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Post by The Herald Erjen on Mar 30, 2017 18:55:56 GMT
Yes, it's so easy to never be wrong when you make up answers you want that people didn't say. I'm not wrong though and haven't made up any answers. You just cast doubt on whether 20 children were actually killed at sandy hook because you're a conspiracy nut. And you're a pro-establishment stooge. So there. Got to leave for work now, but I'm sure that whatever you reply with will be worth the wait. Later.
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Post by Edward-Elizabeth-Hitler on Mar 30, 2017 18:57:34 GMT
I'm not wrong though and haven't made up any answers. You just cast doubt on whether 20 children were actually killed at sandy hook because you're a conspiracy nut. And you're a pro-establishment stooge. So there. Got to leave for work now, but I'm sure that whatever you reply with will be worth the wait. Later. You should contact the "parents" and ask whether their fake children were really killed.
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Post by general313 on Mar 30, 2017 19:15:49 GMT
Note the "(as seen by earth observers)" in my reply, the same qualification you made to "explain" the apparent motion of the moon due to the earth's "axial wobbling". The sun seems to go around the earth once every 24 hours, that's why a day is as long as it is. If the moon is a lot closer to the earth, shouldn't it seem to go around much faster (according to your novel astronomical model)? Did you drop out of school when you were eight? The earth turns every 24 hours. The moon cycles a lot slower than that, so the actual movement of the moon is like the movement of the hour hand on a clock. It only appears to move faster because.....the......earth.....is......turning. Duh. That's why the sun, moon, and stars appear to move at the same rate. Damn. Even EE Hitler would know better than to try that. Go sit in the corner and put a paper cone on your head. I'm on a fool's errand here, but what the hey... I'm not talking about the proper motion of the moon (which shifts the moonrise and moonset times by almost one hour per day). I'm talking about how the moon (discounting its proper motion), sun and stars all return to the same spot in the sky every 24 hours. (I won't get into sidereal time at the risk of further confusing the one that is projecting the need to wear a dunce cap.) Why do the stars return to the same spot in the sky every 24 hours just like the sun, even though the stars are much further away, but your "axial wobbling" causes the moon to shift noticably while the sun and stars don't? Perhaps this might help. The earth rotating on its axis is what causes the sun, moon and stars to move about the sky as observed on earth, completing a circuit every 24 hours (again discounting proper motion). Any axial wobbling would be a further rotation with similar effect on the apparent position of the moon, sun and stars. Or this... If I face the sun, then turn 180 degrees, now the sun is behind me. It will be behind me regardless of whether the sun is 30 feet away or 100 million miles away.
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Post by Cinemachinery on Mar 30, 2017 19:23:22 GMT
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Post by Cinemachinery on Mar 30, 2017 19:26:56 GMT
Did you drop out of school when you were eight? The earth turns every 24 hours. The moon cycles a lot slower than that, so the actual movement of the moon is like the movement of the hour hand on a clock. It only appears to move faster because.....the......earth.....is......turning. Duh. That's why the sun, moon, and stars appear to move at the same rate. Damn. Even EE Hitler would know better than to try that. Go sit in the corner and put a paper cone on your head. I'm on a fool's errand here, but what the hey... If only I had a way-back machine and could take you to the first few months of him posting his "moon moving" stuff. Charts were linked. A time lapse of the moon's position changing due to tilt and time of year... hell, even an 8th grade world science article phrasing it in the simplest terms possible. You can't feed steak to a belly full of McDonalds.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2017 21:48:42 GMT
The amazing thing is that all this major axial wobbling isn't changing the ratio of day:night, anywhere on Earth. Since, you know, it's the angle of the plane of rotation of the Earth to the sun that controls that ratio.
Do you suppose the sun is flying around in space in just the right manner to keep itself aligned with the Earth as it wobbles?
What could cause that, I wonder? Solar warming, perhaps?
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Post by Nostalgias4Geeks🌈 on Mar 31, 2017 5:46:07 GMT
Why would the moon hit your eye? Why would pizza hit your eye? Why would anyone call a pizza a pie?
Why??!?
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Mar 31, 2017 7:04:00 GMT
That's libel, man, and it isn't funny. Nearly everything I say is twisted by you, and you seem to think that people are obligated to believe it just because you repeated it enough times, but they aren't.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Mar 31, 2017 7:05:37 GMT
Why would the moon hit your eye? Why would pizza hit your eye? Why would anyone call a pizza a pie? Why??!? Some questions just remain unanswered no matter how much you ponder them, don't they?
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Mar 31, 2017 7:11:05 GMT
Did you drop out of school when you were eight? The earth turns every 24 hours. The moon cycles a lot slower than that, so the actual movement of the moon is like the movement of the hour hand on a clock. It only appears to move faster because.....the......earth.....is......turning. Duh. That's why the sun, moon, and stars appear to move at the same rate. Damn. Even EE Hitler would know better than to try that. Go sit in the corner and put a paper cone on your head. I'm on a fool's errand here, but what the hey... I'm not talking about the proper motion of the moon (which shifts the moonrise and moonset times by almost one hour per day). I'm talking about how the moon (discounting its proper motion), sun and stars all return to the same spot in the sky every 24 hours. (I won't get into sidereal time at the risk of further confusing the one that is projecting the need to wear a dunce cap.) Why do the stars return to the same spot in the sky every 24 hours just like the sun, even though the stars are much further away, but your "axial wobbling" causes the moon to shift noticably while the sun and stars don't? Perhaps this might help. The earth rotating on its axis is what causes the sun, moon and stars to move about the sky as observed on earth, completing a circuit every 24 hours (again discounting proper motion). Any axial wobbling would be a further rotation with similar effect on the apparent position of the moon, sun and stars. Or this... If I face the sun, then turn 180 degrees, now the sun is behind me. It will be behind me regardless of whether the sun is 30 feet away or 100 million miles away. Well now, it stands to reason that the closer the object it, the more perceptible it's misplacement will be, and the moon is much closer than the sun, and much, much much closer than the stars, yes?
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Mar 31, 2017 7:13:53 GMT
The amazing thing is that all this major axial wobbling isn't changing the ratio of day:night, anywhere on Earth. Since, you know, it's the angle of the plane of rotation of the Earth to the sun that controls that ratio. Do you suppose the sun is flying around in space in just the right manner to keep itself aligned with the Earth as it wobbles? What could cause that, I wonder? Solar warming, perhaps? Nothing too amazing about it, as the sun is so much further away than the moon, and the changing of the ratio would only amount to a few minutes.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Mar 31, 2017 7:16:06 GMT
And you're a pro-establishment stooge. So there. Got to leave for work now, but I'm sure that whatever you reply with will be worth the wait. Later. You should contact the "parents" and ask whether their fake children were really killed. Why don't you do that and let me know what you find out, since you've got Sandy Hook on the brain these days.
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Post by puvo on Mar 31, 2017 8:16:14 GMT
Well, no need to collate, the moon is tidally locked to the earth. That is a fact. You will not find a single astronomer who says anything different. You did not see a different part of the moon, because it is tidally locked. You were mistaken about that, just as you are mistaken about what is the normal variance of moon rise and set positions. It isn't normal. Were these questions too difficult for you?
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Post by Vegas on Mar 31, 2017 8:17:23 GMT
Warren Zevon was awesome! I was previously unfamiliar with that song. Thanks for posting.
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Post by Cinemachinery on Mar 31, 2017 8:27:52 GMT
Erhmugerd. We disagree over your early posting topics. ACTIVATE LITIGIOUS TERMINOLOGY!
Definitely. Somehow people are obliged to believe my posts. Or something.
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Post by cupcakes on Mar 31, 2017 10:18:51 GMT
tpfkar Which are you talking about? Your drinking that you've bragged about loads, or the fact that you become recognizably more erratic and libelous every time you drown in it? Okay, I can't throw stones when it comes to drunken posts, but so far there's been nothing I was embarrassed enough to self-delete.
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Post by puvo on Mar 31, 2017 10:27:12 GMT
Erhmugerd. We disagree over your early posting topics. ACTIVATE LITIGIOUS TERMINOLOGY! Definitely. Somehow people are obliged to believe my posts. Or something. Yeah, there was no talk of axis wobble in the original moon shift thread. It was, however, the thread that included this gem about you: "Cine is finished for a while at least. The King of Liars told one lie too many. Too bad I can't wipe him off the face of the earth, but I can wipe him off the face of the IMDb, and he knows the penalty for failure."
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2017 11:51:02 GMT
The amazing thing is that all this major axial wobbling isn't changing the ratio of day:night, anywhere on Earth. Since, you know, it's the angle of the plane of rotation of the Earth to the sun that controls that ratio. Do you suppose the sun is flying around in space in just the right manner to keep itself aligned with the Earth as it wobbles? What could cause that, I wonder? Solar warming, perhaps? Nothing too amazing about it, as the sun is so much further away than the moon, and the changing of the ratio would only amount to a few minutes. For the actual wobble of the Earth's axis, which amounts to a few feet, that is true. But if the variance was many degrees, as your youtuber suggests, then the variance would be far larger. If the axis wobbled by say ten degrees then a thousand mile wide band of latitude would suddenly get no daylight at all - and another thousand mile band would get only daylight. And yet nobody is noticing this. As always, the amusing part of this is that even minor effects would be very noticeable. There are tens of thousands of amateur astronomers who observe the skies constantly, and would observe and report even small changes. These are not people on any government payroll - they're just ordinary people who have bought a telescope and joined a local club. Plus who knows how many tens of thousands who use the stars for navigation, who keep track of the tides, the sunrises and sunsets, etc. And none of them have noticed anything strange. And that's just for the minor changes. Your sources tend to suggest things like extra planets, ten or twenty degree shifts in the Earth's axis of rotation, etc. The effects of such things would be planet-wide, and extremely obvious to everybody. Yet nobody ever sees them. It's as if they weren't happening at all and your youtubers were just badly confused about the facts.
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Post by puvo on Mar 31, 2017 12:50:47 GMT
Nothing too amazing about it, as the sun is so much further away than the moon, and the changing of the ratio would only amount to a few minutes. For the actual wobble of the Earth's axis, which amounts to a few feet, that is true. But if the variance was many degrees, as your youtuber suggests, then the variance would be far larger. If the axis wobbled by say ten degrees then a thousand mile wide band of latitude would suddenly get no daylight at all - and another thousand mile band would get only daylight. And yet nobody is noticing this. As always, the amusing part of this is that even minor effects would be very noticeable. There are tens of thousands of amateur astronomers who observe the skies constantly, and would observe and report even small changes. These are not people on any government payroll - they're just ordinary people who have bought a telescope and joined a local club. Plus who knows how many tens of thousands who use the stars for navigation, who keep track of the tides, the sunrises and sunsets, etc. And none of them have noticed anything strange. And that's just for the minor changes. Your sources tend to suggest things like extra planets, ten or twenty degree shifts in the Earth's axis of rotation, etc. The effects of such things would be planet-wide, and extremely obvious to everybody. Yet nobody ever sees them. It's as if they weren't happening at all and your youtubers were just badly confused about the facts. Dont forget, erjen also noticed he was seeing a different 'face' of the moon, meaning it is no longer tidally locked with earth. Well, at least for a while it wasn't tidally locked, as it is back to the same side we have always seen. Nobody else noticed though....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2017 13:10:30 GMT
How many people look up at the moon on a given day, do you think? A billion? Two billion? And none of them noticed.
Or maybe they DID notice. Maybe the government paid them all to keep quiet? No wonder the deficit is so high!
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