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Post by justanaveragejoe on Dec 11, 2018 7:47:33 GMT
My guess? The stigma against action, adventure and blockbusters. Granted comedies do have a stigma too, but we are talking about the Foreign Press. Comedy has less of a stigma around the world. With the bizillion westerns out there especially during the first 50 years of the Golden Globes you would think that would be one. Kinda half joking there, but I wouldn't have put it past them. No. it was to find space to get movies in that dont deserve to be in. this is the golden globes version of the oscar popular category. Yeah, because If Beale Street Could Talk and BlackKklansman we SO popular.  |
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Dec 11, 2018 7:50:04 GMT
Something I never understood, why are there awards for best drama movie, best musical movie, best comedy, best animated movie but no awards for best action movie or best adventure movie or best blockbuster? Well the Critic's Choice Award has a Best Action Film award, and both Black Panther and Infinity War are nominated. Not sure but when you think about, isn't putting Black Panther in Drama kind of genre fraud? I mean, it has dramatic moments in the movie, but it's more of an action film first. The Golden Globes did this with Mad Max: Fury Road a couple of years ago; they nominated it for Best Drama. |
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Post by Vassaggo on Dec 11, 2018 8:17:39 GMT
Something I never understood, why are there awards for best drama movie, best musical movie, best comedy, best animated movie but no awards for best action movie or best adventure movie or best blockbuster? Well the Critic's Choice Award has a Best Action Film award, and both Black Panther and Infinity War are nominated. Not sure but when you think about, isn't putting Black Panther in Drama kind of genre fraud? I mean, it has dramatic moments in the movie, but it's more of an action film first. The Golden Globes did this with Mad Max: Fury Road a couple of years ago; they nominated it for Best Drama. Wasn't this done for the Martian too? As best comedy? At the globes I mean. |
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Post by summers8 on Dec 11, 2018 10:51:46 GMT
No. it was to find space to get movies in that dont deserve to be in. this is the golden globes version of the oscar popular category. So the golden globes best drama is the equivalent of oscar popular category? Man, what the hell are you smoking? no it isn't directly but they had to sneak black panther in meaning the films that should be there got dumped to the musicals. when the awards were released many people noticed and complained about how ridiculous the category was and made no sense. I do have to ask..are these people scared if black panther is not nominated many blacks will riot , swear curse words and burn down their houses or something? many blacks are aware many white driven comic films with white directors dont get any serious norm so what makes this people think blacks will want the same for a black comic film? I hope they know while many blacks appreciate the impact of the film most of them dont see it as a top 10 comic film either. they still will judge it on the merit. hm...this is the liberal aspect of racism hollywood is pushing that is sometimes worse than the conservative straight up aspect of racism. |
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Post by damngumby on Dec 11, 2018 12:49:12 GMT
I do have to ask..are these people scared if black panther is not nominated many blacks will riot , swear curse words and burn down their houses or something? many blacks are aware many white driven comic films with white directors dont get any serious norm so what makes this people think blacks will want the same for a black comic film. First it was “Disney controls the Oscars”, but now that BP is racking up nominations in other prestigious awards, it’s because of a global fear of the black man? This is getting quite entertaining! By the time all is said and done, our resident MCU-haters will have to reject most of the independent indicators of a film’s quality in order to maintain their minority opinion that Black Panther is unworthy of being called one of, if not the best superhero movie of all time!
They’ve already rejected the aggregated views of hundreds of film critcs. They’re afraid to speak of the once revered Rotten Tomatoes Best Superhero Movie Of All Time list. They were even preparing to jettison the legitimacy of the Acadamy Awards. Now they are going to have to toss the NBR, Golden Globes and Critics Choice. And we ain’t done yet!  |
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Post by summers8 on Dec 11, 2018 13:38:08 GMT
I do have to ask..are these people scared if black panther is not nominated many blacks will riot , swear curse words and burn down their houses or something? many blacks are aware many white driven comic films with white directors dont get any serious norm so what makes this people think blacks will want the same for a black comic film. First it was “Disney controls the Oscars”, but now that BP is racking up nominations in other prestigious awards, it’s because of a global fear of the black man? This is getting quite entertaining! By the time all is said and done, our resident MCU-haters will have to reject most of the independent indicators of a film’s quality in order to maintain their minority opinion that Black Panther is unworthy of being called one of, if not the best superhero movie of all time!
They’ve already rejected the aggregated views of hundreds of film critcs. They’re afraid to speak of the once revered Rotten Tomatoes Best Superhero Movie Of All Time list. They were even preparing to jettison the legitimacy of the Acadamy Awards. Now they are going to have to toss the NBR, Golden Globes and Critics Choice. And we ain’t done yet! correction. disney did try to buy the oscars with the popular category. we did not make it up. disney did that. www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2018/08/oscars-popular-film-category-disneysecondly the best of dc-fan trolling with rt is DC already had TDK they did not need wonder woman so dont think that junk has an effect on me on any real film criticism. the fact remains that every award black panther is getting is not earned on merit. and that is fact. if you swap the movie with an all white cast it will get the same recognition as thor 1.... sorry. |
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Post by politicidal on Dec 11, 2018 15:31:04 GMT
First it was “Disney controls the Oscars”, but now that BP is racking up nominations in other prestigious awards, it’s because of a global fear of the black man? This is getting quite entertaining! By the time all is said and done, our resident MCU-haters will have to reject most of the independent indicators of a film’s quality in order to maintain their minority opinion that Black Panther is unworthy of being called one of, if not the best superhero movie of all time!
They’ve already rejected the aggregated views of hundreds of film critcs. They’re afraid to speak of the once revered Rotten Tomatoes Best Superhero Movie Of All Time list. They were even preparing to jettison the legitimacy of the Acadamy Awards. Now they are going to have to toss the NBR, Golden Globes and Critics Choice. And we ain’t done yet! correction. disney did try to buy the oscars with the popular category. we did not make it up. disney did that. www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2018/08/oscars-popular-film-category-disneysecondly the best of dc-fan trolling with rt is DC already had TDK they did not need wonder woman so dont think that junk has an effect on me on any real film criticism. the fact remains that every award black panther is getting is not earned on merit. and that is fact. if you swap the movie with an all white cast it will get the same recognition as thor 1.... sorry. I'm not hearing anything of actual substance but my dog's going nuts. |
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Post by Skaathar on Dec 11, 2018 16:49:03 GMT
First it was “Disney controls the Oscars”, but now that BP is racking up nominations in other prestigious awards, it’s because of a global fear of the black man? This is getting quite entertaining! By the time all is said and done, our resident MCU-haters will have to reject most of the independent indicators of a film’s quality in order to maintain their minority opinion that Black Panther is unworthy of being called one of, if not the best superhero movie of all time!
They’ve already rejected the aggregated views of hundreds of film critcs. They’re afraid to speak of the once revered Rotten Tomatoes Best Superhero Movie Of All Time list. They were even preparing to jettison the legitimacy of the Acadamy Awards. Now they are going to have to toss the NBR, Golden Globes and Critics Choice. And we ain’t done yet! correction. disney did try to buy the oscars with the popular category. we did not make it up. disney did that. www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2018/08/oscars-popular-film-category-disneysecondly the best of dc-fan trolling with rt is DC already had TDK they did not need wonder woman so dont think that junk has an effect on me on any real film criticism. the fact remains that every award black panther is getting is not earned on merit. and that is fact. if you swap the movie with an all white cast it will get the same recognition as thor 1.... sorry. Dude, stop using the word "fact" until you actually understand what it is. |
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Post by Lord Death Man on Dec 11, 2018 17:45:56 GMT
Honestly a nomination for Best Original Song is the one that made sense. Score made sense as well. Seriously, there's really nothing else like it in the genre. |
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Post by Lord Death Man on Dec 11, 2018 17:50:35 GMT
The inescapable fact of this situation is that no significant awards ceremony has ever nominated a comic book movie for the equivalent of its best picture category. Regardless of whether you agree with the nomination or not, it a first and thus, a watershed for both Marvel and the genre. It legitimizes superhero movies and ensures that they will still be around for a while yet.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Dec 11, 2018 18:33:39 GMT
Well the Critic's Choice Award has a Best Action Film award, and both Black Panther and Infinity War are nominated. Not sure but when you think about, isn't putting Black Panther in Drama kind of genre fraud? I mean, it has dramatic moments in the movie, but it's more of an action film first. The Golden Globes did this with Mad Max: Fury Road a couple of years ago; they nominated it for Best Drama. Wasn't this done for the Martian too? As best comedy? At the globes I mean. Yes, for Best Comedy? I don't recall anything funny in The Martian. |
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Post by summers8 on Dec 11, 2018 20:07:38 GMT
correction. disney did try to buy the oscars with the popular category. we did not make it up. disney did that. www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2018/08/oscars-popular-film-category-disneysecondly the best of dc-fan trolling with rt is DC already had TDK they did not need wonder woman so dont think that junk has an effect on me on any real film criticism. the fact remains that every award black panther is getting is not earned on merit. and that is fact. if you swap the movie with an all white cast it will get the same recognition as thor 1.... sorry. Dude, stop using the word "fact" until you actually understand what it is. lol...the good thing is most mcu fans know the recognition is a scam not to be taken seriously and is meaningless. I am cool with a very few still in denial that think BP is getting all this recognition because of film artistry and not race.
what is worse is these were the same mcu fans who were freaking about wonder woman saying it only was getting recognition because she is a woman, now they cant admit BP is because he is black.
maybe it is because mcu fans knew wonder woman was secondary. DC already had TDK a far more superior movie to BP and not even getting the level of recognition BP is. film artistry factually tells us it is a scam. not an opinion.
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Post by summers8 on Dec 11, 2018 20:14:06 GMT
The inescapable fact of this situation is that no significant awards ceremony has ever nominated a comic book movie for the equivalent of its best picture category. Regardless of whether you agree with the nomination or not, it a first and thus, a watershed for both Marvel and the genre. It legitimizes superhero movies and ensures that they will still be around for a while yet. it is not a watershed moment for marvel or the genre because the film is not earning it on merit. the awards will never nominate any other film again unless the cast is black and is pushed by the disney pr machine. so it is not a watershed a moment.
The reality is BP is devaluing the genre because it is sending a message that the genre is so useless that you can only get this things when you make it about race and diversity and have a pr machine like disney not on excellent film craft and awards are meant to be about excellent film craft. BP is not excellent film craft. it is a generic mcu movie like the others and those were all ignored so why is this getting not ignored? be honest.
John Campea put it best and he is more of a mcu fan and even he thinks this recognition is a scam and is hurting back panther in the eyes of the public instead of helping it.
funny, black panther is getting all this attention and notice most are are ignoring but desperate mcu fans, people are not taking it seriously because we all know it is scam and has nothing to do with the best of films.
also, many first man fans are getting annoyed and can you blame them when this is by light years a better movie and BP stole its place because of the race baiting.
awards are only meaningful when you earn it on merit. BP so far is meaningless. since race baiting is what is earning it.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Dec 11, 2018 20:42:17 GMT
The inescapable fact of this situation is that no significant awards ceremony has ever nominated a comic book movie for the equivalent of its best picture category. Regardless of whether you agree with the nomination or not, it a first and thus, a watershed for both Marvel and the genre. It legitimizes superhero movies and ensures that they will still be around for a while yet. it is not a watershed moment for marvel or the genre because the film is not earning it on merit. the awards will never nominate any other film again unless the cast is black and is pushed by the disney or machine. so it is not a watershed a moment.
The reality is BP is devaluing the genre because it is sending a message that the genre is so useless that you can only get this things when you make it about race and diversity and have a pr machine like disney not on excellent film craft and awards are meant to be about excellent film craft. BP is not excellent film craft. it is a generic mcu movie like the others and those were all ignored so why is this getting not ignored? be honest.
John Campea put it best and he is more of a mcu fan and even he thinks this recognition is a scam and is hurting back panther in the eyes of the public instead of helping it.
funny, black panther is getting all this attention and notice most are are ignoring but desperate mcu fans, people are not taking it seriously because we all know it is scam and has nothing to do with the best of films.
also, many first man fans are getting annoyed and can you blame them when this is by light years a better movie and BP stole its place because of the race baiting.
awards are only meaningful when you earn it on merit. BP so far is meaningless. since race baiting is what is earning it.
Tell me, in the case of the Golden Globes, who decides what is meritorious? |
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Post by havenless on Dec 11, 2018 20:47:22 GMT
it is not a watershed moment for marvel or the genre because the film is not earning it on merit. the awards will never nominate any other film again unless the cast is black and is pushed by the disney or machine. so it is not a watershed a moment.
The reality is BP is devaluing the genre because it is sending a message that the genre is so useless that you can only get this things when you make it about race and diversity and have a pr machine like disney not on excellent film craft and awards are meant to be about excellent film craft. BP is not excellent film craft. it is a generic mcu movie like the others and those were all ignored so why is this getting not ignored? be honest.
John Campea put it best and he is more of a mcu fan and even he thinks this recognition is a scam and is hurting back panther in the eyes of the public instead of helping it.
funny, black panther is getting all this attention and notice most are are ignoring but desperate mcu fans, people are not taking it seriously because we all know it is scam and has nothing to do with the best of films.
also, many first man fans are getting annoyed and can you blame them when this is by light years a better movie and BP stole its place because of the race baiting.
awards are only meaningful when you earn it on merit. BP so far is meaningless. since race baiting is what is earning it.
Tell me, in the case of the Golden Globes, who decides what is meritorious? ONLY black people and white-hating caucasian liberals. Right? |
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Dec 11, 2018 20:53:58 GMT
I don't understand why some don't want to see Black Panther nominated for a Best Picture Oscar? Think about what a nomination could do for the comic book movie genre. For years, the Academy has had an extreme bias against comic book movies. Sure, they've rewarded and nominated several comic book movies in the past, but they haven't for a major award until Heath Ledger for Supporting Actor. They've had chances to nominate comic book movies (The Dark Knight, Deadpool, Logan), but have not gone through with it yet. A Best Picture nomination for Black Panther would be great for not just Disney/Marvel, but for DC and Fox as well. They will finally start nominating comic book movies now that they don't have a bias. If you're a comic book fan, you want Black Panther to be nominated for an Oscar. But why don't you? Is it because it's part of the MCU? DC was the first to have an acting nomination/win, and Fox was the first to have a writing nomination, so why can't you let Marvel have this milestone?
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Post by politicidal on Dec 11, 2018 22:47:36 GMT
I don't understand why some don't want to see Black Panther nominated for a Best Picture Oscar? Think about what a nomination could do for the comic book movie genre. For years, the Academy has had an extreme bias against comic book movies. Sure, they've rewarded and nominated several comic book movies in the past, but they haven't for a major award until Heath Ledger for Supporting Actor. They've had chances to nominate comic book movies (The Dark Knight, Deadpool, Logan), but have not gone through with it yet. A Best Picture nomination for Black Panther would be great for not just Disney/Marvel, but for DC and Fox as well. They will finally start nominating comic book movies now that they don't have a bias. If you're a comic book fan, you want Black Panther to be nominated for an Oscar. But why don't you? Is it because it's part of the MCU? DC was the first to have an acting nomination/win, and Fox was the first to have a writing nomination, so why can't you let Marvel have this milestone? The answers come down to two words: Marvel and Disney. |
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Post by bud47 on Dec 11, 2018 23:02:41 GMT
I don't understand why some don't want to see Black Panther nominated for a Best Picture Oscar? Think about what a nomination could do for the comic book movie genre. For years, the Academy has had an extreme bias against comic book movies. Sure, they've rewarded and nominated several comic book movies in the past, but they haven't for a major award until Heath Ledger for Supporting Actor. They've had chances to nominate comic book movies (The Dark Knight, Deadpool, Logan), but have not gone through with it yet. A Best Picture nomination for Black Panther would be great for not just Disney/Marvel, but for DC and Fox as well. They will finally start nominating comic book movies now that they don't have a bias. If you're a comic book fan, you want Black Panther to be nominated for an Oscar. But why don't you? Is it because it's part of the MCU? DC was the first to have an acting nomination/win, and Fox was the first to have a writing nomination, so why can't you let Marvel have this milestone? Success breeds contempt. Disney and the MCU is the king of the mountain right now and that just really pisses some people off. Everyone needs their coping mechanisms, so the haters resort to petty insults, needless nitpicking and futile protesting to ease their minds. |
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Post by charzhino on Dec 11, 2018 23:31:46 GMT
Its all pointless talk cause Black Panther is not going to get a best picture nom. I have faith the 5000+ academy members are not stupid enough to nominate it as if their ability in recognising artful films has evaporated overnight.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Dec 11, 2018 23:51:02 GMT
Its all pointless talk cause Black Panther is not going to get a best picture nom. I have faith the 5000+ academy members are not stupid enough to nominate it as if their ability in recognising artful films has evaporated overnight. I think you're wrong. The Academy's ratings have been dwindling. This year's was their lowest in 15 years. The Oscars isn't just about rewarding art, but it's also a business. How to boost up ratings? Easy, by nominating one of the most popular movies of the year. Considering that the most prestigious awards have been nominating it or putting it in their top 10 films of the year (Golden Globes, AFI, NBR), it's more and more likely that Black Panther gets nominated. |
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