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Post by fatpaul on Nov 23, 2018 20:45:50 GMT
^ ^ said by Westerner on a computer with an apparently mind boggling unawareness of the disparate civilization levels of the two social groupings and expectations of the two parties involved. It doesn't matter what culture you come from, it would have been obvious to these tribal folks that the man was no immediate physical threat. Btw, what was it about my comment that made you assume that I have no awareness of the difference in civillisations?
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Post by progressiveelement on Nov 23, 2018 22:19:14 GMT
^ ^ said by Westerner on a computer with an apparently mind boggling unawareness of the disparate civilization levels of the two social groupings and expectations of the two parties involved. It doesn't matter what culture you come from, it would have been obvious to these tribal folks that the man was no immediate physical threat. Btw, what was it about my comment that made you assume that I have no awareness of the difference in civillisations? No. No it would not be obvious. These kinds of people shoot at helicopters and planes, thinking they're monsters. Here comes a stranger, obviously different to them. Different provokes fear of the unknown. Being as isolated as they are, his appearance could have put him on par with the Antichrist. A minion from the underworld spreading chaos. A danger from their perspective, no matter what the intent. They saw him as a threat, an enemy.
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Post by goz on Nov 23, 2018 23:04:09 GMT
^ ^ said by Westerner on a computer with an apparently mind boggling unawareness of the disparate civilization levels of the two social groupings and expectations of the two parties involved. It doesn't matter what culture you come from, it would have been obvious to these tribal folks that the man was no immediate physical threat. Btw, what was it about my comment that made you assume that I have no awareness of the difference in civillisations? ^ ^...and again Obvious to you...a Westerner with a whole history of thousands of years of social civilisation under your belt and a small imagination.
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Post by Cody™ on Nov 24, 2018 0:57:07 GMT
Well I’m the only one on this thread who has shown any “care, compassion and empathy“ towards the victim in this report that much is obvious. If your “care, compassion and empathy“ was genuine and authentic, then it would have to be "unconditional" and without judgement and condemnation, regardless of whatever religious beliefs the person held dear to themselves. You place an estoppel on your “care, compassion and empathy“ due to your hypocritical and selective reasoning.
What is 'obvious' about you Cody, is if this young man was Muslim and went to spread the world of Islam, you would then take the same stance most of the others posters on here have, or if he was an openly 'gay' Christian man, I seriously doubt you would even shed a bitter tear due to your homophobia and ignorance.
This has nothing to do with personal religious belief or, race or sexuality, it has to do with a consequence of a very foolhardy action. The bolded part is the only bit of your post I agree with. If this young man were a Muslim and went peacefully to preach Islam and got slaughtered by that tribe then I can assure you that I would find it just as tragic, as I would if he were of any other religion. Because I’m looking at this from a purely moral standpoint, not a religious one.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2018 1:00:42 GMT
I hear ICE want to recruit the islanders, saying "they seem to be 'can do' sort of people".
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Post by Cody™ on Nov 24, 2018 1:04:51 GMT
^ ^ said by Westerner on a computer with an apparently mind boggling unawareness of the disparate civilization levels of the two social groupings and expectations of the two parties involved. It doesn't matter what culture you come from, it would have been obvious to these tribal folks that the man was no immediate physical threat. Btw, what was it about my comment that made you assume that I have no awareness of the difference in civillisations? Don’t bother yourself with that one. She’s a brainwashed “liberal“ idiot.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Nov 24, 2018 1:16:35 GMT
Why would anyone sympathize with the tribe. Was it because they lost a lot of good arrows that day? It is not about sympathy, but allowing the natural order of evolution to take it course and preserving it for what it is. That is all it is about, what it is. Things are only ever what they are. How can that be disputed?
What do you think should be done with these primitive people, who are a natural part of their environment, untainted by the delusional ideals of so-called civilized man. Have you not read your history books, or is it only the good book that is relevant man!
Nothing should be done to them. They'll die out on their own. However, it's silly to create either..or scenario. The dude was foolish/naive about his abilities and the tribe contains at least a few horrible people that are clearly savages. They should be left alone specifically because of how much they suck not because their weird version of isolationism is somehow a better thing then getting along with society as a whole.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Nov 24, 2018 1:57:05 GMT
The absolute state of this thread... Cody....they are what they are....and they are going to be what they are going to be.....and they are going to get what they are going to get.....in the end That goes for the savages on that island as well as the ones on this thread. I heard about this on the car radio as I was coming home earlier in the week, but I don't think they said that the missionary was twenty-seven. That's half my age. I wouldn't have tried to do what he did then or now. For a long time I've been expressing my sentiment that too much attention is being paid to the souls that are hopelessly lost and not enough to the ones who still have a chance. This guy evidently felt differently about it, and he knew the risks, and he got what he got. Sometimes you just have to leave it at that.
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Post by Eλευθερί on Nov 24, 2018 2:15:10 GMT
Matthew 10:14
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Post by fatpaul on Nov 24, 2018 3:01:16 GMT
No. No it would not be obvious. These kinds of people shoot at helicopters and planes, thinking they're monsters. Here comes a stranger, obviously different to them. Different provokes fear of the unknown. Being as isolated as they are, his appearance could have put him on par with the Antichrist. A minion from the underworld spreading chaos. A danger from their perspective, no matter what the intent. They saw him as a threat, an enemy. That's just patronizing, they are human beings not some gang of trolls. And even if they did see him as an enemy then it doesn't mean they were right, hence I don't sympathize with them. What is it about being primitive or tribal that I should sympathize?
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Post by fatpaul on Nov 24, 2018 3:04:55 GMT
You comment and then you repeat in this reply of the same lack of understanding of Sociology 101. Cool you know an -ology word, it still doesn't answer my question though.
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Post by fatpaul on Nov 24, 2018 3:12:37 GMT
By whose standards, the rest of the 'civilized' world. By my standards, empathy and sympathy are subjective. And? I don't sympathize with the missionary either. Why should you care, aren't you the one who thinks thoughts are illusory. But it is just a lame-arsed dig from you isn't it?
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Post by progressiveelement on Nov 24, 2018 3:18:39 GMT
No. No it would not be obvious. These kinds of people shoot at helicopters and planes, thinking they're monsters. Here comes a stranger, obviously different to them. Different provokes fear of the unknown. Being as isolated as they are, his appearance could have put him on par with the Antichrist. A minion from the underworld spreading chaos. A danger from their perspective, no matter what the intent. They saw him as a threat, an enemy. That's just patronizing, they are human beings not some gang of trolls. And even if they did see him as an enemy then it doesn't mean they were right, hence I don't sympathize with them. What is it about being primitive or tribal that I should sympathize? Thinking outside the box not your forte?
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Post by fatpaul on Nov 24, 2018 3:20:57 GMT
Thinking outside the box not your forte? Please enlighten me with your outside the box thinking.
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Post by Aj_June on Nov 24, 2018 3:25:48 GMT
No. No it would not be obvious. These kinds of people shoot at helicopters and planes, thinking they're monsters. Here comes a stranger, obviously different to them. Different provokes fear of the unknown. Being as isolated as they are, his appearance could have put him on par with the Antichrist. A minion from the underworld spreading chaos. A danger from their perspective, no matter what the intent. They saw him as a threat, an enemy. That's just patronizing, they are human beings not some gang of trolls. And even if they did see him as an enemy then it doesn't mean they were right, hence I don't sympathize with them. What is it about being primitive or tribal that I should sympathize? Do you understand that they never had any contact with outside groups. Even their language is not derived from other languages spoken around the island. They are totally isolated and live like people did in stone age. Seeing people who look completely different from them it is very natural they will fear. They are nor part of any society or follow any government rules. Essentially you go back 5000 years back in time and see how the people of 5000 years back treat you. I am stunned by the fact you guys can't even imagine what is it is like living in completle islation from the world for over 50000 years. And you want morality when the other group is indulging in natural impulsive behaviour dictated by evolution.
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Post by Aj_June on Nov 24, 2018 3:27:27 GMT
That's just patronizing, they are human beings not some gang of trolls. And even if they did see him as an enemy then it doesn't mean they were right, hence I don't sympathize with them. What is it about being primitive or tribal that I should sympathize? Thinking outside the box not your forte? It's white man's burden to civilize the world. No matter how many cultures and people they will kill in the process. The rascal who went their has been called "kid" in this thread when scumbag believes people not following his religion are possessed by satan. Give me those tribal people any day than such bastards.
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Post by fatpaul on Nov 24, 2018 3:32:50 GMT
Do you understand that they never had any contact with outside groups. Even their language is not derived from other languages spoken around the island. They are totally isolated and live like people did in stone age. Seeing people who look completely different from them it is very natural they will fear. They are nor part of any society or follow any government rules. Essentially you go back 5000 years back in time and see how the people of 5000 years back treat you. I am stunned by the fact you guys can't even imagine what is it is like living in completle islation from the world for over 50000 years. And you want morality when the other group is indulging in natural impulsive behaviour dictated by evolution. Yes I do understand. Do you think that between themselves, they just kill each other off, without due process of their own? Even if they are progressively backward they would still understand between a threat of violence and a non-violent threat.
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Post by Aj_June on Nov 24, 2018 3:33:35 GMT
No doubt, it was a dumb decision to try and visit the Sentinelesse, but, in my opinion, him being a sanctimonious christian missionary is not deserving of a death sentence.
He had it coming. And as for the numptys parents saying they forgive the tribespeople, they should be the ones seeking forgiveness. I am astounded by the fact that people can't put themselves in shoes of a small community that have live in stone age totally isolated from world and see how things work. These people want everyone to follow their own standards of morality. Life's been easy in Americas as the free land that was gotten from murdering the native paid of well. But the danger for the rest of the world is always there. Anytime there is lack of resources I would be surprised by return to violence by religious scumbags no matter of what country or culture. Currently the economy is well so it is easy to lecture others.
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Post by Aj_June on Nov 24, 2018 3:34:20 GMT
Do you understand that they never had any contact with outside groups. Even their language is not derived from other languages spoken around the island. They are totally isolated and live like people did in stone age. Seeing people who look completely different from them it is very natural they will fear. They are nor part of any society or follow any government rules. Essentially you go back 5000 years back in time and see how the people of 5000 years back treat you. I am stunned by the fact you guys can't even imagine what is it is like living in completle islation from the world for over 50000 years. And you want morality when the other group is indulging in natural impulsive behaviour dictated by evolution. Yes I do understand. Do you think that between themselves, they just kill each other off, without due process of their own? Even if they are progressively backward they would still understand between a threat of violence and a non-violent threat. Why are you sure of that. They may not. The other people look far different from them and they are not used to them.
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Post by fatpaul on Nov 24, 2018 3:38:57 GMT
Yes I do understand. Do you think that between themselves, they just kill each other off, without due process of their own? Even if they are progressively backward they would still understand between a threat of violence and a non-violent threat. Why are you sure of that. They may not. The other people look far different from them and they are not used to them. Any culture, primitive or not, have some sort of due process, some rules to which they adhere to. Being different is still no excuse to end someone's life.
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