a good response in your world? It’s just not impressive.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Sept 28, 2018 12:57:56 GMT
More 'meh' reactions and a lot that I agree with. "Show me the Jean/Scott relationship so I buy into it, don't just tell me it developed over this next decade jump." "Oh hey look, Jean Grey is the Phoenix now instead of building up our relationship with her to care about her." I do get annoyed anytime somebody says Sophie Turner is a good actress though as I just think they're lying because I can't possibly believe anyone can believe that. Jean became Phoenix 10 issues into Claremont’s run though and before that Jean was a one-dimensional underdeveloped character. She didn’t get a backstory until after she died.
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Post by bud47 on Sept 28, 2018 14:16:27 GMT
Maybe it's intentional. Acting wise between the two, I'd go with Brie Larson who has won an Oscar for her previous work. She was interviewed and said that she brought the same level of dramatic acting to Captain Marvel as any other film she's done. Um, remember when you said you did not care about Oscars? lol. mcu fans are funny. so much lies. that's the thing with actors. brie is a good actor but the mcu script is failing her. that is why most are not going with her and saying she sucks, sophie is a decent actor but if she has a better script, she will out do brie. oh, you see for me I do care about Oscars when people are nominated and win for merit. not like trying to buy the awards or politics. as said, mcu is finished. a kinberg movie looks better than captian marvel. sophie looks better than brie. ouchI don't care about the Oscars. But comparing the resumes of both actresses, Brie is more accomplished. You already decided to hate Captain Marvel before the film was even made. So your biased opinion means nothing to anyone. At this point, if Meryl Streep were to act in an MCU movie versus a WWE Diva "acting" in a Fox-Men movie, you'd probably say the WWE Diva is the better actress.
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Post by scabab on Sept 28, 2018 17:09:16 GMT
How is majority of people saying its fine, now means a negative/not such a good response in your world? Well it needs to be more than that. This movie is a sequel to a movie that saw a big financial drop off from the last and had a mixed response. This one is already expected to make even less money on the Box Office forums. Trailers are meant to get people to want to see the movie and here, the overwhelming majority just think the trailer is "fine". People aren't going to rush out to see a movie like that.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Oct 1, 2018 12:45:04 GMT
I think I might skip this one, I'm tired of the same arcs featuring the same boring characters. The X-Men whine too much, they always have. Cheers to the Fox X-Men franchise quietly dying off.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Oct 1, 2018 14:52:00 GMT
I think I might skip this one, I'm tired of the same arcs featuring the same boring characters. The X-Men whine too much, they always have. Cheers to the Fox X-Men franchise quietly dying off. You know they are just going to whine in the MCU, right? It’s an inherit aspect of them.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Oct 1, 2018 16:34:09 GMT
He didn't say anything about the MCU. If I read Rey Kahuka's comment correctly, he expressed fatigue with the current franchise and wished it a quiet send-off. The X-Men will "whine" in almost any context you put them in. The X-Men are dead, long live the X-Men.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Oct 1, 2018 16:40:57 GMT
He didn't say anything about the MCU. If I read Rey Kahuka 's comment correctly, he expressed fatigue with the current franchise and wished it a quiet send-off. The X-Men will "whine" in almost any context you put them in. The X-Men are dead, long live the X-Men. Correct, I'm happy to see the Fox version fade away. But you guys are both right, the X-Men have always been whiners, it's why I was never that into them when I read comics. Hopefully Feige can at least allow them to have a little fun, and not repeat the same storyline 15 films in a row. What are the odds Magneto and Xavier have a reconciliation at the end of this one and go their separate ways? There's uninspired and then there's the Fox X-Men franchise. If it wasn't for bad ideas, they'd have no new ideas at all.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Oct 1, 2018 17:05:51 GMT
He didn't say anything about the MCU. If I read Rey Kahuka 's comment correctly, he expressed fatigue with the current franchise and wished it a quiet send-off. The X-Men will "whine" in almost any context you put them in. The X-Men are dead, long live the X-Men. Correct, I'm happy to see the Fox version fade away. But you guys are both right, the X-Men have always been whiners, it's why I was never that into them when I read comics. Hopefully Feige can at least allow them to have a little fun, and not repeat the same storyline 15 films in a row. What are the odds Magneto and Xavier have a reconciliation at the end of this one and go their separate ways? There's uninspired and then there's the Fox X-Men franchise. If it wasn't for bad ideas, they'd have no new ideas at all. Fun, in the strictest sense, might be hard to pull off for the X-Men... Fox has always gone straight for the jugular with the X-Men with huge, event-driven storylines. One could argue that after they'd strip-mined the biggest and most well-known X-Men stories, they'd painted themselves into a corner where they'd either be forced to repeat themselves or start in with crossovers (i.e., some of the more shlocky multi-issue events from the 90s). There are plenty of superb character pieces in the X-Men library that don't necessarily involve world-ending stakes. If Kevin can make smaller X-Men films that explore a character (other than Wolverine, Xavier, Magneto or Mystique) in depth, he might be able to show movie-going audiences another side of the characters.
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Post by Skaathar on Oct 1, 2018 17:11:11 GMT
Fox doesn't deserve a property like the X-men. They've been completely wasting their potential. I'm glad to see their hold on it coming to an end.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Oct 1, 2018 17:35:08 GMT
Correct, I'm happy to see the Fox version fade away. But you guys are both right, the X-Men have always been whiners, it's why I was never that into them when I read comics. Hopefully Feige can at least allow them to have a little fun, and not repeat the same storyline 15 films in a row. What are the odds Magneto and Xavier have a reconciliation at the end of this one and go their separate ways? There's uninspired and then there's the Fox X-Men franchise. If it wasn't for bad ideas, they'd have no new ideas at all. Fun, in the strictest sense, might be hard to pull off for the X-Men... Fox has always gone straight for the jugular with the X-Men with huge, event-driven storylines. One could argue that after they'd strip-mined the biggest and most well-known X-Men stories, they'd painted themselves into a corner where they'd either be forced to repeat themselves or start in with crossovers (i.e., some of the more shlocky multi-issue events from the 90s). There are plenty of superb character pieces in the X-Men library that don't necessarily involve world-ending stakes. If Kevin can make smaller X-Men films that explore a character (other than Wolverine, Xavier, Magneto or Mystique) in depth, he might be able to show movie-going audiences another side of the characters. And they've done such a poor job translating those stories to the screen. Go back and read the Dark Phoenix saga and then watch X3 or this trailer. It's a joke, the scripts are devoid of the best parts of the story. Most damning is the fact that unlike the comics, you cannot invest in these characters. Stakes aren't created by the plot, but by how much the audience cares about the characters involved. Why are the characters in these films always so wooden? It's as if the movie itself is written with the same philosophy they use to make the trailers: Somebody yells dramatically and unleashes a mutant power, rinse, repeat. There is virtually no effort to add depth to anyone other than Wolverine or Magneto. I guess what I meant by have fun is actually give the characters any personality beyond fitting the archetypal role assigned to them in whatever tired storyline they're rehashing this time. I couldn't have imagined a more generic trailer for Dark Phoenix. Hell, they even dumped it into February and still had to walk it back to June 2019 because they knew it would fail regardless. The constant postponement of the release date is a microcosm of the entire history of this franchise: This studio has no effing clue what to do with this property, they never have.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Oct 1, 2018 18:21:02 GMT
Fun, in the strictest sense, might be hard to pull off for the X-Men... Fox has always gone straight for the jugular with the X-Men with huge, event-driven storylines. One could argue that after they'd strip-mined the biggest and most well-known X-Men stories, they'd painted themselves into a corner where they'd either be forced to repeat themselves or start in with crossovers (i.e., some of the more shlocky multi-issue events from the 90s). There are plenty of superb character pieces in the X-Men library that don't necessarily involve world-ending stakes. If Kevin can make smaller X-Men films that explore a character (other than Wolverine, Xavier, Magneto or Mystique) in depth, he might be able to show movie-going audiences another side of the characters. And they've done such a poor job translating those stories to the screen. Go back and read the Dark Phoenix saga and then watch X3 or this trailer. It's a joke, the scripts are devoid of the best parts of the story. Most damning is the fact that unlike the comics, you cannot invest in these characters. Stakes aren't created by the plot, but by how much the audience cares about the characters involved. Why are the characters in these films always so wooden? It's as if the movie itself is written with the same philosophy they use to make the trailers: Somebody yells dramatically and unleashes a mutant power, rinse, repeat. There is virtually no effort to add depth to anyone other than Wolverine or Magneto. I guess what I meant by have fun is actually give the characters any personality beyond fitting the archetypal role assigned to them in whatever tired storyline they're rehashing this time. I couldn't have imagined a more generic trailer for Dark Phoenix. Hell, they even dumped it into February and still had to walk it back to June 2019 because they knew it would fail regardless. The constant postponement of the release date is a microcosm of the entire history of this franchise: This studio has no effing clue what to do with this property, they never have. The good thing about Fox's approach is that they have used some of the X-Men's most well known and iconic storylines as fodder for their machine. Marvel Studios will have no choice but to avoid these landmark stories for fear of being seen as imitators. I really do hope they start with the classic team as there is a lot of pathos in their debut that gets written off as too simplistic by modern-day, revisionist, hipster critics. Aren't we overdue for a summers8 rant by now? Hee hee hee...
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Post by bud47 on Oct 1, 2018 20:22:46 GMT
And they've done such a poor job translating those stories to the screen. Go back and read the Dark Phoenix saga and then watch X3 or this trailer. It's a joke, the scripts are devoid of the best parts of the story. Most damning is the fact that unlike the comics, you cannot invest in these characters. Stakes aren't created by the plot, but by how much the audience cares about the characters involved. Why are the characters in these films always so wooden? It's as if the movie itself is written with the same philosophy they use to make the trailers: Somebody yells dramatically and unleashes a mutant power, rinse, repeat. There is virtually no effort to add depth to anyone other than Wolverine or Magneto. I guess what I meant by have fun is actually give the characters any personality beyond fitting the archetypal role assigned to them in whatever tired storyline they're rehashing this time. I couldn't have imagined a more generic trailer for Dark Phoenix. Hell, they even dumped it into February and still had to walk it back to June 2019 because they knew it would fail regardless. The constant postponement of the release date is a microcosm of the entire history of this franchise: This studio has no effing clue what to do with this property, they never have. The good thing about Fox's approach is that they have used some of the X-Men's most well known and iconic storylines as fodder for their machine. Marvel Studios will have no choice but to avoid these landmark stories for fear of being seen as imitators. I really do hope they start with the classic team as there is a lot of pathos in their debut that gets written off as too simplistic by modern-day, revisionist, hipster critics. Aren't we overdue for a summers8 rant by now? Hee hee hee... I can usually get him going. Fox-Men sucks! Now wait for his response...
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Oct 1, 2018 23:11:31 GMT
And they've done such a poor job translating those stories to the screen. Go back and read the Dark Phoenix saga and then watch X3 or this trailer. Much of the stuff in the trailer is from the Dark Phoenix Saga, dude. ![](http://i.imgur.com/WZJ9MfA.jpg) ![](http://i.imgur.com/zXDIvlm.jpg) ![](http://i.imgur.com/mqELnXY.jpg) I think you meant be confusing it with another Phoenix story. Quicksilver isn’t a fun character to you? The last three movies have heavily focused on Xavier, dude. You’re very misinformed.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2018 0:49:42 GMT
And they've done such a poor job translating those stories to the screen. Go back and read the Dark Phoenix saga and then watch X3 or this trailer. Much of the stuff in the trailer is from the Dark Phoenix Saga, dude. ![](http://i.imgur.com/WZJ9MfA.jpg) ![](http://i.imgur.com/zXDIvlm.jpg) ![](http://i.imgur.com/mqELnXY.jpg) I think you meant be confusing it with another Phoenix story. Quicksilver isn’t a fun character to you? The last three movies have heavily focused on Xavier, dude. You’re very misinformed. No offense but if that's the opinion you're going to take then at least give better examples of comic/cartoon to trailer matches. Your choices were a lot of stretches. Oh hey, here Jean holds her head just like the cartoon!! Here is a shot of Cyclops, samesies!!! Here are a couple close up shots of Jean's face, ripped straight from the source material. I mean honestly these are a bit of a stretch.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Oct 2, 2018 3:54:01 GMT
Much of the stuff in the trailer is from the Dark Phoenix Saga, dude. ![](http://i.imgur.com/WZJ9MfA.jpg) ![](http://i.imgur.com/zXDIvlm.jpg) ![](http://i.imgur.com/mqELnXY.jpg) I think you meant be confusing it with another Phoenix story. Quicksilver isn’t a fun character to you? The last three movies have heavily focused on Xavier, dude. You’re very misinformed. No offense but if that's the opinion you're going to take then at least give better examples of comic/cartoon to trailer matches. Your choices were a lot of stretches. Oh hey, here Jean holds her head just like the cartoon!! Here is a shot of Cyclops, samesies!!! Here are a couple close up shots of Jean's face, ripped straight from the source material. I mean honestly these are a bit of a stretch. I’ll elaborate more. That scene in the trailer is a recreation of a the scene in Dark Phoenix where Jean goes back to her childhood home and battle the X-Men.
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