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Post by Nora on Dec 18, 2018 1:25:24 GMT
Lets say you are working on a project and then submit it for a review and get negative feedback back. You rework it, resubmit it, and still get negative feedback. Now from a different person. you take it again, rework it again, resubmit it again, and now the previous people like it or like it more, but then a new person comes into the review process and they dislike it. Like a lot. So you take it and rework it again….
I am wondering how much more of it I can take, before I start to feel like A) I am simply unable to do a job that would be satisfactory to the reviewers, and/or B) I am doing something I believe is good and I like it, so there is only so much negative feedback I should take into consideration.
I feel like its really hard to find balance between being able to absorb constructive feedback and try and improve and doing something you yourself believe is deviating from what you personally like / think is good. But you may be wrong because you are too close to it of course.
Anybody has a story of how they dealt with something similar in their lives? How much criticism are you willing to take on in your professional life?
Oh and I should mention that the feedback is from various people some more proficient in what you do, some less...
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Post by ant-mac on Dec 18, 2018 1:29:00 GMT
I believe that's directly proportional to how many punches to the face the person doing the criticising can take.
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Post by Nora on Dec 18, 2018 1:31:05 GMT
I believe that's directly proportional to how many punches to the face the person doing the criticising can take. well i like to think i can take criticism fairly well. in a way that unless i see its obviously try to hurt / attack you, perhaps for personal reasons, i listen to it, try and absorb it, and then improve. but i wonder where to draw the line… and IF to draw it at all.
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Post by ant-mac on Dec 18, 2018 1:40:25 GMT
I believe that's directly proportional to how many punches to the face the person doing the criticising can take. well i like to think i can take criticism fairly well. in a way that unless i see its obviously try to hurt / attack you, perhaps for personal reasons, i listen to it, try and absorb it, and then improve. but i wonder where to draw the line… and IF to draw it at all. To be honest, I expect it depends a lot on my personal opinion of the individual and how they approach the subject.
If I like them, or I can see they're trying their best to balance diplomacy and honesty, then I'm more likely to give them a fair hearing.
However, if I don't like them, or they rub me the wrong way, I'm more likely to tell them what I once told an ex brother-in-law...
"You can suck my dick and kiss my arse!"
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Post by poelzig on Dec 18, 2018 1:59:03 GMT
well i like to think i can take criticism fairly well. in a way that unless i see its obviously try to hurt / attack you, perhaps for personal reasons, i listen to it, try and absorb it, and then improve. but i wonder where to draw the line… and IF to draw it at all. To be honest, I expect it depends a lot on my personal opinion of the individual and how they approach the subject.
If I like them, or I can see they're trying their best to balance diplomacy and honesty, then I'm more likely to give them a fair hearing.
However, if I don't like them, or they rub me the wrong way, I'm more likely to tell them what I once told an ex brother-in-law...
"You can suck my dick and kiss my arse!"
So you either attempt to punch them or you curse and then pout? What's next? You hold your breath until that mean old person trying to improve you gives you a cookie and a trophy? If you're older than 10 that's an embarrassing thing to admit. I doubt you have ever had a real job but you're in for some harsh reality if you ever try to support yourself. Good luck. Not surprised nora agrees with you. She's desperate for attention but only wants everyone to pat her on the back. It's especially ironic and hilarious since she claims to be a well known movie critic in Belgium.
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Post by ant-mac on Dec 18, 2018 2:22:01 GMT
To be honest, I expect it depends a lot on my personal opinion of the individual and how they approach the subject.
If I like them, or I can see they're trying their best to balance diplomacy and honesty, then I'm more likely to give them a fair hearing.
However, if I don't like them, or they rub me the wrong way, I'm more likely to tell them what I once told an ex brother-in-law...
"You can suck my dick and kiss my arse!"
So you either attempt to punch them or you curse and then pout? What's next? You hold your breath until that mean old person trying to improve you gives you a cookie and a trophy? If you're older than 10 that's an embarrassing thing to admit. I doubt you have ever had a real job but you're in for some harsh reality if you ever try to support yourself. Good luck. Not surprised nora agrees with you. She's desperate for attention but only wants everyone to pat her on the back. It's especially ironic and hilarious since she claims to be a well known movie critic in Belgium. 1. Humour isn't one of your strong suites, is it?
Which is rather surprising, considering what a joke you are.
2. Ah, so you're one of those sad little incels I keep hearing about...
That explains so much.
What's wrong? Not getting your regular "entitlement"?
PS - I no longer need to work. I own my own house, cars and so forth outright. I have a steady income and the only bills I receive are the regular ones. Utilities, vehicle registration, vehicle and property insurance and so on. I'm certainly not rich, but I get by...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2018 2:45:30 GMT
I happen to have video of the last time I received some constructive criticism at work. I took it better than last time:
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Post by Pep Streebeck on Dec 18, 2018 2:53:25 GMT
I can take a ton! More by the day. I think that is why I still go!
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Post by Nora on Dec 18, 2018 3:02:02 GMT
I happen to have video of the last time I received some constructive criticism at work. I took it better than last time: )) well i have been back and forth with the review process now for about 3 weeks. most of the ideas/suggestions for improvements were good, in a way i could see how it helped the project overall, so I accepted it and changed it the way it was suggested. i think i struggle with the fact that what has already been improved and I felt like it was good now, has now been criticized (along with some new things) by the new reviewer. I still took it as a helping hand, and accepted 4 out of the 5 points they raised. On the 5th one I "put my foot down" (I strongly believe that this particular thing is very good so dont want to change it). But I do have second thoughts on point 3. I know not many people other than me and a fairly small group of likeminded people/niche group would like it, and it may even annoy the majority people, but somehow it grew close to my heart. I guess I will try and look to Paul Dano, who had said that letting go of the things you creatively may like the best, but they are not right (for one reason or another) may be the hardest part, (but you should be able to "kill your darlings"). I just dont want to have to kill them all.
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Post by them1ghtyhumph on Dec 18, 2018 3:07:10 GMT
It's been over 22 years since I've worked.
I did not take criticism well.
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Post by poelzig on Dec 18, 2018 3:10:39 GMT
So you either attempt to punch them or you curse and then pout? What's next? You hold your breath until that mean old person trying to improve you gives you a cookie and a trophy? If you're older than 10 that's an embarrassing thing to admit. I doubt you have ever had a real job but you're in for some harsh reality if you ever try to support yourself. Good luck. Not surprised nora agrees with you. She's desperate for attention but only wants everyone to pat her on the back. It's especially ironic and hilarious since she claims to be a well known movie critic in Belgium. 1. Humour isn't one of your strong suites, is it?
Which is rather surprising, considering what a joke you are.
2. Ah, so you're one of those sad little incels I keep hearing about...
That explains so much.
What's wrong? Not getting your regular "entitlement"?
PS - I no longer need to work. I own my own house, cars and so forth outright. I have a steady income and the only bills I receive are the regular ones. Utilities, vehicle registration, vehicle and property insurance and so on. I'm certainly not rich, but I get by...
I point out the obvious fact that you're a spoiled little brat that can't take criticism and suddenly you're "joking"? Not just once but twice?!!! You do realize you're just proving my point, right? Of course you don't or you wouldn't..... Never mind. You're one of those never ending number of kids on the internet that is magically independently wealthy. I've known a LOT of business owners like myself and EVERY one of us have to remain heavily involved to keep things going smoothly. Oddly you internet kids with your magic income can punch and curse people and never worry about anything. It's almost like a storybook "job" a little kid who has never worked would create. How fortunate you are. I don't keep up with the latest pejoratives or slurs so I have no idea what an incel is but you seem to be familiar with whatever it takes to be one.
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Post by Nora on Dec 18, 2018 3:11:20 GMT
It's been over 22 years since I've worked. I did not take criticism well. so what did you do, when you received criticism? i think most people struggle with it, who likes to be criticized, right? for me whats somehow different is when someone criticizes something i on some level know i didn't do a good enough job or worked hard enough at it, vs when someone criticizes something i have devoted my full attention to, for a long time. they still may be right, but sometimes its just hard to tell. and even harder to accept
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Post by them1ghtyhumph on Dec 18, 2018 3:13:31 GMT
It's been over 22 years since I've worked. I did not take criticism well. so what did you do, when you received criticism? i think most people struggle with it, who likes to be criticized, right? for me whats somehow different is when someone criticizes something i on some level know i didn't do a good enough job or worked hard enough at it, vs when someone criticizes something i have devoted my full attention to, for a long time. they still may be right, but sometimes its just hard to tell. and even harder to accept I argued about it.
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Post by ant-mac on Dec 18, 2018 4:19:57 GMT
1. Humour isn't one of your strong suites, is it?
Which is rather surprising, considering what a joke you are.
2. Ah, so you're one of those sad little incels I keep hearing about...
That explains so much.
What's wrong? Not getting your regular "entitlement"?
PS - I no longer need to work. I own my own house, cars and so forth outright. I have a steady income and the only bills I receive are the regular ones. Utilities, vehicle registration, vehicle and property insurance and so on. I'm certainly not rich, but I get by...
I point out the obvious fact that you're a spoiled little brat that can't take criticism and suddenly you're "joking"? Not just once but twice?!!! You do realize you're just proving my point, right? Of course you don't or you wouldn't..... Never mind. You're one of those never ending number of kids on the internet that is magically independently wealthy. I've known a LOT of business owners like myself and EVERY one of us have to remain heavily involved to keep things going smoothly. Oddly you internet kids with your magic income can punch and curse people and never worry about anything. It's almost like a storybook "job" a little kid who has never worked would create. How fortunate you are. I don't keep up with the latest pejoratives or slurs so I have no idea what an incel is but you seem to be familiar with whatever it takes to be one. 1. I see you missed the emoticon from my first post. You know the one that gives a big wink. I can't speak for your country or culture, but in mine a wink is often an indication - amongst other things - that a person is not being entirely serious. Or did all of that go straight over your head? Not surprising...
I didn't add an emoticon to my second post, but yes, it was intended to be in the same spirit and style as the first one. I was reasonably serious for the first couple of sentences, but ended with a bit of a giggle. Although the incident I described actually did happen.
And you sound very annoyed and upset by all these kids on the internet that are "magically independently wealthy". Do they remind you of all your failures? Or do they just make you feel like an underachiever? By the way, if you'd been paying attention to my previous post, you'd have noted I said, "I'm certainly not rich, but I get by." What part of that sentence are you having difficulty in understanding?
And exactly what's an "internet kid"? Are you referring to my son's generation? Because when I was a kid back in the 1970s, I didn't have the internet. I also made it all of the way through the 1980s and the 1990s without any need for the it. Thank you for the mixed compliment of assuming I'm a youth, but it's been approximately 30 years since I was a teenager.
So, why's it so difficult to believe about someone who - after 30 years of effort and a little good fortune - no longer needs to work, owns all of their property and possessions outright and has enough of an income to cover a modest, relaxed and fairly simple lifestyle? I own an average house, I own a couple of average cars and I own a lot of average - but in my opinion desirable - possessions. My days of raising a family are behind me and I now have a lot of spare time to have fun in.
I suppose you're right. I am rather fortunate. Lucky me!
2. I can't be bothered making much of an effort in keeping up with the latest language trends, but I was watching a clip on YouTube where the term "incel" was mentioned and explained. Apparently, it's a portmanteau of involuntary celibates. It seems they're members of an online subculture who define themselves as being unable to find a romantic or sexual partner despite desiring one, a state they describe as inceldom.
Perhaps these are the "internet kids" you were speaking of earlier?
Personally, I found the fact that the word is a portmanteau to be the most interesting aspect of the whole affair.
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Post by Ass_E9 on Dec 18, 2018 4:35:10 GMT
I am grateful for the creative freedom I have been given for the most part, so I am OK with the rare occasion when a colleague wants multiple revisions on a project. I consider him or her a "client" in a sense, and I want that individual to be happy with the final product, even if it may deviate from my original vision. And I get paid either way.
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Post by Nora on Dec 18, 2018 4:44:18 GMT
I am grateful for the creative freedom I have been given for the most part, so I am OK with the rare occasion when a colleague wants multiple revisions on a project. I consider him or her a "client" in a sense, and I want that individual to be happy with the final product, even if it may deviate from my original vision. And I get paid either way. oh i like that approach, considering the reviewer a client. even though i woudlnt change things endlessly for them/or any client, adopting that perspective might help me shift my mental focus from the fact they dont like something to the fact that they are showing me their preferred way of things which is always good to learn about a client, what they want and like.
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Post by Raimo47 on Dec 18, 2018 13:54:19 GMT
I'm willing to take lots of constructive criticism, but if somebody tries to bully me, I will retaliate.
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Post by James on Dec 18, 2018 17:31:32 GMT
There’s a limit to how much I can take.
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Post by Ass_E9 on Dec 18, 2018 18:08:07 GMT
There’s a limit to how much I can take.
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Post by Nora on Dec 18, 2018 19:06:41 GMT
I'm willing to take lots of constructive criticism, but if somebody tries to bully me, I will retaliate. I am fairly bad at retaliating, or lets say cannot remember ever having done so, but then again, i have not ever experienced being bullied at work (i understand that is me being very fortunate). This is more about at which point - if at all - should one either give up or resist by standing up for their work. I think I have about one more round of critical review in me, then I will most likely accept that I don't necessarily place the same values on the same things/in the same ways as the reviewers on move on, knowing I have done my best.
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