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Post by moviemouth on Oct 31, 2018 3:58:50 GMT
moviemouth There is horror and there is violence and gore for the sake of the exploitation of violence and gore and I still like you even though you do like these "icky" movies !  Plenty of other movies that we both like ….  None of the movies I mentioned are gore for the sake of gore, with maybe the exception of Texas Chainsaw Masscare. That movie is pure visceral horror and the gore isn't even the reason I like it. It is the skill of the filmmaking and the way Hooper puts the viewer into a nightmare beyond imagining. Halloween isn't even very violent and A Nightmare on Elm Street is very thematic and creative. Dealing with subconscious fear and the world of dreams and the sins of the parents put onto the children. I am NOT a fan of movies that are gore for the sake of gore and killing for the sake of killing. This is why I dislike the entire Friday the 13th franchise. It's just idiotic imo. But I still watch them, because I love watching movies even if I don't like them. |
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Post by moviemouth on Oct 31, 2018 3:59:39 GMT
That isn't what I meant. I mean required viewing for anyone who considers themselves a "movie buff." I think it is just it is hard for me to relate to movie fans who don't appreciate films from every decade and from every genre and sub-genre, and I get a certain irrational annoyance at people because of that. You can appreciate films from every decade, genre, sub-genre, etc. without having to see all the classics or stuff that is required viewing. I get your point, I just don't agree with it. Not having seen Halloween (1978) while saying you are a fan of every genre, is like me saying I am a fan of gangster movies and not having seen The Godfather. |
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Oct 31, 2018 4:00:37 GMT
moviemouth There is horror and there is violence and gore for the sake of the exploitation of violence and gore and I still like you even though you do like these "icky" movies ! Plenty of other movies that we both like …. Do you know how many gore scenes Halloween and The Texas Chainsaw Massacre have? Exactly zero. |
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Oct 31, 2018 4:02:14 GMT
moviemouth There is horror and there is violence and gore for the sake of the exploitation of violence and gore and I still like you even though you do like these "icky" movies ! Plenty of other movies that we both like …. None of the movies I mentioned are gore for the sake of gore, with maybe the exception of Texas Chainsaw Masscare. Nope. The Texas Chainsaw Massacre doesn’t have a single gore scene. |
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Post by them1ghtyhumph on Oct 31, 2018 4:02:58 GMT
It should really be more "recommended viewing" than "required viewing". You shouldn't have to watch something just because it's considered a classic of a genre. You should watch something simply out of interest or recommendation. I don't think people want to feel like they're being given orders on what to watch.That isn't what I meant. I mean required viewing for anyone who considers themselves a "movie buff." I think it is just it is hard for me to relate to movie fans who don't appreciate films from every decade and from every genre and sub-genre, and I get a certain irrational annoyance at people because of that. Then the question is are you correct in your 'movie buff' statement, or are some movie buffs required to view the films that they feel will not appeal to them? In other words, are there movies that I haven't watched that exclude me being a 'movie buff'? |
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Post by ravi02 on Oct 31, 2018 4:04:33 GMT
if you like either horror or sci-fi, then why not? Watch the first two films: Alien and Aliens. They are the best films in the series and influenced many other horror/sci-fi/space movies since.
The other films are varying degrees of quality, so it's up to you.
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Post by moviemouth on Oct 31, 2018 4:04:39 GMT
moviemouth There is horror and there is violence and gore for the sake of the exploitation of violence and gore and I still like you even though you do like these "icky" movies ! Plenty of other movies that we both like …. Do you know how many gore scenes Halloween and The Texas Chainsaw Massacre have? Exactly zero. Eh, The Texas Chainsaw Massacre has some pretty brutal scenes imo, particularly the part where Leatherface runs the wheelchair guy through with the chainsaw. But yes, even that movie the violence is more in what is happening rather than the gore itself. Even Nightmare isn't very gory imo. |
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Oct 31, 2018 4:05:58 GMT
Do you know how many gore scenes Halloween and The Texas Chainsaw Massacre have? Exactly zero. Eh, The Texas Chainsaw Massacre has some pretty brutal scenes imo, particularly the part where Leatherface runs the wheelchair guy through with the chainsaw. You don’t see anything. You don’t see a single drop of blood during that scene. |
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Post by moviemouth on Oct 31, 2018 4:07:14 GMT
That isn't what I meant. I mean required viewing for anyone who considers themselves a "movie buff." I think it is just it is hard for me to relate to movie fans who don't appreciate films from every decade and from every genre and sub-genre, and I get a certain irrational annoyance at people because of that. Then the question is are you correct in your 'movie buff' statement, or are some movie buffs required to view the films that they feel will not appeal to them? In other words, are there movies that I haven't watched that exclude me being a 'movie buff'? Maybe the degree of movie buff then. When I think of the term movie buff, I think of someone who is interested in EVERY type of movie or at least wanting to give every movie a chance, especially when they are hailed as the best in their genre. I separate the terms movie fan from movie buff. |
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Post by moviemouth on Oct 31, 2018 4:07:41 GMT
Eh, The Texas Chainsaw Massacre has some pretty brutal scenes imo, particularly the part where Leatherface runs the wheelchair guy through with the chainsaw. You don’t see anything. You don’t see a single drop of blood during that scene. Really? Even so, I think the other user means sickening things for the sake of sickening things. The movie is very brutal, even without showing blood. The hammer scene is one of the most disturbing violent moments in movie history imo. |
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Oct 31, 2018 4:10:40 GMT
You don’t see anything. You don’t see a single drop of blood during that scene. Really? Yes really. I’ve seen the movie about 20 times. It’s not gory. People just assume it’s gory because of the words “Chainsaw Massacre” in the title. |
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Post by moviemouth on Oct 31, 2018 4:13:32 GMT
Yes really. I’ve seen the movie about 20 times. It’s not gory. People just assume it’s gory because of the words “Chainsaw Massacre” in the title. It's more than assumption imo. It is gory in my memory and I have seen the movie 5 times. I think many people have a false memory the movie being gory. I guess that goes to show the talent of Tobe Hooper in the case of this film. It just feels gory even though it isn't. Interesting that this movie feels more deranged than Saw or Hostel, while not showing any gore. |
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Post by them1ghtyhumph on Oct 31, 2018 4:21:44 GMT
Then the question is are you correct in your 'movie buff' statement, or are some movie buffs required to view the films that they feel will not appeal to them? In other words, are there movies that I haven't watched that exclude me being a 'movie buff'? Maybe the degree of movie buff then. When I think of the term movie buff, I think of someone who is interested in EVERY type of movie or at least wanting to give every movie a chance, especially when they are hailed as the best in their genre. I separate the terms movie fan from movie buff. Going by your definition, I'm not a movie buff. But I'm a movie buff for over 50 years, so I feel I have the right to select the movies I choose to view. Of course, you are entitled to your opinion |
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Post by moviemouth on Oct 31, 2018 4:26:10 GMT
Maybe the degree of movie buff then. When I think of the term movie buff, I think of someone who is interested in EVERY type of movie or at least wanting to give every movie a chance, especially when they are hailed as the best in their genre. I separate the terms movie fan from movie buff. Going by your definition, I'm not a movie buff. But I'm a movie buff for over 50 years, so I feel I have the right to select the movies I choose to view. Of course, you are entitled to your opinion
As are you. I don't want to make it sound like I think people are wrong for not watching certain movies, just that I have such broad taste that I am unable to relate to some people when it comes to viewing habits. I am sure there are many people who wouldn't understand why I watch movies that I know I probably won't like. |
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Post by moviemouth on Oct 31, 2018 4:31:01 GMT
Yes really. I’ve seen the movie about 20 times. It’s not gory. People just assume it’s gory because of the words “Chainsaw Massacre” in the title. I misspoke before when I said Chainsaw Masscare is gore for the sake of gore. I meant that it is gore for the sake of terror or violence and twisted things happening for the sake of terror. Roger Ebert once said "Some movies aren't about what they are about, but how they are about what they are about," In the hands of a lesser talent Chainsaw Massacre would have felt like a trashy POS, but Hooper turns it into art. I always think of the opening shot of the rotten corpse hung up on the side of the road with the Texas sun shining beatifully in the background and it is one of the scariest images I have ever seen. Not many filmmakers could pull that off especially with almost no budget. Bat is referring to movies that are gore for the sake of fun or sickening people, which is something else entirely. |
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Post by BATouttaheck on Oct 31, 2018 4:31:16 GMT
moviemouthRE: wanting to give every movie a chance, especially when they are hailed as the best in their genre.
Sometimes the given chance is watching the trailer for a film and making a decision about whether or not you want to spend more time and energy on it. AND sometimes that whole particular genre/sub-genre just does NOT appeal to an individual no matter how wonderful others feel it to be! There are people who just refuse to watch a musical while others will watch one in preference to any other kind of film. Moviebuffhood is not really an all or nothing situation.
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Post by them1ghtyhumph on Oct 31, 2018 4:34:44 GMT
Going by your definition, I'm not a movie buff. But I'm a movie buff for over 50 years, so I feel I have the right to select the movies I choose to view. Of course, you are entitled to your opinion
As are you. I don't want to make it sound like I think people are wrong for not watching certain movies, just that I have such broad taste that I am unable to relate to some people when it comes to viewing habits. I am sure there are many people who wouldn't understand why I watch movies that I know I probably won't like. I understand your position. I am 68 years old. I can't waste my time watching movies I know I will probably not enjoy. But you,you knock yourself out. |
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Post by moviemouth on Oct 31, 2018 4:36:03 GMT
moviemouth RE: wanting to give every movie a chance, especially when they are hailed as the best in their genre.
Sometimes the given chance is watching the trailer for a film and making a decision about whether or not you want to spend more time and energy on it. AND sometimes that whole particular genre/sub-genre just does NOT appeal to an individual no matter how wonderful others feel it to be! There are people who just refuse to watch a musical while others will watch one in preference to any other kind of film. Moviebuffhood is not really an all or nothing situation. It is for me. I do know all of what you are saying, I just get annoyed by it. That is my own hang up. This all started with the OP asking an idiotic question though, which sparked my annoyance. I have to admit, I am saying some of what I am saying in hopes that people like you will give these movies a chance. |
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Post by BATouttaheck on Oct 31, 2018 4:48:53 GMT
moviemouth deep breaths might help with the annoyance level and some   I do like that you see it all as "my own hang up" and when you said "I get a certain irrational annoyance at people" it showed insight. Seriously … that's not all that common ! btw ... reading the comments above about those movies makes me even more sure they are not for me (not that I had not known that already …. rotten corpse … beautiful sunlighting or not, nope ! Just nope !
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Post by moviemouth on Oct 31, 2018 4:57:18 GMT
moviemouth deep breaths might help with the annoyance level and some I do like that you see it all as "my own hang up" and when you said "I get a certain irrational annoyance at people" it showed insight. Seriously … that's not all that common ! btw ... reading the comments above about those movies makes me even more sure they are not for me (not that I had not known that already …. rotten corpse … beautiful sunlighting or not, nope ! Just nope ! What about the other 2 though? First you say it is because they are gore for the sake or gore, which is objectively wrong. So what is the second reason you aren't interested? I am legit curious. You don't like movies about stalkers and killers and dreams and fear etc.? Halloween isn't about gore, it is about fear. Same with A Nightmare on Elm Street. Movies like Hostel, those movies are gore for the sake or gore. Those movies are "let's see how sick we can be be and how much people can tolerate." That isn't what the 3 I mentioned are doing, ESPECIALLY not Halloween and A Nightmare on Elm Street. These movies follow likable sympathetic characters fighting against evil and fear. In fact, Freddy is barely even in the original A Nightmare on Elm Street and Halloween is all about suspense, rather than violence. |
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