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Post by summers8 on Nov 24, 2018 12:56:37 GMT
The awkward moment when studio act like studio and mess up their timeline.
so some mcu fans liked to call out xmen for the messed up timeline and the timeline of xmen is messed up regardless of even the alternate reality explanation. now looks like MCU now has the same problem and it is getting worse.
so what is the deal here? where did it all go wrong?
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Post by scabab on Nov 24, 2018 16:32:28 GMT
This is old news. People have known it was messed up for a while. Ever since Spider-man Homecoming came out. Even the Russo Brothers said it was messed up.
You're almost a year and half late.
Both have them have screwy timeline.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2018 16:38:55 GMT
This is old news. People have known it was messed up for a while. Ever since Spider-man Homecoming came out. Even the Russo Brothers said it was messed up. You're almost a year and half late. Both have them have screwy timeline. Yes it's not like it hasn't been a subject on this very forum, with a year old thread still being discussed 4 days ago. imdb2.freeforums.net/thread/70314/confused-mcu-timeline |
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Post by summers8 on Nov 25, 2018 4:52:28 GMT
This is old news. People have known it was messed up for a while. Ever since Spider-man Homecoming came out. Even the Russo Brothers said it was messed up. You're almost a year and half late. Both have them have screwy timeline. I have known for a while. I even said it was bs that the kid in iron man 2 is suppose to be peter parker. its just it is now becoming to hard too ignore by the media who were sweeping it under the wrong. we know how the media loves to protect mcu movies. |
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Post by blockbusted on Nov 25, 2018 5:26:27 GMT
This is old news. People have known it was messed up for a while. Ever since Spider-man Homecoming came out. Even the Russo Brothers said it was messed up. You're almost a year and half late. Both have them have screwy timeline. I have known for a while. I even said it was bs that the kid in iron man 2 is suppose to be peter parker. its just it is now becoming to hard too ignore by the media who were sweeping it under the wrong. we know how the media loves to protect mcu movies. Ahh. A classic pot/kettle situation. |
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Post by scabab on Nov 25, 2018 5:52:30 GMT
its just it is now becoming to hard too ignore by the media who were sweeping it under the wrong. People have called it out since the very same day Spider-man Homecoming came out...It never made sense and everyone always knew that. |
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Nov 26, 2018 10:11:13 GMT
Summers you need new material man.
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Post by dazz on Nov 26, 2018 10:14:52 GMT
Up until Homecoming it was fine, a little iffy but nothing out and out contradictory within the films themselves, it was the out of film stuff that made it all seem messed upm such as outside the films the events of Thor, IM2, Hulk & the end scene of CA:TFA all happening around the same time and within just 6 months of IM1.
Then again it is nothing compared to the cock ups in the X-Films where not only do times not measure up but established events change for no reason, people are born decades earlier than they are meant to, no one ages for 30 years, deep and complex relationships between characters who already knew each other but didn't show any sign of ever given a shit about each other pop up, they cant even quote themselves properly, go fuck yourselves is not the same thing as fuck off, not when you are attempting to directly quote someone.
But really in the MCU prior to their official timeline bullshit thing the only real screw up was the timing thing of 8 years since in Civil War referring to Iron Man's creation, and the 8 years later from Avengers, happening in a film that is meant to take place within the same calendar year as CW.
It is odd how they decided that it is of critical importance they keep the clustering of all but the last of the Phase 1 films taking place over 6 month, majority of which all actually happens at like the same time supposedly, but actual established canon from the actual films, stated to the mass public watching those films, such as BP taking place directly after the events of CW are retconned to taking place years later.
Still not as retarded as the X-Men timeline though, with the MCU if they stop trying to half fix it then it'll become a thing most people wont notice and only us idiots notice.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Nov 26, 2018 14:37:14 GMT
This is old news. People have known it was messed up for a while. Ever since Spider-man Homecoming came out. Even the Russo Brothers said it was messed up. You're almost a year and half late. Both have them have screwy timeline. I have known for a while. I even said it was bs that the kid in iron man 2 is suppose to be peter parker. its just it is now becoming to hard too ignore by the media who were sweeping it under the wrong. we know how the media loves to protect mcu movies. Under the wrong what? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2018 19:29:03 GMT
its just it is now becoming to hard too ignore by the media who were sweeping it under the wrong. People have called it out since the very same day Spider-man Homecoming came out...It never made sense and everyone always knew that. Yeah that was so tacky. I didn't even like it when it was in the air, let alone confirmed. |
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Nov 26, 2018 19:36:47 GMT
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Post by kleinreturns on Nov 26, 2018 21:16:56 GMT
Well it not like your beloved FOX Men Franchise didn't mess up their own timeline with their rubbish movies to the point where DOFP was a pathetic attempt to correct their own timeline problems (like in Origins Wolverine and FC). And can someone explain logically how stopping Mystique from killing midget Trask led to that ROTK like cloying happy ending where both Cyclops AND Jean Grey where alive again when their X3 deaths had NOTHING TO DO WITH TRASK/MYSTIQUE/SENTINELS/EVENTS FROM 1973 |
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Post by kleinreturns on Nov 26, 2018 21:23:16 GMT
Up until Homecoming it was fine, a little iffy but nothing out and out contradictory within the films themselves, it was the out of film stuff that made it all seem messed upm such as outside the films the events of Thor, IM2, Hulk & the end scene of CA:TFA all happening around the same time and within just 6 months of IM1. Then again it is nothing compared to the cock ups in the X-Films where not only do times not measure up but established events change for no reason, people are born decades earlier than they are meant to, no one ages for 30 years, deep and complex relationships between characters who already knew each other but didn't show any sign of ever given a shit about each other pop up, they cant even quote themselves properly, go fuck yourselves is not the same thing as fuck off, not when you are attempting to directly quote someone.
But really in the MCU prior to their official timeline bullshit thing the only real screw up was the timing thing of 8 years since in Civil War referring to Iron Man's creation, and the 8 years later from Avengers, happening in a film that is meant to take place within the same calendar year as CW. It is odd how they decided that it is of critical importance they keep the clustering of all but the last of the Phase 1 films taking place over 6 month, majority of which all actually happens at like the same time supposedly, but actual established canon from the actual films, stated to the mass public watching those films, such as BP taking place directly after the events of CW are retconned to taking place years later. Still not as retarded as the X-Men timeline though, with the MCU if they stop trying to half fix it then it'll become a thing most people wont notice and only us idiots notice. ^^^This. |
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Post by Jedan Archer on Nov 26, 2018 21:33:42 GMT
MCU and X-Men are not amongst the series where I would expect anything to add up in the first place. No offense.
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Post by charzhino on Nov 26, 2018 22:00:53 GMT
Well it not like your beloved FOX Men Franchise didn't mess up their own timeline with their rubbish movies to the point where DOFP was a pathetic attempt to correct their own timeline problems (like in Origins Wolverine and FC). And can someone explain logically how stopping Mystique from killing midget Trask led to that ROTK like cloying happy ending where both Cyclops AND Jean Grey where alive again when their X3 deaths had NOTHING TO DO WITH TRASK/MYSTIQUE/SENTINELS/EVENTS FROM 1973 DOFP was a perfect retcon to undo Rattners mess of X3. And Mistique killing trask meant Wolverines original timeline from X1 onwards got changed SO THE EVENTS FROM X3 NEVER HAPPENED. |
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Post by bud47 on Nov 26, 2018 22:27:11 GMT
Well it not like your beloved FOX Men Franchise didn't mess up their own timeline with their rubbish movies to the point where DOFP was a pathetic attempt to correct their own timeline problems (like in Origins Wolverine and FC). And can someone explain logically how stopping Mystique from killing midget Trask led to that ROTK like cloying happy ending where both Cyclops AND Jean Grey where alive again when their X3 deaths had NOTHING TO DO WITH TRASK/MYSTIQUE/SENTINELS/EVENTS FROM 1973 DOFP was a perfect retcon to undo Rattners mess of X3. And Mistique killing trask meant Wolverines original timeline from X1 onwards got changed SO THE EVENTS FROM X3 NEVER HAPPENED. Not much of a retcon if they fail to capitalize on it. Apocalypse was a lame follow-up and Logan was more or less an Elsewords movie. At least Marvel has never had to make an entire movie to correct the past mistakes of another. It was getting to the point where nearly every failed Fox-Men movie was going to require a do-over. And no one can really complain about the MCU and it's lack of stakes or meaningful/lasting deaths when DOFP ends with everyone alive and well. |
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Post by PreachCaleb on Nov 26, 2018 23:46:32 GMT
Well it not like your beloved FOX Men Franchise didn't mess up their own timeline with their rubbish movies to the point where DOFP was a pathetic attempt to correct their own timeline problems (like in Origins Wolverine and FC). And can someone explain logically how stopping Mystique from killing midget Trask led to that ROTK like cloying happy ending where both Cyclops AND Jean Grey where alive again when their X3 deaths had NOTHING TO DO WITH TRASK/MYSTIQUE/SENTINELS/EVENTS FROM 1973 I have no issue with that. It was a butterfly effect. |
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Post by dazz on Nov 27, 2018 0:28:19 GMT
Well it not like your beloved FOX Men Franchise didn't mess up their own timeline with their rubbish movies to the point where DOFP was a pathetic attempt to correct their own timeline problems (like in Origins Wolverine and FC). And can someone explain logically how stopping Mystique from killing midget Trask led to that ROTK like cloying happy ending where both Cyclops AND Jean Grey where alive again when their X3 deaths had NOTHING TO DO WITH TRASK/MYSTIQUE/SENTINELS/EVENTS FROM 1973 DOFP was a perfect retcon to undo Rattners mess of X3. And Mistique killing trask meant Wolverines original timeline from X1 onwards got changed SO THE EVENTS FROM X3 NEVER HAPPENED. No it was a perfect way to retcon the timeline which DOFP does a piss poor job at actually explaining, which could easily been explained away simply by having Mystique be at the mansion when Logan wakes up, easy logic to follow that, after the vents of DOFP's past alterations Raven joins the team so she is not with Magneto during the events of X1 or X2, so she cannot ruin Cerebro and Xavier & the team defuse Magneto far easier in X1, now this doesn't do much, but then in X2 with Mystique not helping Magneto trying to kill all of humanity the team get out of the lake before the structure collapses so Jean doesn't need to sacrifice herself to save everyone, so the Phoenix doesn't emerge for X3 she doesn't kill Scott or Xavier.
However this doesn't happen, Raven is not part of the team by the end of the film, so we don't know what changes with her or stays the same, but when you think the events of X2 actually rely heavily on her, she breaks Magneto out, she breaks into Strikers base, without Magneto the team would have died on the plane, without her Logan likely wouldn't have been able to get them in with time to spare to stop Xavier killing all the mutants and without Magneto they may not have been able to get inside Dark Cerebro.
Also DOFP actually fucks up the stakes for every movie that follows, there is no tension as to what will the Phoenix do in the next film because we know Jean and Scott are together in the future, we know Beast is alive, as is Xavier, Rogue, Bobby, Logan, Storm, I mean maybe Quicksilver, Raven & Nightcrawler die but that's about it, same with Apocalypse we knew he couldn't win because we saw the future.
To say it was a perfect retcon is retarded, I mean they fuck up the continuity with their very next film, Raven captures Logan pretending to be Striker but in the next film Striker actually has Wolverine despite the Striker who caught him in DOFP was Raven...WTF!!
Also how does stopping the Sentinel programme cause Jean to kill her parents as a child in the 70's when we are shown her parents alive when her powers manifest at first in the 80's, how does Angel get born decades earlier than established in X3 especially when the events of DOFP wouldn't have impacted his birth as he's already a teenager or in his 20's in Apocalypse less than a decade earlier, how does Storm have white hair in the original timeline if the events of Apocalypse cause her hair change but Apocalypse isn't released in the original timeline?
Also DOFP/Apocalypse trivialise Magneto's motivation/personality he isn't mutants first for a cause or a purpose but simply because he is a petty child lashing out in a temporary pain that can be soothed, in the original timeline Magneto and Xavier are close friends up till the 80's when the mutant problem becomes a thing and Magneto fearing the same response to mutants the Nazi's had to the Jewish refuses to stand by and let his people be rounded up and killed, this becomes twisted with his arrogant stance that mutants are better than humans therefor humans are expendable, it's a twisted view based on a noble idea, in the DOFP/Apocalypse timeline it's I don't have a family therefore I will kill all the humans.
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Post by hobowar on Nov 27, 2018 1:01:39 GMT
Please try and tell me the X-Men movies have a perfect timeline.
X-Men: Days of Future Past AKA. Oops, sorry about the other movies.
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Post by charzhino on Nov 27, 2018 9:30:13 GMT
Not much of a retcon if they fail to capitalize on it. Apocalypse was a lame follow-up and Logan was more or less an Elsewords movie. At least Marvel has never had to make an entire movie to correct the past mistakes of another. It was getting to the point where nearly every failed Fox-Men movie was going to require a do-over. And no one can really complain about the MCU and it's lack of stakes or meaningful/lasting deaths when DOFP ends with everyone alive and well. They should have used the original cast in Apocalypse as Singer wanted instead of the kiddie one but that's Foxs mistake for being cheap to avoid paying big bucks to the OT actors. Marvels movies are assembly lined products for mass consumption, of course they don't make mistakes because in-between films are treated as fillers. That's why in 20 movies they haven't produced a single product comparable to Dark Knight or Logan. The creative energy at marvel is not entirely focused on making 1 elite level movie, rather its dissipated in making 7 straight ''decent'' movies with maybe 1 very good movie in between that. DOFP ends with everyone alive and well. Then they all die in Logan. Lets see what happens to the deaths in IW, pretty sure they wont stay dead. |
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