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Post by summers8 on Dec 25, 2018 15:31:28 GMT
posted this on the xmen forum too but I am curious to see mcu fans response.
Watching DOFP and Avengers. (the horror) when I think of how avengers is silly childish comedy. why couldn't avengers have had the chitauri be as threaten, scary and as intimidating as the future sentinels. who were just lethal, ruthless and impossible to kill. making the stakes high. Also is this a sign of MCU X-Men . as a person who reads xmen comics, I can tell you their AI robots are as lethal as they come. they are not like Chitauri or the ultronbot or ultronjokes. though that is just marvel comics. mcu dumbs it down in their films. what does this now mean for mcu xmen when disney gives them Chitauris instead of future sentinels? we know disney will find them to scary or too dark. also it will get worse when the mutants start dancing, singing and making jokes like avengers did when they fight their own AI of ultronbots and Chitauri. this stuff is a joke to DOFP. In a way its like MCU XMEN has just so many signs of failure long before it even tried.once they get more avengerish. just terrible.
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Post by politicidal on Dec 25, 2018 16:27:41 GMT
What makes you think they’ll even revisit the Sentinels?
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Post by summers8 on Dec 25, 2018 16:35:18 GMT
What makes you think they’ll even revisit the Sentinels? if they do. we know how they will make them. clearly inferior to DOFP.
that was my point.
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Post by politicidal on Dec 25, 2018 16:40:21 GMT
What makes you think they’ll even revisit the Sentinels? if they do. we know how they will make them. clearly inferior to DOFP.
that was my point.
Really? I couldn’t tell.
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Post by DC-Fan on Dec 25, 2018 18:06:11 GMT
posted this on the xmen forum too but I am curious to see mcu fans response.
Watching DOFP and Avengers. (the horror) when I think of how avengers is silly childish comedy. why couldn't avengers have had the chitauri be as threaten, scary and as intimidating as the future sentinels. who were just lethal, ruthless and impossible to kill. making the stakes high. Because the Avengers are too weak to defeat the Sentinels and not only would New York but the entire planet would've been taken over by the Sentinels. Heck, the Avengers were too weak to even defeat the non-super-powered Chitauri and just stood around for half an hour cracking jokes and 1-liners while people were being killed, until the military saved the day by launching a nuclear missile which Iron Man was then able to use to destroy the Chitauri mother ship. Without the military launching that nuclear missile, the Avengers would've just stood around cracking jokes and 1-liners until all of Manhattan was destroyed.
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Post by Skaathar on Dec 25, 2018 18:10:12 GMT
Why didn't DOFP make the X-Men work together as a team like the Avengers? Why is Fox capable of spotlighting only a few select individuals then wastes the others in the ensemble?
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Post by DC-Fan on Dec 25, 2018 18:12:51 GMT
Why didn't DOFP make the X-Men work together as a team like the Avengers? The Avengers didn't work together as a team. Iron Man took the nuclear missile launched by the military and used it to destroy the Chitauri mother ship while the other 5 Avengers just stood around doing nothing. And Starlord prevented them from getting the gauntlet off Thanos' hand. Great teamwork there!
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Post by Skaathar on Dec 25, 2018 18:15:51 GMT
Why didn't DOFP make the X-Men work together as a team like the Avengers? The Avengers didn't work together as a team. Iron Man took the nuclear missile launched by the military and used it to destroy the Chitauri mother ship while the other 5 Avengers just stood around doing nothing. And Starlord prevented them from getting the gauntlet off Thanos' hand. Great teamwork there! Working together as a team doesn't mean everyone needs to do the exact same task. And Starlord is not part of the Avengers. Try again.
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Post by charzhino on Dec 25, 2018 18:36:03 GMT
Why didn't DOFP make the X-Men work together as a team like the Avengers? Why is Fox capable of spotlighting only a few select individuals then wastes the others in the ensemble? They do work together in the opening and end but the sentinels are too powerful.
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Post by Skaathar on Dec 25, 2018 18:45:07 GMT
Why didn't DOFP make the X-Men work together as a team like the Avengers? Why is Fox capable of spotlighting only a few select individuals then wastes the others in the ensemble? They do work together in the opening and end but the sentinels are too powerful. Sure they work together a bit in a scene here and there... then by and large don't feel like a team for the rest of the movie. This has been the trend since the very first X-men movie.
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Post by summers8 on Dec 25, 2018 18:49:45 GMT
if they do. we know how they will make them. clearly inferior to DOFP.
that was my point.
Really? I couldn’t tell. mcu fans tactics.
1. pretend not to tell
2. live in denial to the obvious
thankfully most of us live in reality.
how many times have i told you in the comics DOFP and Ultron had similar story and tone. cringe.
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Post by charzhino on Dec 25, 2018 18:57:15 GMT
Why didn't DOFP make the X-Men work together as a team like the Avengers? The Avengers didn't work together as a team. Iron Man took the nuclear missile launched by the military and used it to destroy the Chitauri mother ship while the other 5 Avengers just stood around doing nothing. And Starlord prevented them from getting the gauntlet off Thanos' hand. Great teamwork there! The Avengers got lucky defeating the Chitauri as well, it wasnt teamwork that made them victorious. It was Selvig who just so happened to put in a safety switch into Lokis receptor whilst being mindcontrolled (which is contrived/convenience). Then on top of that the Avengers were lucky Selvig woke up from Lokis mind trance just in time and happened to be at the same spot to tell Romanov how to close the portal.
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Post by summers8 on Dec 25, 2018 18:57:32 GMT
Why didn't DOFP make the X-Men work together as a team like the Avengers? Why is Fox capable of spotlighting only a few select individuals then wastes the others in the ensemble? they did. the remaining xmen did. kitty, wolverine, storm, pitor, xavier, bobby, nightwolf. that was the story from the comics as seen in the future scene.
infact even magneto was ready to die to protect the last team effort. I am not making it up. i am saying facts from the film
blink portals? remember that. great team effort. she as the last one to die.
its strange mcu fans think working together as a team is a group of people destroying cities for 2 hours non stop with no actual drama like DOFP or TDK. maybe you missed the team stuff because dofp still had a remarkable story to tell.
avengers mcu is not an asmeble. its cgi galore. also, that was not the subject. love how mcu fans deflect things to hide mcu incompetence.
so what happens when xmen gets dumbed down to Chitauri level?
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Post by summers8 on Dec 25, 2018 18:59:33 GMT
also what of cinematography. look at the colour palette of DOFP? What happens when mcu xmen is all cartoonish colours? how will it fair? and here I was thinking the mutants singing, dancing and making jokes as they fight weak Chitauri will be the biggest problem.lol
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Post by charzhino on Dec 25, 2018 19:01:01 GMT
They do work together in the opening and end but the sentinels are too powerful. Sure they work together a bit in a scene here and there... then by and large don't feel like a team for the rest of the movie. This has been the trend since the very first X-men movie. They work together a lot, not a bit. Blink is making portals to help Bishops energy blasts. Storm is supercharging the Xjet whilst Magneto hurls it into the incoming Sentinels. Warpath is keeping lookout constantly and in the opening signals Iceman to enter on cue. Its a myth the xmen dont showcase team work. In X1, X3 and Apocalypse they used effective teamwork to win the day, and dont end up fighting each other or self destructing like the Avengers do everytime. Xmens team chemistry is superior.
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Post by summers8 on Dec 25, 2018 19:04:32 GMT
Why didn't DOFP make the X-Men work together as a team like the Avengers? Why is Fox capable of spotlighting only a few select individuals then wastes the others in the ensemble? They do work together in the opening and end but the sentinels are too powerful. yep. infact this is what make DOFP such a ground breaking story at the time it was written.
it was not about wining by the physical. it was more about chocies, determination, perseverance. those were the themes. claremont even said it himself.
this is also where mcu fails. they would never have made the sentinels impossble to beat. they will make it easy and silly for the kids to enjoy.
watching avengers, the avengers are laughing and haviung fun as they fight the Chitauri , it is almost laughable to pretend Chitauri pose a threat like the setinels or even joker from tdk who had no special powers.
mcu is just too dumb down.
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Post by charzhino on Dec 25, 2018 19:09:51 GMT
They do work together in the opening and end but the sentinels are too powerful. yep. infact this is what make DOFP such a ground breaking story at the time it was written.
it was not about wining by the physical. it was more about chocies, determination, perseverance. those were the themes. claremont even said it himself.
this is also where mcu fails. they would never have made the sentinels impossble to beat. they will make it easy and silly for the kids to enjoy.
watching avengers, the avengers are laughing and haviung fun as they fight the Chitauri , it is almost laughable to pretend Chitauri pose a threat like the setinels or even joker from tdk who had no special powers.
mcu is just too dumb down.
Its a good point. I was watching tv the other day and saw DOFP on a channel so decided to watch it. It was near the end after Magneto lifts the stadium. This particular cut of the film was rated Pg i think because there was a lot of missing scenes like Sentinels burning Warpaths face, ripping Colossus in half, impaling Sunspot, Storm and Blink, melting Iceman. All were edited out and made me realise how brutal and dark some of the stuff was. No way would Disney allow that visceral raw action.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Dec 25, 2018 20:40:09 GMT
posted this on the xmen forum too but I am curious to see mcu fans response.
Watching DOFP and Avengers. (the horror) when I think of how avengers is silly childish comedy. why couldn't avengers have had the chitauri be as threaten, scary and as intimidating as the future sentinels. who were just lethal, ruthless and impossible to kill. making the stakes high. Because the Avengers are too weak to defeat the Sentinels and not only would New York but the entire planet would've been taken over by the Sentinels. Heck, the Avengers were too weak to even defeat the non-super-powered Chitauri and just stood around for half an hour cracking jokes and 1-liners while people were being killed, until the military saved the day by launching a nuclear missile which Iron Man was then able to use to destroy the Chitauri mother ship. Without the military launching that nuclear missile, the Avengers would've just stood around cracking jokes and 1-liners until all of Manhattan was destroyed. So when were they just cracking jokes and 1-liners? I want to see your video proof.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Dec 25, 2018 21:41:48 GMT
Man the CGI did not age well for those films. Especially Avengers.
Got a Star Wars prequel vibe from the chitauri CG alone.
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Post by hobowar on Dec 25, 2018 22:26:11 GMT
They're both lame (I think that was the intention), but at least the Chitauri had a lasting impact. Within the context of their respective movies, the Setninels didn't even exist by the end.
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