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Post by WarrenPeace on Nov 6, 2018 20:36:13 GMT
Just rewatched some of the first and best one of the series.
At least two plot holes.
George McFly is a Sci Fi fan.
He will notice that Darth Vader and Vulcan are names when he watches the movies and TV show.
No one will somehow notice that Marty looks, acts and sounds just like that kid they knew in the 50's?
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Post by ck100 on Nov 6, 2018 20:57:20 GMT
Just rewatched some of the first and best one of the series. At least two plot holes. George McFly is a Sci Fi fan. He will notice that Darth Vader and Vulcan are names when he watches the movies and TV show. No one will somehow notice that Marty looks, acts and sounds just like that kid they knew in the 50's? They only knew Marty for just one week 30 years ago from 1985. How can George and Lorraine have the same guy who tried to rape Lorraine work for them? |
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Post by WarrenPeace on Nov 6, 2018 21:06:07 GMT
Just rewatched some of the first and best one of the series. At least two plot holes. George McFly is a Sci Fi fan. He will notice that Darth Vader and Vulcan are names when he watches the movies and TV show. No one will somehow notice that Marty looks, acts and sounds just like that kid they knew in the 50's? They only knew Marty for just one week 30 years ago from 1985. How can George and Lorraine have the same guy who tried to rape Lorraine work for them? I may not remember everyone I knew for a week from 30 years ago but I think I would if some kid told me to take it easy on a future son if he sets fire to the rug. |
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Nov 6, 2018 21:10:17 GMT
Well the question is whether he used the name "Darth Vader" in his book, A Match Made in Space.
But I think the basic gist of the story is a falsehood--that someone's personality can radically change with a single incident.
George becomes a confident dude thanks to punching Biff, while Biff turns kind of gay.
Totally implausible unnatural characterization. A little too much Nurture over Nature.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Nov 6, 2018 21:25:04 GMT
Pretty much any movie that features time travel will have plot holes (The Terminator franchise is riddled with them)
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Post by mikef6 on Nov 6, 2018 22:23:48 GMT
Pretty much any movie that features time travel will have plot holes (The Terminator franchise is riddled with them) This. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2018 22:40:16 GMT
I always assumed George became the George Lucas/Gene Roddenberry of the new 1985. Like, his stories featured Darth Vader and Vulcan and thus the real ones no longer exist in that universe.
Not recognizing Marty is definitely questionable. This isn't just some dude from 30 years ago, he got them together and they named their kid after him. On that note, would have been funny if Marty returned to the future only to find out him and his older brother switched names because Lorraine decided she liked his name at the dance so she named her first born "Marty".
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Post by PreachCaleb on Nov 7, 2018 0:01:53 GMT
Well the question is whether he used the name "Darth Vader" in his book, A Match Made in Space. But I think the basic gist of the story is a falsehood--that someone's personality can radically change with a single incident. George becomes a confident dude thanks to punching Biff, while Biff turns kind of gay. Totally implausible unnatural characterization. A little too much Nurture over Nature. Not at all. Biff only changes like that around George because he knows George will kick his ass. It's the classic bully. Plus, it has been 30 years. The incident may have started the change, but it doesn't mean it was solely responsible for it. |
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Nov 7, 2018 0:28:58 GMT
Not at all. Biff only changes like that around George because he knows George will kick his ass. It's the classic bully. Plus, it has been 30 years. The incident may have started the change, but it doesn't mean it was solely responsible for it. George changed completely right away. He hit Biff then when they were at the dance and the guy took Lorraine from him he started to walk away like his old self-then suddenly he came back and pushed the guy dramatically. I knew a bully in school and after I punched him in the nose he changed towards me-became really nice, but it wasn't like he hanged around cleaning a car for me.
When Biff comes in "Look George, it's your new book!" he is really acting out of character there.
Not to mention his son who went from burger flipper to executive. hah
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Post by mikef6 on Nov 7, 2018 3:50:15 GMT
Not at all. Biff only changes like that around George because he knows George will kick his ass. It's the classic bully. Plus, it has been 30 years. The incident may have started the change, but it doesn't mean it was solely responsible for it. George changed completely right away. He hit Biff then when they were at the dance and the guy took Lorraine from him he started to walk away like his old self-then suddenly he came back and pushed the guy dramatically. I knew a bully in school and after I punched him in the nose he changed towards me-became really nice, but it wasn't like he hanged around cleaning a car for me.
When Biff comes in "Look George, it's your new book!" he is really acting out of character there.
Not to mention his son who went from burger flipper to executive. hah
Hint: Back To The Future is a comedy, not a character driven, psychological, slice-of-life drama. Biff's behavior after history has changed is supposed to make you laugh. Nothing else. In short, there are no problems with Back To The Future. |
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Nov 7, 2018 3:55:35 GMT
Hint: Back To The Future is a comedy, not a character driven, psychological, slice-of-life drama. Biff's behavior after history has changed is supposed to make you laugh. Nothing else. In short, there are no problems with Back To The Future. Yet we are supposed to take Doc's death by the Libyans seriously.
It's not supposed to be an absurdist comedy.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Nov 7, 2018 14:09:49 GMT
Not at all. Biff only changes like that around George because he knows George will kick his ass. It's the classic bully. Plus, it has been 30 years. The incident may have started the change, but it doesn't mean it was solely responsible for it. George changed completely right away. He hit Biff then when they were at the dance and the guy took Lorraine from him he started to walk away like his old self-then suddenly he came back and pushed the guy dramatically. I knew a bully in school and after I punched him in the nose he changed towards me-became really nice, but it wasn't like he hanged around cleaning a car for me.
When Biff comes in "Look George, it's your new book!" he is really acting out of character there.
Not to mention his son who went from burger flipper to executive. hah
If he can take Biff, he can take some smaller skinny guy. And as you pointed out, it wasn't an immediate change. He was initially intimidated. He had to work up the nerve to stand up to that other guy too. That's not a complete change. As for Biff, he's not just hanging around. He's doing his job. He was hired to clean cars. And again, there is a 30 year gap between high school and everything we see at the end. |
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Nov 7, 2018 14:44:17 GMT
If he can take Biff, he can take some smaller skinny guy. And as you pointed out, it wasn't an immediate change. He was initially intimidated. He had to work up the nerve to stand up to that other guy too. That's not a complete change. As for Biff, he's not just hanging around. He's doing his job. He was hired to clean cars. And again, there is a 30 year gap between high school and everything we see at the end. Right, a 30 year gap-but his personality change with the skinny guy was dramatic. He goes from unsure to suddenly Mr Suave.
The basic concept of dramatic personality change is still implausible. They are implying that George was an ugly duckling--but his original universe portrayal shows that wasn't the case--he was destined to be the wimpy nerd his whole life. That "nurture over nature" message is unrealistic. It's one thing to say that a single incident can have consequences-but they are suggesting it can dramatically override biological traits.
Compared to the alternate universe scenario in It's A Wonderful Life--because George Bailey didn't exist, the pharmacy owner killed someone and it ruined his life in the small town--and his wife became a spinster. Maybe implausible too, but less of a stretch than what Back to the Future did.
Supposedly Biff was inspired to start a car cleaning service after being hit by a manure truck!
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Post by PreachCaleb on Nov 7, 2018 15:02:21 GMT
He can take Biff, he can take a skinny guy. It's pretty simple. It's not like he suddenly got in Strickland's face or picked a fight with an entire gang. He pushed a skinny guy after having knocked out the biggest bully in school.
It isn't. Real life is full of people who dramatically changed after a single incident.
That's predicated on "wimpy nerd" being biological traits. There are no genes for either of those. So there is no suggestion it can override biology.
Not at all. Just as plausible. One thing can cause a cascade of changes.
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Post by James on Nov 7, 2018 15:09:45 GMT
The second you pointed out is very true. How can they not notice how identical their son Marty is to the Marty they met in ‘55?
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Post by MCDemuth on Nov 7, 2018 15:26:12 GMT
Not recognizing Marty is definitely questionable. This isn't just some dude from 30 years ago, he got them together and they named their kid after him. Yeah... But there are people, such as celebs, all over the world who have doubles (Doppelgangers)... There's a thread on of these boards here that talks about that...So, perhaps, his parents don't have photographic memories, and can't remember what he exactly looked like... and just accepted that Marty just happened to look like this guy from 30 years earlier... On that note, would have been funny if Marty returned to the future only to find out him and his older brother switched names because Lorraine decided she liked his name at the dance so she named her first born "Marty". Now this I wondered about... Lorraine makes a big deal, about liking the name, and then doesn't name her FIRST born son, "Marty"? I suppose she might have named Dave after her father, or George's father... Many people honor their parents by naming their first borns after them... (Sam & Dean Winchester from TV's "Supernatural" for example.) And then when Marty was born, she was now free to use other names... But, it does make one wonder... Just remember guys, that these movies have a lot of comedy in it, and it seems to me, that the writers probably just wanted to stretch the time travel Ripple Effect/Butterfly Effect to it's maximum in these films, to make it easier for the audience to notice the changes... and that's probably why there is SO MUCH "unrealistic" changes in the lives of these people... It's best, not to overthink/over analyze these films. |
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Post by Lebowskidoo 🦞 on Nov 7, 2018 18:34:33 GMT
Back to the Future should now be referred to as "Back to the Past" since it's future was 2015, which is now the past. 
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Nov 7, 2018 20:05:23 GMT
Back to the Future should now be referred to as "Back to the Past" since it's future was 2015, which is now the past. nope it meant going from the 50s back to the 80s, thus the future from that point of reference. Back to the past was the case when he returned to the 50s in part 2. |
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Post by Lebowskidoo 🦞 on Nov 7, 2018 20:27:19 GMT
Back to the Future should now be referred to as "Back to the Past" since it's future was 2015, which is now the past. nope it meant going from the 50s back to the 80s, thus the future from that point of reference. Back to the past was the case when he returned to the 50s in part 2. I thought of that after I pressed send, I'm not as clever as I wish I were.  |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Nov 7, 2018 20:32:02 GMT
nope it meant going from the 50s back to the 80s, thus the future from that point of reference. Back to the past was the case when he returned to the 50s in part 2. I thought of that after I pressed send, I'm not as clever as I wish I were. don't cry, nobody is  |
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