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Post by President Ackbar™ on Oct 30, 2018 20:05:22 GMT
Yeah, um, well, I admit that went through my head when I wrote it. As long as I didn’t write anything about only the Sith dealing in absolutes…—damn it!   |
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Post by Larcen26 on Oct 30, 2018 20:10:21 GMT
Homecoming is one of the single best movies Marvel has ever done. You seriously shouldn't judge it without seeing it. It's really fantastic on pretty much every level. LOL, I have seen it and it's one of the most forgettable films in recent memory.
What was the great idea behind this RE-REboot without any creative, fresh ideas except to give Spiderboy a generic Iron (Spider)Man suit (robbing him of his charm), forcing in the MCU-Avengers (and RDJ phoning it in for the check) or milfing-up Aunt May? This Reboot actually has Peter Parker as a teenager from the Bronx which none of the others have. Which is the cornerstone of the entire character. He's a kid. This is the only version in film that ACTUALLY does that. I agree that the over-teched suit isn't a great addition, but that becomes part of the character arc, and I was afraid that RDJ would be too present in it, but he is only there for a few scenes. And as for Aunt May, she isn't "Great Aunt" May, so if he is 16, Aunt may being in her late 40's/early 50's is far more accurate than even the comics version of her. There is a ton of character development for Peter. While he already knows with great power comes great responsibility, he learns in this film what Responsibility really means. The story is not possible to outline here without spoilers, but it is a coming of age teen movie AND an exploration in what creates a villain AND a Marvel Superhero movie all at the same time, without sacrificing any of the best parts of each. Memorable Set Pieces...I think the entire Washington Monument sequence and the end face off were extremely memorable. And I think the entire scene in the car before the dance was amazingly shot and acted, one of the best single scenes in any MCU film. Music was fine, but not spectacular, but aside from the overall "Avengers Theme" none of the MCU films are particularly amazing musically. Production Design was fine...nothing special, but more than most MCU (non-netflix) heroes, Spider-Man is meant to be in "our" world, so I wouldn't expect massive visual production design. It's a High School coming of age story... As with the original post...I disagree on essentially every level. |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Oct 30, 2018 20:11:00 GMT
LOL, I have seen it and it's one of the most forgettable films in recent memory.
What was the great idea behind this RE-REboot without any creative, fresh ideas except to give Spiderboy a generic Iron (Spider)Man suit (robbing him of his charm), forcing in the MCU-Avengers (and RDJ phoning it in for the check) or milfing-up Aunt May?
Where was the character development? Where was the story? Where the memorable set pieces? Where was the fresh music and production design?
It's marginally better than the other MCU films from that year - but that is not saying much. The textbook example of mediocrity. If that's your idea of "fantastic", with Fantastic4 as point of reference maybe...
This literally sounds like regurgitated lines from a Spider-Man Homecoming hate video. frankly, am not in the habit of watching MCU hate videos. But I think my spider sense had tingled if anybody would have put it the way I did - but if so, good for them as long as they do not use my trademark terms without royalties. Regardless, I do not "hate" this one for being derivative and mediocre, gave it a 5.5 or 6 I think. Mediocre is not bad. |
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Post by Nalkarj on Oct 30, 2018 20:18:46 GMT
This. This is my major problem here. I like a lot of the Marvel movies (not all of them, and I wouldn’t call myself an “MCU fan”), and I know you do too, Colden (contretemps with Raptor, Sam, et al. to one side…), but the conception here seems to be “you’re-either-with-us-or-against-us.” About a bunch of goofball superhero movies! I’ll never get that. (Admittedly, I don’t understand the attitude with any fandom—Star Wars, Indiana Jones, DC, slasher films, and anything else included.) It’s a ridiculous attitude to have in any case, but especially with these movies. That’s why I feel like I’m always commenting stuff that either doesn’t have to do with or critiques the MCU, because I’m forced to do so by the people who are madly obsessed with it and don’t tolerate dissenting opinions. I even liked Iron Man 2 and Iron Man 3. But who’d want to like Marvel movies with ranters and ravers casting everyone who has a mild criticism out into perdition? Jesus, do you morons even read your own posts? This thread, like every thread the troll OP starts, is nothing but a hate fest for the MCU. I do not care of you like the movies or not. I think a majority of the movies are very good. Are they The Godfather? No, but they are about as good as it gets for comic book films. The OP and others in this thread start hundreds of threads a week about how dumb and 'kiddie' the MCU is and praise everything Sony, Fox, and the DCEU has ever done, whether they see the movies or not. It gets tiring. Ah, so I’m a moron? And I’d thought you and I were making progress! We did have someone ( ArArArchStanton) argue that the MCU was better than The Godfather. Just to let you know. We have only three posters here who actively defend the DCEU (other than just Wonder Woman, or just Wonder Woman and Man of Steel): Tristan's Journal , DC-Fan , and (at times) lenlenlen1 . Of those three, DC-Fan likes trolling people and then writing, “I am not a troll.” I’ve been unable to figure out if he’s actually serious about what he writes. I like Wonder Woman, have defended Batman v Superman, and hated Man of Steel and Justice League. We have a few more people who defend the X-Men movies constantly. OK. We also have Häns Haferflöcken . He likes…um, dinosaurs? Anyway, moving on. Colden is Colden. I can assure you he doesn’t hate the MCU and think everything Sony, Fox, and the DCEU have ever done is great. That’s all I’ll say. But, if you don’t mind my saying so, it would probably be best if you lighten up. We have far more MCU fans here than DCEU fans—or, at least, our MCU fans are more absolutist. (I have criticized DC-Fan many, many, many, many, many times.) Their posts are often not trolling-efforts (DC-Fan), insane ramblings (Clinton), or jokes (um…well, figure it out). They tend to divide things more into a strict hierarchy, with the MCU greater than any other superhero movies. If you disagree, you’re an enemy. I despise that attitude, whether about something serious (politics) or something silly (sports, superhero flicks), and I react against it. |
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Post by Häns Haferflöcken on Oct 30, 2018 20:26:05 GMT
m hed hurt agin. .
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Post by Häns Haferflöcken on Oct 30, 2018 20:26:42 GMT
t dinos. yes.
im am no t a opa.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Oct 30, 2018 20:28:33 GMT
it absolutely should be. But if one lacks the artistic point of reference, musical education and analytical intelligence, then one is just pretentious, ancient noise and the other is sweet, sound harmony sung by an divine angel. If God exist he would be an "Belieber".
On a more basic level, I had the same discussion on this board with some folks who proactively claimed that films like Citizen Kane or Godfather are inferior to MCU movies.
Well. I went to my first opera ( Die Zauberflöte), at the Met in New York, when I was 10 or so, because of a school trip. They were trying to get us brats interested in high art, which went over about as we’ll as you’d expect it to (i.e., not at all). Then maybe two years later they brought us to another one, La Cenerentola. I didn’t particularly like that either. It was not until I finally saw Carmen that I developed a taste for opera, and I still enjoy it. (I’m still not a huge fan of La Cenerentola, but I like The Magic Flute.) With that said, it took me a long time to develop that taste, so I understand not liking opera. But with that said, I still knew the music I was listening to at the operas was superior to the awful pop music that blared on the radio, even at the ages of 10 and 12. I was an old soul even then, perhaps… lol, those are the gateway drug operas it seems. Magic flute was my first opera too (on DVD, helps that it's in German thus understandable for me, but got an English version too), but fell in love with Carmen first (French is beautiful regardless whether you understand it all)- it's basically a musical. To this day it amazes me that it originally flopped and only became the superhit after poor Bizet had died. First one I saw live was Puccini's Tosca, then a lot of Wagner, Strauß and Verdi. |
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Post by Larcen26 on Oct 30, 2018 20:32:56 GMT
Well. I went to my first opera ( Die Zauberflöte), at the Met in New York, when I was 10 or so, because of a school trip. They were trying to get us brats interested in high art, which went over about as we’ll as you’d expect it to (i.e., not at all). Then maybe two years later they brought us to another one, La Cenerentola. I didn’t particularly like that either. It was not until I finally saw Carmen that I developed a taste for opera, and I still enjoy it. (I’m still not a huge fan of La Cenerentola, but I like The Magic Flute.) With that said, it took me a long time to develop that taste, so I understand not liking opera. But with that said, I still knew the music I was listening to at the operas was superior to the awful pop music that blared on the radio, even at the ages of 10 and 12. I was an old soul even then, perhaps… lol, those are the gateway drug operas it seems. Magic flute was my first opera too (on DVD, helps that it's in German thus understandable for me, but got an English version too), but fell in love with Carmen first (French is beautiful regardless whether you understand it all)- it's basically a musical. To this day it amazes me that it originally flopped and only became the superhit after poor Bizet had died. First one I saw live was Puccini's Tosca, then a lot of Wagner, Strauß and Verdi. Have you seen Carmen Jones? Very interesting adaptation. But while Magic Flute and Carmen are both great entry level Operas, I usually suggest Boheme right afterwards... |
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Post by Nalkarj on Oct 30, 2018 20:34:08 GMT
Luckily, Tristan's Journal , I do know French, so I suppose that helped with Carmen (though, as you write, it’s beautiful whether you know it or not). “Basically a musical” is an excellent way to describe it—it’s such fun. I have to see some more Wagner live; as I mentioned before, I’m still a relative novice with opera. And Boston doesn’t have a proper opera company any more… (There is the Boston Lyric Opera, but it doesn’t even have its own opera house.) And I often hear worrying news about the Met. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2018 22:41:00 GMT
There he is! Threats of physical violence over jocular postings on an internet message board about movies based on comic books you didn't even read because you were too busy watching My Little Pony cartoons. This is precisely why we tricke -- er, invited you back. For this unique, hilarious perspective. FOR THE LULZ, mang. And here they come!!!!1 Relax, Felix, you'll give yourself skin failure. I'm going to be neutral Switzerland in the battle between you and Colden, but PLEASE don't channel FormerSam! God, I hated it when he used that skin failure line... |
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Post by Nalkarj on Oct 30, 2018 23:00:11 GMT
GIVE FORCEGHOSTACKBAR THE NEUTRALITY!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2018 23:02:03 GMT
Relax, Felix, you'll give yourself skin failure. I'm going to be neutral Switzerland in the battle between you and Colden, but PLEASE don't channel FormerSam! God, I hated it when he used that skin failure line... There is no more battle. I have Colden completely blocked now. I've even had Admin's newest feature that disallows me from seeing even his old topics activated. Because apparently the "Make this user's topics invisible" option wasn't thorough enough. |
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Post by Skaathar on Oct 30, 2018 23:27:43 GMT
Jesus, do you morons even read your own posts? This thread, like every thread the troll OP starts, is nothing but a hate fest for the MCU. I do not care of you like the movies or not. I think a majority of the movies are very good. Are they The Godfather? No, but they are about as good as it gets for comic book films. The OP and others in this thread start hundreds of threads a week about how dumb and 'kiddie' the MCU is and praise everything Sony, Fox, and the DCEU has ever done, whether they see the movies or not. It gets tiring. Ah, so I’m a moron? And I’d thought you and I were making progress! We did have someone ( ArArArchStanton ) argue that the MCU was better than The Godfather. Just to let you know. We have only three posters here who actively defend the DCEU (other than just Wonder Woman, or just Wonder Woman and Man of Steel): Tristan's Journal , DC-Fan , and (at times) lenlenlen1 . Of those three, DC-Fan likes trolling people and then writing, “I am not a troll.” I’ve been unable to figure out if he’s actually serious about what he writes. I like Wonder Woman, have defended Batman v Superman, and hated Man of Steel and Justice League. We have a few more people who defend the X-Men movies constantly. OK. We also have Häns Haferflöcken . He likes…um, dinosaurs? Anyway, moving on. Colden is Colden. I can assure you he doesn’t hate the MCU and think everything Sony, Fox, and the DCEU have ever done is great. That’s all I’ll say. But, if you don’t mind my saying so, it would probably be best if you lighten up. We have far more MCU fans here than DCEU fans—or, at least, our MCU fans are more absolutist. (I have criticized DC-Fan many, many, many, many, many times.) Their posts are often not trolling-efforts (DC-Fan), insane ramblings (Clinton), or jokes (um…well, figure it out). They tend to divide things more into a strict hierarchy, with the MCU greater than any other superhero movies. If you disagree, you’re an enemy. I despise that attitude, whether about something serious (politics) or something silly (sports, superhero flicks), and I react against it. I think the term is not so much DCEU fans or DCEU defenders but more simply MCU haters. And I assure you, the MCU haters are far far more absolutist than the MCU fans here. DC Fan, Summers8, Tristan, Colden, Charzino, darkpast, etc. , they are far more extreme in their MCU hate than the MCU fans here are extreme in their MCU love. No MCU fan here, not even Weirdraptor, comes close to the kind of anti-MCU absolutism that's demonstrated by guys like DC Fan, Summers8 or Tristan. The only ones who could compare were Arch and Formersam and they're both gone. The only people who really stick with the "If you disagree, you're an enemy" mentality are the first 3 trolls mentioned earlier. Weirdraptor and King Kong Brady (even me at times) can be very defensive about the MCU but you have to consider that this is the MCU board and thus will obviously have people who'll defend the MCU. There have always, always been more anti-MCU trolls than there have been pro-MCU trolls, both in this board and the old IMDB one. |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Oct 30, 2018 23:49:23 GMT
I'm going to be neutral Switzerland in the battle between you and Colden, but PLEASE don't channel FormerSam! God, I hated it when he used that skin failure line... There is no more battle. I have Colden completely blocked now. I've even had Admin's newest feature that disallows me from seeing even his old topics activated. Because apparently the "Make this user's topics invisible" option wasn't thorough enough. So basically I won. |
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Post by DSDSquared on Oct 31, 2018 12:40:57 GMT
Jesus, do you morons even read your own posts? This thread, like every thread the troll OP starts, is nothing but a hate fest for the MCU. I do not care of you like the movies or not. I think a majority of the movies are very good. Are they The Godfather? No, but they are about as good as it gets for comic book films. The OP and others in this thread start hundreds of threads a week about how dumb and 'kiddie' the MCU is and praise everything Sony, Fox, and the DCEU has ever done, whether they see the movies or not. It gets tiring. Ah, so I’m a moron? And I’d thought you and I were making progress! We did have someone ( ArArArchStanton ) argue that the MCU was better than The Godfather. Just to let you know. We have only three posters here who actively defend the DCEU (other than just Wonder Woman, or just Wonder Woman and Man of Steel): Tristan's Journal , DC-Fan , and (at times) lenlenlen1 . Of those three, DC-Fan likes trolling people and then writing, “I am not a troll.” I’ve been unable to figure out if he’s actually serious about what he writes. I like Wonder Woman, have defended Batman v Superman, and hated Man of Steel and Justice League. We have a few more people who defend the X-Men movies constantly. OK. We also have Häns Haferflöcken . He likes…um, dinosaurs? Anyway, moving on. Colden is Colden. I can assure you he doesn’t hate the MCU and think everything Sony, Fox, and the DCEU have ever done is great. That’s all I’ll say. But, if you don’t mind my saying so, it would probably be best if you lighten up. We have far more MCU fans here than DCEU fans—or, at least, our MCU fans are more absolutist. (I have criticized DC-Fan many, many, many, many, many times.) Their posts are often not trolling-efforts (DC-Fan), insane ramblings (Clinton), or jokes (um…well, figure it out). They tend to divide things more into a strict hierarchy, with the MCU greater than any other superhero movies. If you disagree, you’re an enemy. I despise that attitude, whether about something serious (politics) or something silly (sports, superhero flicks), and I react against it. Every other thread on this board daily is an MCU bash thread about how horrible it is and how it is crashing and burning. Meanwhile, it is the most successful movie franchise out there besides maybe Star Wars. Arch is a troll too. These movies are not deep, but neither is just about any movie like this. The MCU does it better than anyone. Starting countless threads about how terrible Spiderman is and how the MCU somehow ruined the character when movies like TASM 2 and SM 3 exist is hilarious to me. It is simply trolling. Also, Colden and Power Ranger are just as bad as DC Fan most of the time so I am not sure what you are talking about. These same few posters troll these boards all day doing nothing but bashing the MCU. Can't anyone here be objective? I listed my three favorite super hero movies of all time. They are The Winter Soldier, The Dark Knight, and Days of Future Past. Three different studios. I do not care about the studios for the most part, but I know that if the MCU is making a movie and the DCEU is making a movie, there is a very good chance the MCU film is much better. They simply make more entertaining and better put together movies. The idiots in this thread refuse to like anything the MCU has ever done and it gets tiring. Who does it better? Who has a better track record with these types of films? Fox? Sure, they have some great films like X2 and Days of Future Past, but they also made Apocalypse and The Last Stand. Sony? Yes they have made some good ones too like Deadpool and Spiderman 1 and 2, but they have also made TONS of stinkers. The MCU has a few less than good films like Thor 2 and The Incredible Hulk, but even those films are at worst average. The studio has a history of making quality movies and it does not appear that this is changing anytime soon. If these posters hate the MCU so much and everything they do, then stop watching and commenting on their movies on a daily basis. |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Oct 31, 2018 14:00:49 GMT
Ah, so I’m a moron? And I’d thought you and I were making progress! We did have someone ( ArArArchStanton ) argue that the MCU was better than The Godfather. Just to let you know. We have only three posters here who actively defend the DCEU (other than just Wonder Woman, or just Wonder Woman and Man of Steel): Tristan's Journal , DC-Fan , and (at times) lenlenlen1 . Of those three, DC-Fan likes trolling people and then writing, “I am not a troll.” I’ve been unable to figure out if he’s actually serious about what he writes. I like Wonder Woman, have defended Batman v Superman, and hated Man of Steel and Justice League. We have a few more people who defend the X-Men movies constantly. OK. We also have Häns Haferflöcken . He likes…um, dinosaurs? Anyway, moving on. Colden is Colden. I can assure you he doesn’t hate the MCU and think everything Sony, Fox, and the DCEU have ever done is great. That’s all I’ll say. But, if you don’t mind my saying so, it would probably be best if you lighten up. We have far more MCU fans here than DCEU fans—or, at least, our MCU fans are more absolutist. (I have criticized DC-Fan many, many, many, many, many times.) Their posts are often not trolling-efforts (DC-Fan), insane ramblings (Clinton), or jokes (um…well, figure it out). They tend to divide things more into a strict hierarchy, with the MCU greater than any other superhero movies. If you disagree, you’re an enemy. I despise that attitude, whether about something serious (politics) or something silly (sports, superhero flicks), and I react against it. Every other thread on this board daily is an MCU bash thread about how horrible it is and how it is crashing and burning. Meanwhile, it is the most successful movie franchise out there besides maybe Star Wars. Arch is a troll too. These movies are not deep, but neither is just about any movie like this. The MCU does it better than anyone. Starting countless threads about how terrible Spiderman is and how the MCU somehow ruined the character when movies like TASM 2 and SM 3 exist is hilarious to me. It is simply trolling. Also, Colden and Power Ranger are just as bad as DC Fan most of the time so I am not sure what you are talking about. These same few posters troll these boards all day doing nothing but bashing the MCU. Can't anyone here be objective? I listed my three favorite super hero movies of all time. They are The Winter Soldier, The Dark Knight, and Days of Future Past. Three different studios. I do not care about the studios for the most part, but I know that if the MCU is making a movie and the DCEU is making a movie, there is a very good chance the MCU film is much better. They simply make more entertaining and better put together movies. The idiots in this thread refuse to like anything the MCU has ever done and it gets tiring. Who does it better? Who has a better track record with these types of films? Fox? Sure, they have some great films like X2 and Days of Future Past, but they also made Apocalypse and The Last Stand. Sony? Yes they have made some good ones too like Deadpool and Spiderman 1 and 2, but they have also made TONS of stinkers. The MCU has a few less than good films like Thor 2 and The Incredible Hulk, but even those films are at worst average. The studio has a history of making quality movies and it does not appear that this is changing anytime soon. If these posters hate the MCU so much and everything they do, then stop watching and commenting on their movies on a daily basis. |
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Post by DSDSquared on Oct 31, 2018 14:35:43 GMT
Every other thread on this board daily is an MCU bash thread about how horrible it is and how it is crashing and burning. Meanwhile, it is the most successful movie franchise out there besides maybe Star Wars. Arch is a troll too. These movies are not deep, but neither is just about any movie like this. The MCU does it better than anyone. Starting countless threads about how terrible Spiderman is and how the MCU somehow ruined the character when movies like TASM 2 and SM 3 exist is hilarious to me. It is simply trolling. Also, Colden and Power Ranger are just as bad as DC Fan most of the time so I am not sure what you are talking about. These same few posters troll these boards all day doing nothing but bashing the MCU. Can't anyone here be objective? I listed my three favorite super hero movies of all time. They are The Winter Soldier, The Dark Knight, and Days of Future Past. Three different studios. I do not care about the studios for the most part, but I know that if the MCU is making a movie and the DCEU is making a movie, there is a very good chance the MCU film is much better. They simply make more entertaining and better put together movies. The idiots in this thread refuse to like anything the MCU has ever done and it gets tiring. Who does it better? Who has a better track record with these types of films? Fox? Sure, they have some great films like X2 and Days of Future Past, but they also made Apocalypse and The Last Stand. Sony? Yes they have made some good ones too like Deadpool and Spiderman 1 and 2, but they have also made TONS of stinkers. The MCU has a few less than good films like Thor 2 and The Incredible Hulk, but even those films are at worst average. The studio has a history of making quality movies and it does not appear that this is changing anytime soon. If these posters hate the MCU so much and everything they do, then stop watching and commenting on their movies on a daily basis. Liking the movie or not is an opinion. Success of a movie is not. |
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