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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2017 16:59:19 GMT
The end result is a weak movie, visually and storywise. Especially the latter is its worst offense. How can you end up with that kind of cliched and shallow story? They'ld have been better off just redoing the first anime movie entirely, not just ripping off several of the scenes. It's a huge disappointment, not even worth a six out of ten rating. 40% rating on Rotten Tomatoes. Not a surprise to me, why should it be a surprise to anyone. Just look at the logline: 'In the near future, Major (Scarlett Johansson) is the first of her kind: A human saved from a terrible crash, who is cyber-enhanced to be a perfect soldier devoted to stopping the world's most dangerous criminals." I mean, come on. "Six Million Dollar Man" "Six Million Dollars Woman" "Robocop" "Wolverine" "Deadpool" and a dozens of other sci-fi films. The allure of Akira was the then-fresh and exciting Japanese animation aspect of it. But as a story it was never anything groundbreaking as a tale, and 30 years later, frankly, it's just a worn-out storyline. To be fair, it might have worked. The animation movies, series and manga of Ghost in the Shell offer a lot more than what was shown in this movie, those are still very much worth watching/reading, even if they are decades old.
The premise is old, but still relevant. Unlike other SF storylines or premises, cyborg/robot/AI is something that is technologically always improving, making movies like this actually more relevant nowadays than the late eighties/early nineties when the manga first ran. Combining a human with technology is already possible (ok, has been for quite some time with for instance pacemakers) to a certain degree, and it just keeps going further and further.
Using the premise to offer a fresh view on this could have made this movie a potential masterpiece.
Unfortunately, that did not happen. At all.
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Post by merh on Mar 31, 2017 23:29:08 GMT
I enjoyed it about the same as the anime
The cyberpunk stuff was bought for my daughter (I have about 1000 anime dvds) I was more historical stuff. Mythology.
So I liked Aramaki didnt speak English. Subbed the whole time.
I always liked Togusa, & the actor just didn't match...I guess to me he is The Family Man which didn't come up so he was just odd. And Saito. When he was named at the end, I was "oh, yeah. Saito!"
Batou was a bit off. He was all about enhancements in the anime, but here he's more an average Joe agent. But I liked him more than in the anime.
I found casting an actress that wasn't Japanese logical. The bad guy was white. He oversaw the project, saw her as a weapon, the first of many. While Japanese are the major inhabitants of Japan, they don't represent a world view so, yeah, his jerk ass would order a white girl body (I swear those were bigger breasts than the girl on the table at the beginning. Typical guy). She goes through the movie with the name Mira Killian.
So I enjoyed it. No matter how hard they worked to make her fit, she was having problems relating It takes place a year into her cyber existence.
I thought it worked.
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Post by gomezaddams666 on Apr 1, 2017 0:53:01 GMT
RT who gave Ghostbusters a "fresh" rating?
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Post by jaynadiah on Apr 1, 2017 11:49:02 GMT
This film is majorly (pun intended) disappointing. especially to a fan of all things GITS. that said its not terrible in a sense some other adaptations have been (Dragonball lol) .
A middle of the line score is probably right.. 40% maybe a little harsh.. 50 or 60% is probably more accurate in my view.. I mean visually the movie is amazing and some of the fight scenes taken from the original movie are excellent.. its just a really disappoint and simplified generic run of the mill story that really lets it down.
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Post by skribb on Apr 1, 2017 19:45:20 GMT
This film is majorly (pun intended) disappointing. especially to a fan of all things GITS. that said its not terrible in a sense some other adaptations have been (Dragonball lol) . A middle of the line score is probably right.. 40% maybe a little harsh.. 50 or 60% is probably more accurate in my view.. I mean visually the movie is amazing and some of the fight scenes taken from the original movie are excellent.. its just a really disappoint and simplified generic run of the mill story that really lets it down. How can 50 or 60 be more accurate "in your view"? if 40% of critics like the movie, then that's the reality. RT score aggregates how many critics like the movie, it's not a median score of all the available reviews .
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Post by jaynadiah on Apr 1, 2017 21:01:42 GMT
I don't use Rotten Tomatoes so I didn't know..
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Post by skribb on Apr 1, 2017 21:10:32 GMT
I don't use Rotten Tomatoes so I didn't know.. Fair enough
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Post by Skaathar on Apr 2, 2017 15:35:02 GMT
Just watched this yesterday, not a bad movie but nothing great either. I do think I enjoyed it more than the anime, but then again I haven't seen that for over a decade so I plan to watch it again so I can compare better.
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Post by Skaathar on Apr 2, 2017 19:09:05 GMT
Ok so I rewatched the original and with complete objectivity, I'd have to say this new movie has a more solid, cohesive plot and storyline. In fact to be honest, I'd have to say this newer movie is the better movie.
That said, it bears very little resemblance to the original movie. The story is almost completely different, the Major's personality completely different, and the only similarities are the looks of things and a few choice scenes here and there. So while the newer movie is a better movie (IMO), it's so different from the original that it begs the question: Why even call it Ghost in the Shell? You're going to adapt a story you might as well kind of stick to it, otherwise you're better off just making a completely different movie.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2017 19:19:17 GMT
Ok so I rewatched the original and with complete objectivity, I'd have to say this new movie has a more solid, cohesive plot and storyline. In fact to be honest, I'd have to say this newer movie is the better movie. That said, it bears very little resemblance to the original movie. The story is almost completely different, the Major's personality completely different, and the only similarities are the looks of things and a few choice scenes here and there. So while the newer movie is a better movie (IMO), it's so different from the original that it begs the question: Why even call it Ghost in the Shell? You're going to adapt a story you might as well kind of stick to it, otherwise you're better off just making a completely different movie.
To be fair, there's a whole manga series and anime series of Ghost in the Shell too, with completely different stories and such. This movie drew from more than just the original anime movie, but also from the Stand Alone Complex series for instance.
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