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Post by hobowar on Dec 25, 2018 22:32:05 GMT
Sure they work together a bit in a scene here and there... then by and large don't feel like a team for the rest of the movie. This has been the trend since the very first X-men movie. They work together a lot, not a bit. Blink is making portals to help Bishops energy blasts. Storm is supercharging the Xjet whilst Magneto hurls it into the incoming Sentinels. Warpath is keeping lookout constantly and in the opening signals Iceman to enter on cue. Its a myth the xmen dont showcase team work. In X1, X3 and Apocalypse they used effective teamwork to win the day, and dont end up fighting each other or self destructing like the Avengers do everytime. Xmens team chemistry is superior.
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Post by hobowar on Dec 25, 2018 22:45:28 GMT
mcu fans tactics.
1. pretend not to tell
2. live in denial to the obvious
thankfully most of us live in reality.
how many times have i told you in the comics DOFP and Ultron had similar story and tone. cringe. Ultron: I'm sorry, I know you mean well, but you just didn't think it through. You want to protect the world, but you don't want it to change. How is humanity saved if it's not allowed to evolve? [picks up a destroyed drone] With these? These puppets? There's only one path to peace: the Avengers' extinction.
Ultron: I think you're confusing 'peace' with 'quiet.' To me, this was more compelling than anything the sentinels said or did, but you're welcome to tell me why I'm wrong.
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Post by charzhino on Dec 26, 2018 0:17:34 GMT
They work together a lot, not a bit. Blink is making portals to help Bishops energy blasts. Storm is supercharging the Xjet whilst Magneto hurls it into the incoming Sentinels. Warpath is keeping lookout constantly and in the opening signals Iceman to enter on cue. Its a myth the xmen dont showcase team work. In X1, X3 and Apocalypse they used effective teamwork to win the day, and dont end up fighting each other or self destructing like the Avengers do everytime. Xmens team chemistry is superior.Maybe if the Avengers arent bickering or punching the daylights out of each other, they can actually get the job done quicker. But maybe Banner is right, the Avengers are a chemical mixture that creates chaos, a timebomb. And weve seen enough evidence over and over in the films that theyre chemistry is crap because they always end up fighting each other. The xmen are portrayed as a professional, organised team. MEN not man children.
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Post by Skaathar on Dec 26, 2018 0:22:50 GMT
Maybe if the Avengers arent bickering or punching the daylights out of each other, they can actually get the job done quicker. But maybe Banner is right, the Avengers are a chemical mixture that creates chaos, a timebomb. And weve seen enough evidence over and over in the films that theyre chemistry is crap because they always end up fighting each other. The xmen are portrayed as a professional, organised team. MEN not man children. That "bickering" is what makes their team (and teamwork) feel organic and realistic. What helps bind them together. The X-men are portrayed as dull, cardboard cutout automatons of what a team is supposed to look like.
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Post by hobowar on Dec 26, 2018 0:30:55 GMT
Maybe if the Avengers arent bickering or punching the daylights out of each other, they can actually get the job done quicker. But maybe Banner is right, the Avengers are a chemical mixture that creates chaos, a timebomb. And weve seen enough evidence over and over in the films that theyre chemistry is crap because they always end up fighting each other. The xmen are portrayed as a professional, organised team. MEN not man children. So you don't like conflict? The most important part of basic storytelling. The reason why the X-Men don't generally argue is because everyone outside of Wolverine, everyone has the character depth of a lamp post.
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Post by charzhino on Dec 26, 2018 0:46:08 GMT
Inner conflict lol. You can have inner conflict without wanting to bash other peoples brains out like children. Look how X3 dealt with the cure conflict between the Xmen, through respectful dialogue. Or even how Xavier has differences with Magneto, Scott and Wolverine yet no one ends up choking one another or wrecking public airports.
Doesnt change the fact that Xmen act like adults and have better team chemistry than Avengers
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Post by Skaathar on Dec 26, 2018 1:14:34 GMT
Inner conflict lol. You can have inner conflict without wanting to bash other peoples brains out like children. Look how X3 dealt with the cure conflict between the Xmen, through respectful dialogue. Or even how Xavier has differences with Magneto, Scott and Wolverine yet no one ends up choking one another or wrecking public airports. Doesnt change the fact that Xmen act like adults and have better team chemistry than Avengers Better team chemistry than the Avengers? That has got to be one of biggest piles of bullshit I've ever heard on these forums. The X-men films do a few things better than MCU. Team chemistry is not one of them. Xavier and Magneto have differences... they talk about it. Magneto goes on to kill people... they talk about it. Magneto tried to kill all non-mutants around the world.... they talk about it. All with respective dialogue. Yey.
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Post by charzhino on Dec 26, 2018 1:26:43 GMT
Inner conflict lol. You can have inner conflict without wanting to bash other peoples brains out like children. Look how X3 dealt with the cure conflict between the Xmen, through respectful dialogue. Or even how Xavier has differences with Magneto, Scott and Wolverine yet no one ends up choking one another or wrecking public airports. Doesnt change the fact that Xmen act like adults and have better team chemistry than Avengers Better team chemistry than the Avengers? That has got to be one of biggest piles of bullshit I've ever heard on these forums. The X-men films do a few things better than MCU. Team chemistry is not one of them. Xavier and Magneto have differences... they talk about it. Magneto goes on to kill people... they talk about it. Magneto tried to kill all non-mutants around the world.... they talk about it. All with respective dialogue. Yey. Magneto has never been a member of the Xmen in the movies. Whats bullshit is your reluctance to accept the Avengers behave recklessly when they have "inner conflict". Xmen in their team films (X1, X2, X3, DOFP, Apocalypse) have worked as a team in unity to defeat the evil threat. Theres none of this petty in fighting and arguments that happens time and time again in the Avenger ensemble films which derails their missions. So yes it is a fact Xmen display better team chemistry than the Avengers.
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Post by James on Dec 26, 2018 1:28:55 GMT
Why didn't DOFP make the X-Men work together as a team like the Avengers? The Avengers didn't work together as a team. Iron Man took the nuclear missile launched by the military and used it to destroy the Chitauri mother ship Because that’s what teams do! They have to do different tasks to succeed in the overall goal.Fixed for ya.
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Post by Skaathar on Dec 26, 2018 1:48:46 GMT
Better team chemistry than the Avengers? That has got to be one of biggest piles of bullshit I've ever heard on these forums. The X-men films do a few things better than MCU. Team chemistry is not one of them. Xavier and Magneto have differences... they talk about it. Magneto goes on to kill people... they talk about it. Magneto tried to kill all non-mutants around the world.... they talk about it. All with respective dialogue. Yey. Magneto has never been a member of the Xmen in the movies. Whats bullshit is your reluctance to accept the Avengers behave recklessly when they have "inner conflict". Xmen in their team films (X1, X2, X3, DOFP, Apocalypse) have worked as a team in unity to defeat the evil threat. Theres none of this petty in fighting and arguments that happens time and time again in the Avenger ensemble films which derails their missions. So yes it is a fact Xmen display better team chemistry than the Avengers. Oh I don't deny that the Avengers sometimes behave recklessly or that their team cohesiveness is far from perfect. Heck, I might even have been persuaded to agree with you about the X-men having better team work. But better team chemistry? Yeah, no. The X-men's team chemistry is blander than vanilla. Defeating enemies one after the other as a team is not proof that they have great team chemistry. You can't really display great team chemistry when majority of the individuals on the team don't have personalities. Saying the X-men has great team chemistry is like saying a group of robots have great team chemistry.
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Post by summers8 on Dec 26, 2018 9:31:07 GMT
Because the Avengers are too weak to defeat the Sentinels and not only would New York but the entire planet would've been taken over by the Sentinels. Heck, the Avengers were too weak to even defeat the non-super-powered Chitauri and just stood around for half an hour cracking jokes and 1-liners while people were being killed, until the military saved the day by launching a nuclear missile which Iron Man was then able to use to destroy the Chitauri mother ship. Without the military launching that nuclear missile, the Avengers would've just stood around cracking jokes and 1-liners until all of Manhattan was destroyed. So when were they just cracking jokes and 1-liners? I want to see your video proof. i am bringing the party to you. dumb joke. its not a party,
hulk defeats loki for cheap laugh from the audience.
hulk randomly punches thor.people laugh in cinema
all this happening as they fight the Chitauri
overall tone for avengers was fun fun fun.
and dont even get me started on ultronbots for avengers 2. awful.
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Post by merh on Dec 26, 2018 11:06:18 GMT
posted this on the xmen forum too but I am curious to see mcu fans response.
Watching DOFP and Avengers. (the horror) when I think of how avengers is silly childish comedy. why couldn't avengers have had the chitauri be as threaten, scary and as intimidating as the future sentinels. who were just lethal, ruthless and impossible to kill. making the stakes high. Also is this a sign of MCU X-Men . as a person who reads xmen comics, I can tell you their AI robots are as lethal as they come. they are not like Chitauri or the ultronbot or ultronjokes. though that is just marvel comics. mcu dumbs it down in their films. what does this now mean for mcu xmen when disney gives them Chitauris instead of future sentinels? we know disney will find them to scary or too dark. also it will get worse when the mutants start dancing, singing and making jokes like avengers did when they fight their own AI of ultronbots and Chitauri. this stuff is a joke to DOFP. In a way its like MCU XMEN has just so many signs of failure long before it even tried.once they get more avengerish. just terrible. Thor could trash sentinels. The chitauri were Thanos's. They reflected the estimate humans were weak & thus easy to control.
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Post by charzhino on Dec 26, 2018 12:55:02 GMT
Magneto has never been a member of the Xmen in the movies. Whats bullshit is your reluctance to accept the Avengers behave recklessly when they have "inner conflict". Xmen in their team films (X1, X2, X3, DOFP, Apocalypse) have worked as a team in unity to defeat the evil threat. Theres none of this petty in fighting and arguments that happens time and time again in the Avenger ensemble films which derails their missions. So yes it is a fact Xmen display better team chemistry than the Avengers. Oh I don't deny that the Avengers sometimes behave recklessly or that their team cohesiveness is far from perfect. Heck, I might even have been persuaded to agree with you about the X-men having better team work. But better team chemistry? Yeah, no. The X-men's team chemistry is blander than vanilla. Defeating enemies one after the other as a team is not proof that they have great team chemistry. You can't really display great team chemistry when majority of the individuals on the team don't have personalities. Saying the X-men has great team chemistry is like saying a group of robots have great team chemistry. Your definition of team chemistry is all wrong. Its how well a group of people cooperate and understand each others game to become a unit instead of a team of individuals. Team Xmen is superior because they focus on the threat , there are no internal disputes that spill over. Lmao if Avengers are the pinnacle of team chemistry thank god theyre not real otherwise the earth would have toast long ago
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Dec 26, 2018 13:23:52 GMT
posted this on the xmen forum too but I am curious to see mcu fans response.
Watching DOFP and Avengers. (the horror) when I think of how avengers is silly childish comedy. why couldn't avengers have had the chitauri be as threaten, scary and as intimidating as the future sentinels. who were just lethal, ruthless and impossible to kill. making the stakes high. Because the Avengers are too weak to defeat the Sentinels and not only would New York but the entire planet would've been taken over by the Sentinels. The X-Men couldn’t defeat the Sentinels either without going back in time and stopping them from being created in the first place. It’s kind of hard to compare The Avengers to the Sentinels because the Sentinels were specifically designed to seek out and destroy mutants. Now if they were reconfigured to aim for the Avengers well then that’d be an interesting fight to see.
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Post by summers8 on Dec 26, 2018 15:07:33 GMT
posted this on the xmen forum too but I am curious to see mcu fans response.
Watching DOFP and Avengers. (the horror) when I think of how avengers is silly childish comedy. why couldn't avengers have had the chitauri be as threaten, scary and as intimidating as the future sentinels. who were just lethal, ruthless and impossible to kill. making the stakes high. Also is this a sign of MCU X-Men . as a person who reads xmen comics, I can tell you their AI robots are as lethal as they come. they are not like Chitauri or the ultronbot or ultronjokes. though that is just marvel comics. mcu dumbs it down in their films. what does this now mean for mcu xmen when disney gives them Chitauris instead of future sentinels? we know disney will find them to scary or too dark. also it will get worse when the mutants start dancing, singing and making jokes like avengers did when they fight their own AI of ultronbots and Chitauri. this stuff is a joke to DOFP. In a way its like MCU XMEN has just so many signs of failure long before it even tried.once they get more avengerish. just terrible. Thor could trash sentinels. The chitauri were Thanos's. They reflected the estimate humans were weak & thus easy to control. once again good for telling me how dumb mcu movies are. also how they dumb down cinema.
it was not about trashing. the whole purpose of DOFP was a world where the physical of brute never mattered. proving why mcu is dumb.
true thor could trash sentinels. since as i said already disney will make the sentinels as easy and silly as the chitauris who never felt like a threat because they dont want to scare kids and disney thinks comic are just fun.
that's the thing with mcu movies fighting and explosions with little story or actual drama with compelling themes that stand out.
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Post by DC-Fan on Dec 26, 2018 17:49:10 GMT
So when were they just cracking jokes and 1-liners? I want to see your video proof. i am bringing the party to you. dumb joke. its not a party,
hulk defeats loki for cheap laugh from the audience.
hulk randomly punches thor.people laugh in cinema
all this happening as they fight the Chitauri
overall tone for avengers was fun fun fun.
and dont even get me started on ultronbots for avengers 2. awful.
justanaveragejoe just got owned!
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Dec 26, 2018 18:29:36 GMT
So when were they just cracking jokes and 1-liners? I want to see your video proof. i am bringing the party to you. dumb joke. its not a party,
hulk defeats loki for cheap laugh from the audience.
hulk randomly punches thor.people laugh in cinema
all this happening as they fight the Chitauri
overall tone for avengers was fun fun fun.
and dont even get me started on ultronbots for avengers 2. awful.
1. That wasn't a joke, it wasn't even a funny line. 2. That's not an example of the Avengers cracking jokes or 1-liners, that was just a funny scene. 3. See #2. So I'm going to ask you again, when were they cracking jokes and 1-liners? That simply means one of the Avengers makes a joke, and for whatever reason, they stop fighting and just start laughing.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Dec 26, 2018 18:31:48 GMT
i am bringing the party to you. dumb joke. its not a party,
hulk defeats loki for cheap laugh from the audience.
hulk randomly punches thor.people laugh in cinema
all this happening as they fight the Chitauri
overall tone for avengers was fun fun fun.
and dont even get me started on ultronbots for avengers 2. awful.
justanaveragejoe just got owned! Oh shut up troll.
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Post by Skaathar on Dec 26, 2018 18:55:20 GMT
Oh I don't deny that the Avengers sometimes behave recklessly or that their team cohesiveness is far from perfect. Heck, I might even have been persuaded to agree with you about the X-men having better team work. But better team chemistry? Yeah, no. The X-men's team chemistry is blander than vanilla. Defeating enemies one after the other as a team is not proof that they have great team chemistry. You can't really display great team chemistry when majority of the individuals on the team don't have personalities. Saying the X-men has great team chemistry is like saying a group of robots have great team chemistry. Your definition of team chemistry is all wrong. Its how well a group of people cooperate and understand each others game to become a unit instead of a team of individuals. Team Xmen is superior because they focus on the threat , there are no internal disputes that spill over. Lmao if Avengers are the pinnacle of team chemistry thank god theyre not real otherwise the earth would have toast long ago Like I said, saying the X-men have good team chemistry is like saying a group of robots have good team chemistry. When the individuals barely have any personality, there's really no chemistry to be had.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Dec 26, 2018 20:20:40 GMT
mcu fans tactics.
1. pretend not to tell
2. live in denial to the obvious
thankfully most of us live in reality.
how many times have i told you in the comics DOFP and Ultron had similar story and tone. cringe. summers8 tactics 1. Deflect or ignore 2. Move Goalposts 3. Live in denial 4. Be a dumbass
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