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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 31, 2017 3:08:47 GMT
Yeah. I still can't stand how they made a big deal about him representing hope, yet there was nothing hopeful about his outlook or his actions. That's what happens when you hire someone with nihilistic viewpoints to make a Superman movie and then an Cinematic Universe. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Mar 31, 2017 14:22:40 GMT
Could this turn the tide for DC? Could DC once again be the dominant superhero movie brand (as it was from the late-70s until the day The Avengers was released, in my view) by 2020? Bearing in mind everything -- everything! -- the MCU's done has been prologue to a two-part mega movie extravaganza the scope and like of which we've never seen before on the big screen. It's going to be an interesting few years. Don't you mean until Spider-man came out? DC fell off the map when they made Steel. WB kept it going with The Matrix (not comic book but was a superhero movie). Whedon doing Batgirl could give DC momentum, but I don't think Batgirl could turn them around. Not with Snyder using the big guns. Him doing an awesome Teen Titans movie (or even Young Justice) could counter Snyder. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Mar 31, 2017 14:32:12 GMT
Yeah. I still can't stand how they made a big deal about him representing hope, yet there was nothing hopeful about his outlook or his actions. To be fair, he never said he was about hope. He just said the symbol meant hope. He even made a face like "I guess" when he said it. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 31, 2017 14:34:01 GMT
Could this turn the tide for DC? Could DC once again be the dominant superhero movie brand (as it was from the late-70s until the day The Avengers was released, in my view) by 2020? Bearing in mind everything -- everything! -- the MCU's done has been prologue to a two-part mega movie extravaganza the scope and like of which we've never seen before on the big screen. It's going to be an interesting few years. Don't you mean until Spider-man came out? DC fell off the map when they made Steel. WB kept it going with The Matrix (not comic book but was a superhero movie). Whedon doing Batgirl could give DC momentum, but I don't think Batgirl could turn them around. Not with Snyder using the big guns. Him doing an awesome Teen Titans movie (or even Young Justice) could counter Snyder. How much does WB interfere with their DCEU movies compared to MCU? |
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Post by PreachCaleb on Mar 31, 2017 14:47:56 GMT
Yeah. I still can't stand how they made a big deal about him representing hope, yet there was nothing hopeful about his outlook or his actions. To be fair, he never said he was about hope. He just said the symbol meant hope. He even made a face like "I guess" when he said it. Except, don't both Jor-El and Zod mention he's the only hope for Krypton's survival? The character may not say it himself, but the movie is certainly pointing to him representing/symbolizing hope. But he doesn't really do anything hopeful. For Earth or Krypton. |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 31, 2017 16:03:47 GMT
Could this turn the tide for DC? Could DC once again be the dominant superhero movie brand (as it was from the late-70s until the day The Avengers was released, in my view) by 2020? Bearing in mind everything -- everything! -- the MCU's done has been prologue to a two-part mega movie extravaganza the scope and like of which we've never seen before on the big screen. It's going to be an interesting few years. Don't you mean until Spider-man came out? Nope. In my view the Chistopher Reeve Superman films cemented DC as the premiere comic book studio brand; this continued essentially unopposed through the 90s and through the Nolan trilogy, at which point they were supplanted by MCU. Spider-Man, while a personal favorite, did not lead to much more in and of itself in the way of success except a single profitable sequel and another three that basically everyone hated and that underperformed, hence why Sony threw their hands up and made their Faustian bargain with Disney. Again, these are just my personal perceptions of the industry. DC has always been the hegemonic power; now it's Marvel. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Mar 31, 2017 16:37:53 GMT
To be fair, he never said he was about hope. He just said the symbol meant hope. He even made a face like "I guess" when he said it. Except, don't both Jor-El and Zod mention he's the only hope for Krypton's survival? The character may not say it himself, but the movie is certainly pointing to him representing/symbolizing hope. But he doesn't really do anything hopeful. For Earth or Krypton. But that's what I'm saying. He is not about hope like any other version of Superman. Like you said, everyone else is placing that on him. They just had some stuff that goes with the Superman mythos for some story then threw it all out the window for some "awesome!" action. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Mar 31, 2017 16:39:26 GMT
Don't you mean until Spider-man came out? DC fell off the map when they made Steel. WB kept it going with The Matrix (not comic book but was a superhero movie). Whedon doing Batgirl could give DC momentum, but I don't think Batgirl could turn them around. Not with Snyder using the big guns. Him doing an awesome Teen Titans movie (or even Young Justice) could counter Snyder. How much does WB interfere with their DCEU movies compared to MCU? Way more. They pretty much made a new movie out of Suicide Squad. |
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Post by PreachCaleb on Mar 31, 2017 16:41:27 GMT
Except, don't both Jor-El and Zod mention he's the only hope for Krypton's survival? The character may not say it himself, but the movie is certainly pointing to him representing/symbolizing hope. But he doesn't really do anything hopeful. For Earth or Krypton. But that's what I'm saying. He is not about hope like any other version of Superman. Like you said, everyone else is placing that on him. They just had some stuff that goes with the Superman mythos for some story then threw it all out the window for some "awesome!" action. Oh, I absolutely agree with that. It just shows the weakness in the writing. That if a certain element or theme is introduced, it needs to be paid off in some way. Or at least explored. I'm not blaming the character for not being hopeful. I'm blaming the filmmakers. |
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