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Post by NormanClature on Dec 20, 2018 12:50:36 GMT
It's actually doing a bit worse than TIH at the moment given that more than 50% of top critics gave that a pass.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Dec 20, 2018 15:51:15 GMT
I can't say how I feel about it until I see the movie. I'll be seeing it on Saturday.
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Post by No Morpho, Only Bánh mì on Dec 20, 2018 15:57:11 GMT
If TIH came out now, at this point, how would it be rated? 🤔
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Post by scabab on Dec 20, 2018 16:00:03 GMT
Odd to be honest. Aquaman was definitely better than those two movies so I don't know why it's on par but considering scores for the other three DCEU movies not named Wonder Woman then that's good in itself.
Could have easily have been rotten again.
Thor Dark World and Incredible Hulk weren't bad movies anyway, they were pretty good but I can agree with their score. Aquaman should be higher though.
It's like before where Man of Steel had a 58% but Iron Man 3 had a 80% but it was Man of Steel that won the award for best Summer movie. The IMDb scores for the two are pretty much the same but are far apart when it comes to critics.
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NormanClature
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Post by NormanClature on Dec 20, 2018 16:00:14 GMT
If TIH came out now, at this point, how would it be rated? 🤔 Initially, I'd have to assume it would be much lower and then I think about GotG2...........
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Post by Skaathar on Dec 20, 2018 18:19:54 GMT
Odd to be honest. Aquaman was definitely better than those two movies so I don't know why it's on par but considering scores for the other three DCEU movies not named Wonder Woman then that's good in itself. Could have easily have been rotten again. Thor Dark World and Incredible Hulk weren't bad movies anyway, they were pretty good but I can agree with their score. Aquaman should be higher though. It's like before where Man of Steel had a 58% but Iron Man 3 had a 80% but it was Man of Steel that won the award for best Summer movie. The IMDb scores for the two are pretty much the same but are far apart when it comes to critics. To be fair, if I were to remove my frustration with the Mandarin twist IM3 is by far a more solid movie than MOS.
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Post by scabab on Dec 20, 2018 18:34:11 GMT
To be fair, if I were to remove my frustration with the Mandarin twist IM3 is by far a more solid movie than MOS. Even then I'd still have a problem with Killian being a Jim Carrey Riddler rip off, the annoying kid and the whole final battle sequence with the different Iron Man which seemed like it was done just to sell toys. I didn't dislike the film but I don't think it deserved being 22% higher than Man of Steel. I think had he not snapped Zoe's neck it would have been higher.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Dec 21, 2018 3:53:06 GMT
It's actually doing a bit worse than TIH at the moment given that more than 50% of top critics gave that a pass. Personally I think its insanity. There's no fucking way in hell that Aquaman rates as low as The Incredible Hulk or Thor the Dark World. It tops both those movies in EVERY way.
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Dec 21, 2018 5:06:09 GMT
I haven’t even seen Aquaman and I find this hard to believe.
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Post by DC-Fan on Dec 21, 2018 5:49:41 GMT
It's actually doing a bit worse than TIH at the moment given that more than 50% of top critics gave that a pass. Personally I think its insanity. There's no fucking way in hell that Aquaman rates as low as The Incredible Hulk or Thor the Dark World. It tops both those movies in EVERY way. This further confirms that critics are biased in favor of MCU. MCU movies are always over-rated because of critic bias in favor of MCU.
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Post by havenless on Dec 21, 2018 6:00:18 GMT
Odd to be honest. Aquaman was definitely better than those two movies so I don't know why it's on par but considering scores for the other three DCEU movies not named Wonder Woman then that's good in itself. Could have easily have been rotten again. Thor Dark World and Incredible Hulk weren't bad movies anyway, they were pretty good but I can agree with their score. Aquaman should be higher though. It's like before where Man of Steel had a 58% but Iron Man 3 had a 80% but it was Man of Steel that won the award for best Summer movie. The IMDb scores for the two are pretty much the same but are far apart when it comes to critics. What establishment presented that award?
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Post by havenless on Dec 21, 2018 6:00:56 GMT
Personally I think its insanity. There's no fucking way in hell that Aquaman rates as low as The Incredible Hulk or Thor the Dark World. It tops both those movies in EVERY way. This further confirms that critics are biased in favor of MCU. MCU movies are always over-rated because of critic bias in favor of MCU. And why is that? The problem with the more ‘out there’ conspiracy theories is they can be debunked by simply asking what the whole point is. It doesn’t matter what “tangible proof” you have. What is the basis of your theory? That you just like DC more and you can’t fathom them doing this poorly so you created an antagonist to direct your frustrations? Oh okay. Why are we being force fed the world is round if it isn’t? Why are we still being lied to about landing on the moon? It’s phenomenally harder to pay hundreds of thousands of people to lie about it than to just end the charade. Why are people giving MCU movies a thumbs up when they didn’t like them and spitting on a DCEU movie when they secretly loved it? You want to know what the silliest part is? When an MCU movie is not praised, when it doesn’t meet standards and isn’t going to be a box office darling, people point to the obvious shortcomings. The film itself. The performances of the actors, the ability of the directors, the atmosphere it creates. The same rational things every other movie ever created is judged by. But when a DCEU movie is criticized, where do people go? “Well what about the MCU...” nobody actually cares what the critic says because it’s just some conspiracy. He wrote it with blood money. Why don’t we hear this from Transformers fans? Adam Sandler fans? Fast and Furious fans? Excuses are made by people who can’t accept the hand drawn to them. You hired Amber Heard and Jason Momoa, two of the worst A-list filmographies of the last decade, to carry a 200 million dollar movie. What did you think was going to happen?
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Post by thisguy4000 on Dec 21, 2018 12:57:54 GMT
This further confirms that critics are biased in favor of MCU. MCU movies are always over-rated because of critic bias in favor of MCU. And why is that? The problem with the more ‘out there’ conspiracy theories is they can be debunked by simply asking what the whole point is. It doesn’t matter what “tangible proof” you have. What is the basis of your theory? That you just like DC more and you can’t fathom them doing this poorly so you created an antagonist to direct your frustrations? Oh okay. Why are we being force fed the world is round if it isn’t? Why are we still being lied to about landing on the moon? It’s phenomenally harder to pay hundreds of thousands of people to lie about it than to just end the charade. Why are people giving MCU movies a thumbs up when they didn’t like them and spitting on a DCEU movie when they secretly loved it? You want to know what the silliest part is? When an MCU movie is not praised, when it doesn’t meet standards and isn’t going to be a box office darling, people point to the obvious shortcomings. The film itself. The performances of the actors, the ability of the directors, the atmosphere it creates. The same rational things every other movie ever created is judged by. But when a DCEU movie is criticized, where do people go? “Well what about the MCU...” nobody actually cares what the critic says because it’s just some conspiracy. He wrote it with blood money. Why don’t we hear this from Transformers fans? Adam Sandler fans? Fast and Furious fans? Excuses are made by people who can’t accept the hand drawn to them. You hired Amber Heard and Jason Momoa, two of the worst A-list filmographies of the last decade, to carry a 200 million dollar movie. What did you think was going to happen? Didn’t people get notoriously upset when the first negative review for Black Panther was posted? Also, weren’t you rooting for the film? Why the sudden change?
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Post by DC-Fan on Dec 21, 2018 14:05:56 GMT
This further confirms that critics are biased in favor of MCU. MCU movies are always over-rated because of critic bias in favor of MCU. And why is that? The problem with the more ‘out there’ conspiracy theories is they can be debunked by simply asking what the whole point is. It doesn’t matter what “tangible proof” you have. What is the basis of your theory? That you just like DC more and you can’t fathom them doing this poorly so you created an antagonist to direct your frustrations? Oh okay. Why are we being force fed the world is round if it isn’t? Why are we still being lied to about landing on the moon? It’s phenomenally harder to pay hundreds of thousands of people to lie about it than to just end the charade. Why are people giving MCU movies a thumbs up when they didn’t like them and spitting on a DCEU movie when they secretly loved it? You want to know what the silliest part is? When an MCU movie is not praised, when it doesn’t meet standards and isn’t going to be a box office darling, people point to the obvious shortcomings. The film itself. The performances of the actors, the ability of the directors, the atmosphere it creates. The same rational things every other movie ever created is judged by. But when a DCEU movie is criticized, where do people go? “Well what about the MCU...” nobody actually cares what the critic says because it’s just some conspiracy. He wrote it with blood money. Why don’t we hear this from Transformers fans? Adam Sandler fans? Fast and Furious fans? Excuses are made by people who can’t accept the hand drawn to them. You hired Amber Heard and Jason Momoa, two of the worst A-list filmographies of the last decade, to carry a 200 million dollar movie. What did you think was going to happen? WTF does the world being round and the moon landing have to do with critic bias in favor of MCU? WTF does Transformers and Adam Sandler and Fast and Furious have to do with critic bias in favor of MCU? It's a well-known fact that MCU movies are over-rated by critics due to critic bias in favor of MCU. To deny that critics have any bias in favor of MCU is as ridiculous as denying that CNN is bias in favor of Democrats and liberals. In 2016, even after all the other news stations had called the election for Trump, CNN still refused to call the election for Trump. There were CNN news anchors who were complaining and whining that Trump had won. Fuck neutrality and impartiality! They were going to complain and whine because their candidate didn't win.
Bias exists in media. CNN is heavily biased in favor of Democrats and liberals. And movie critics are heavily biased in favor of MCU movies. That's why MCU movies are always over-rated by critics.
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Post by NormanClature on Dec 21, 2018 14:27:10 GMT
And why is that? The problem with the more ‘out there’ conspiracy theories is they can be debunked by simply asking what the whole point is. It doesn’t matter what “tangible proof” you have. What is the basis of your theory? That you just like DC more and you can’t fathom them doing this poorly so you created an antagonist to direct your frustrations? Oh okay. Why are we being force fed the world is round if it isn’t? Why are we still being lied to about landing on the moon? It’s phenomenally harder to pay hundreds of thousands of people to lie about it than to just end the charade. Why are people giving MCU movies a thumbs up when they didn’t like them and spitting on a DCEU movie when they secretly loved it? You want to know what the silliest part is? When an MCU movie is not praised, when it doesn’t meet standards and isn’t going to be a box office darling, people point to the obvious shortcomings. The film itself. The performances of the actors, the ability of the directors, the atmosphere it creates. The same rational things every other movie ever created is judged by. But when a DCEU movie is criticized, where do people go? “Well what about the MCU...” nobody actually cares what the critic says because it’s just some conspiracy. He wrote it with blood money. Why don’t we hear this from Transformers fans? Adam Sandler fans? Fast and Furious fans? Excuses are made by people who can’t accept the hand drawn to them. You hired Amber Heard and Jason Momoa, two of the worst A-list filmographies of the last decade, to carry a 200 million dollar movie. What did you think was going to happen? WTF does the world being round and the moon landing have to do with critic bias in favor of MCU? WTF does Transformers and Adam Sandler and Fast and Furious have to do with critic bias in favor of MCU? It's a well-known fact that MCU movies are over-rated by critics due to critic bias in favor of MCU. To deny that critics have any bias in favor of MCU is as ridiculous as denying that CNN is bias in favor of Democrats and liberals. In 2016, even after all the other news stations had called the election for Trump, CNN still refused to call the election for Trump. There were CNN news anchors who were complaining and whining that Trump had won. Fuck neutrality and impartiality! They were going to complain and whine because their candidate didn't win.
Bias exists in media. CNN is heavily biased in favor of Democrats and liberals. And movie critics are heavily biased in favor of MCU movies. That's why MCU movies are always over-rated by critics.So you agree that the DCU movies have been fairly rated then? It's just that the MCU movies have been overrated?
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Post by havenless on Dec 21, 2018 14:40:19 GMT
And why is that? The problem with the more ‘out there’ conspiracy theories is they can be debunked by simply asking what the whole point is. It doesn’t matter what “tangible proof” you have. What is the basis of your theory? That you just like DC more and you can’t fathom them doing this poorly so you created an antagonist to direct your frustrations? Oh okay. Why are we being force fed the world is round if it isn’t? Why are we still being lied to about landing on the moon? It’s phenomenally harder to pay hundreds of thousands of people to lie about it than to just end the charade. Why are people giving MCU movies a thumbs up when they didn’t like them and spitting on a DCEU movie when they secretly loved it? You want to know what the silliest part is? When an MCU movie is not praised, when it doesn’t meet standards and isn’t going to be a box office darling, people point to the obvious shortcomings. The film itself. The performances of the actors, the ability of the directors, the atmosphere it creates. The same rational things every other movie ever created is judged by. But when a DCEU movie is criticized, where do people go? “Well what about the MCU...” nobody actually cares what the critic says because it’s just some conspiracy. He wrote it with blood money. Why don’t we hear this from Transformers fans? Adam Sandler fans? Fast and Furious fans? Excuses are made by people who can’t accept the hand drawn to them. You hired Amber Heard and Jason Momoa, two of the worst A-list filmographies of the last decade, to carry a 200 million dollar movie. What did you think was going to happen? WTF does the world being round and the moon landing have to do with critic bias in favor of MCU? WTF does Transformers and Adam Sandler and Fast and Furious have to do with critic bias in favor of MCU? It's a well-known fact that MCU movies are over-rated by critics due to critic bias in favor of MCU. To deny that critics have any bias in favor of MCU is as ridiculous as denying that CNN is bias in favor of Democrats and liberals. In 2016, even after all the other news stations had called the election for Trump, CNN still refused to call the election for Trump. There were CNN news anchors who were complaining and whining that Trump had won. Fuck neutrality and impartiality! They were going to complain and whine because their candidate didn't win.
Bias exists in media. CNN is heavily biased in favor of Democrats and liberals. And movie critics are heavily biased in favor of MCU movies. That's why MCU movies are always over-rated by critics.It’s related to faking the moon landing and the flats earthers because it’s a bunch of bull. An alternate complaint that’d be warranted is that Marvel has a “appeal to all ages, don’t upset the masses” formula. They play it safe. Each individual movie is rated fairly, the problem seems to be people are miffed they’ve made so many ina row that aren’t stinkers. Watching CNN and noticing that the people there don’t report news objectively is factual. Saying a movie isn’t as good as someone else thought it was is entirely subjective. Because you don’t like a certain cookie cutter basis that clicks for general audience doesn’t automatically make to bad. Marvel’s reviews aren’t that it’s the best ever, they’re that people won’t hate them. RT is a “what’s the odds I’ll hate this movie” site. You can enjoy a Snyder film, but to claim it’s built to appeal to all ages/points of view/both genders you know isn’t entirely correct. Marvel makes cornbread while DC makes incredible Jalapeño loaf when 1/2 the world can’t handle spicy food is fair. People going into Marvel movies with most of their positive review already written is stupid.
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Post by havenless on Dec 21, 2018 14:44:21 GMT
And why is that? The problem with the more ‘out there’ conspiracy theories is they can be debunked by simply asking what the whole point is. It doesn’t matter what “tangible proof” you have. What is the basis of your theory? That you just like DC more and you can’t fathom them doing this poorly so you created an antagonist to direct your frustrations? Oh okay. Why are we being force fed the world is round if it isn’t? Why are we still being lied to about landing on the moon? It’s phenomenally harder to pay hundreds of thousands of people to lie about it than to just end the charade. Why are people giving MCU movies a thumbs up when they didn’t like them and spitting on a DCEU movie when they secretly loved it? You want to know what the silliest part is? When an MCU movie is not praised, when it doesn’t meet standards and isn’t going to be a box office darling, people point to the obvious shortcomings. The film itself. The performances of the actors, the ability of the directors, the atmosphere it creates. The same rational things every other movie ever created is judged by. But when a DCEU movie is criticized, where do people go? “Well what about the MCU...” nobody actually cares what the critic says because it’s just some conspiracy. He wrote it with blood money. Why don’t we hear this from Transformers fans? Adam Sandler fans? Fast and Furious fans? Excuses are made by people who can’t accept the hand drawn to them. You hired Amber Heard and Jason Momoa, two of the worst A-list filmographies of the last decade, to carry a 200 million dollar movie. What did you think was going to happen? Didn’t people get notoriously upset when the first negative review for Black Panther was posted? Also, weren’t you rooting for the film? Why the sudden change? I hadn’t seen it yet. You have to base a movie entirely on its merits, not on some preconceived anticipation. People saying a movie disappointed them is the dumbest thing. Why are you rating it based on something it’s not? Who is that fair to? It’s unfortunate they didn’t go out on a limb with Aquaman like they did with previous movies, really stretch the Aurier aspect. It felt like they tried to really play it safe while peiriodically becoming stylistic, but a lot of that ended up just being odd choices and falling flat. It wasn’t terrible at all, but 2/3 of critics recommending it is relatively fair.
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Post by NormanClature on Dec 21, 2018 15:10:55 GMT
WTF does the world being round and the moon landing have to do with critic bias in favor of MCU? WTF does Transformers and Adam Sandler and Fast and Furious have to do with critic bias in favor of MCU? It's a well-known fact that MCU movies are over-rated by critics due to critic bias in favor of MCU. To deny that critics have any bias in favor of MCU is as ridiculous as denying that CNN is bias in favor of Democrats and liberals. In 2016, even after all the other news stations had called the election for Trump, CNN still refused to call the election for Trump. There were CNN news anchors who were complaining and whining that Trump had won. Fuck neutrality and impartiality! They were going to complain and whine because their candidate didn't win.
Bias exists in media. CNN is heavily biased in favor of Democrats and liberals. And movie critics are heavily biased in favor of MCU movies. That's why MCU movies are always over-rated by critics.It’s related to faking the moon landing and the flats earthers because it’s a bunch of bull. An alternate complaint that’d be warranted is that Marvel has a “appeal to all ages, don’t upset the masses” formula. They play it safe. Each individual movie is rated fairly, the problem seems to be people are miffed they’ve made so many ina row that aren’t stinkers. Watching CNN and noticing that the people there don’t report news objectively is factual. Saying a movie isn’t as good as someone else thought it was is entirely subjective. Because you don’t like a certain cookie cutter basis that clicks for general audience doesn’t automatically make to bad. Marvel’s reviews aren’t that it’s the best ever, they’re that people won’t hate them. RT is a “what’s the odds I’ll hate this movie” site. You can enjoy a Snyder film, but to claim it’s built to appeal to all ages/points of view/both genders you know isn’t entirely correct. Marvel makes cornbread while DC makes incredible Jalapeño loaf when 1/2 the world can’t handle spicy food is fair. People going into Marvel movies with most of their positive review already written is stupid. I don't think I can go with the bread analogy, dude. It makes the DCU sound more like movies directed by Lars Von Trier or Takashi Miike. I'd say the MCU and DCU are like 2 buildings constructed on the opposite sides of the same street. The MCU building is built with almost regimental precision and passers by look up at it and smile as they go about their day. The DCU building is more of a ramshackle carbuncle, pieced together by a catalogue of cowboy builders, which most passers by look away from in horror while a minority of devotees raise a glass of cheer to it's unique visage.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Dec 21, 2018 15:16:52 GMT
Didn’t people get notoriously upset when the first negative review for Black Panther was posted? Also, weren’t you rooting for the film? Why the sudden change? I hadn’t seen it yet. You have to base a movie entirely on its merits, not on some preconceived anticipation. People saying a movie disappointed them is the dumbest thing. Why are you rating it based on something it’s not? Who is that fair to? It’s unfortunate they didn’t go out on a limb with Aquaman like they did with previous movies, really stretch the Aurier aspect. It felt like they tried to really play it safe while peiriodically becoming stylistic, but a lot of that ended up just being odd choices and falling flat. It wasn’t terrible at all, but 2/3 of critics recommending it is relatively fair. I was referring to your “what did you expect from a movie with Jason Momoa and Amber Heard” statement. That implies that you apparently never had high expectations for the movie to begin with, which kind of contradicts your previous posts.
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Post by havenless on Dec 21, 2018 18:12:54 GMT
I hadn’t seen it yet. You have to base a movie entirely on its merits, not on some preconceived anticipation. People saying a movie disappointed them is the dumbest thing. Why are you rating it based on something it’s not? Who is that fair to? It’s unfortunate they didn’t go out on a limb with Aquaman like they did with previous movies, really stretch the Aurier aspect. It felt like they tried to really play it safe while peiriodically becoming stylistic, but a lot of that ended up just being odd choices and falling flat. It wasn’t terrible at all, but 2/3 of critics recommending it is relatively fair. I was referring to your “what did you expect from a movie with Jason Momoa and Amber Heard” statement. That implies that you apparently never had high expectations for the movie to begin with, which kind of contradicts your previous posts. Hope can be blind and illogical I suppose.
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