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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2019 23:44:03 GMT
Ok so you are just saying that superhero fans who don't like MCU films are the "abnormal ones" because you have run the movies through your patented popularity data cruncher and determined the the MCU are factually considered the "best"? , Right?? Yes. (Slight modification to your statement in bold) Well I do like your modification, even though I personally still see a logical fallacy in this whole concept, it does put your view at least a tiny tish less egocentric than summers. I do not see him making that modification if he made his "factual" best list.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2019 2:27:57 GMT
1. Spider-Man (2002) 2. Batman Returns 3. Logan 4. X2 5. Batman 6. X-Men: First Class 7. Spider-Man 2 8. X-Men: Days of Future Past 9. Into the Spiderverse 10. Daredevil ... Nope, not a single MCU flick cracks my top ten. Sounds like a personal problem to me. I'm digging that Batman Returns love. I think it's my favorite movie to watch during Christmas. It has such a winter vibe. I was just scanning to see if anyone else said that too. Mad respect for Batman Returns being up there.
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Jan 7, 2019 4:22:18 GMT
Yeah I'm super stoked he made the thread. I was excited to see how it ended up.
But X-Men Origins: Wolverine didn't even make the cut. And Steel is higher up than the 2015 Fantastic Four? I mean, both those movies suck, but FF is way more watchable than Steel.
Anyways, don't know why you had to be so snarky about it.
I'm re-reading my orinal reply to you... and I don't see that it's snarky. I heavily disagreed with it, and I guess that shows in my tone, but no snark was intended. If I it was then I apologize. I was hungover and probably read it in a snarky tone. So I apologize to YOU good sir.
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Jan 7, 2019 4:24:36 GMT
1. Spider-Man (2002) 2. Batman Returns 3. Logan 4. X2 5. Batman 6. X-Men: First Class 7. Spider-Man 2 8. X-Men: Days of Future Past 9. Into the Spiderverse 10. Daredevil ... Nope, not a single MCU flick cracks my top ten. Sounds like a personal problem to me. Also, I'd love to know why TDK isn't on your top ten. It's at the top of most, including mine, so it's kind of refreshing and interesting to see a top 10 CBM completely lacking Nolan's trilogy. Not a fan or just not in your top ten?
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Jan 7, 2019 4:46:12 GMT
1. Spider-Man (2002) 2. Batman Returns 3. Logan 4. X2 5. Batman 6. X-Men: First Class 7. Spider-Man 2 8. X-Men: Days of Future Past 9. Into the Spiderverse 10. Daredevil ... Nope, not a single MCU flick cracks my top ten. Sounds like a personal problem to me. Also, I'd love to know why TDK isn't on your top ten. It's at the top of most, including mine, so it's kind of refreshing and interesting to see a top 10 CBM completely lacking Nolan's trilogy. Not a fan or just not in your top ten? I could easily swap Batman Begins and any of 6-10. I think it's a fantastic movie and arguably the best filmic adaptation of the Bruce Wayne (if not the Batman) character ever. TDK is a very good, but I've never seen been crazy about it, mainly because I'm lukewarm on Ledger's Joker -- blasphemy, I know -- and feel like the movie should've ended on the cliffhanger of Two-Face headlining the third movie rather than blowing through an entire sequel's worth of potential in twenty minutes and killing him off. And Bale/Batman is hardly in it, it feels like. I understand why people love it, but it's just not my favorite movie. I thought the third one sucked. I prolly should've included it in my bottom ten in that other thread! I legitimately think it's worse than Batman & Robin, which at least has a "so bad it's good" quality to it. TDKR just bummed me out and left me feeling dejected. For me, the Nolan movies are sort of analogous to the Matrix trilogy, where you had this incredibly strong first installment that set up the trilogies for tremendous success, the overblown middle installment with better action and effects but an inferior story, and the abysmal third one that just flat-out sucks balls. Innit?
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Jan 7, 2019 4:54:42 GMT
1. Black Panther 2. Captain America: Civil War 3. Infinity War / The Avengers 4. The Dark Knight 5. Logan 6. Guardians of the Galaxy 7. Spider-Man 2 8. Thor: Ragnarok 9. Deadpool 10. Wonder Woman
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Jan 7, 2019 5:06:31 GMT
Also, I'd love to know why TDK isn't on your top ten. It's at the top of most, including mine, so it's kind of refreshing and interesting to see a top 10 CBM completely lacking Nolan's trilogy. Not a fan or just not in your top ten? I could easily swap Batman Begins and any of 6-10. I think it's a fantastic movie and arguably the best filmic adaptation of the Bruce Wayne (if not the Batman) character ever. TDK is a very good, but I've never seen been crazy about it, mainly because I'm lukewarm on Ledger's Joker -- blasphemy, I know -- and feel like the movie should've ended on the cliffhanger of Two-Face headlining the third movie rather than blowing through an entire sequel's worth of potential in twenty minutes and killing him off. And Bale/Batman is hardly in it, it feels like. I understand why people love it, but it's just not my favorite movie. I thought the third one sucked. I prolly should've included it in my bottom ten in that other thread! I legitimately think it's worse than Batman & Robin, which at least has a "so bad it's good" quality to it. TDKR just bummed me out and left me feeling dejected. For me, the Nolan movies are sort of analogous to the Matrix trilogy, where you had this incredibly strong first installment that set up the trilogies for tremendous success, the overblown middle installment with better action and effects but an inferior story, and the abysmal third one that just flat-out sucks balls. Innit? I like that analogy to the Matrix films. Since I really love The Dark Knight, it's more a Raimi Spider-Man trilogy to me. Amazing origin story, superior sequel, and a disappointing conclusion.
I have a somewhat similar opinion though. TDK is my favorite comic book movie, but Batman Begins is my favorite Batman movie. Because like you say, Batman is hardly featured in TDK. It's definitely the Joker's movie. And it feels more like a crime thriller than a comic book film.
I feel like Nolan's trilogy went further away from feeling like a comic book with each film. The third one is absolutely terrible. Marion Cotillard is wasted on an unnecessary character, which is especially annoying when you consider that she would've been a superior Catwoman. Also, Bruce quit being Batman for 8 years after TDK?! So he was Batman for what... 2-3 years? How could he not get back on his feet after TDK fall but was able to overcome his back being broken? And I swear that JGL scene of him "seeing it in Bruce's eyes" that Wayne was Batman is one of the laziest pieces of writing I've ever seen, and easily the worst thing to ever appear in a Nolan film lol.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Jan 7, 2019 5:22:41 GMT
I could easily swap Batman Begins and any of 6-10. I think it's a fantastic movie and arguably the best filmic adaptation of the Bruce Wayne (if not the Batman) character ever. TDK is a very good, but I've never seen been crazy about it, mainly because I'm lukewarm on Ledger's Joker -- blasphemy, I know -- and feel like the movie should've ended on the cliffhanger of Two-Face headlining the third movie rather than blowing through an entire sequel's worth of potential in twenty minutes and killing him off. And Bale/Batman is hardly in it, it feels like. I understand why people love it, but it's just not my favorite movie. I thought the third one sucked. I prolly should've included it in my bottom ten in that other thread! I legitimately think it's worse than Batman & Robin, which at least has a "so bad it's good" quality to it. TDKR just bummed me out and left me feeling dejected. For me, the Nolan movies are sort of analogous to the Matrix trilogy, where you had this incredibly strong first installment that set up the trilogies for tremendous success, the overblown middle installment with better action and effects but an inferior story, and the abysmal third one that just flat-out sucks balls. Innit? I like that analogy to the Matrix films. Since I really love The Dark Knight, it's more a Raimi Spider-Man trilogy to me. Amazing origin story, superior sequel, and a disappointing conclusion.
I have a somewhat similar opinion though. TDK is my favorite comic book movie, but Batman Begins is my favorite Batman movie. Because like you say, Batman is hardly featured in TDK. It's definitely the Joker's movie. And it feels more like a crime thriller than a comic book film.
I feel like Nolan's trilogy went further away from feeling like a comic book with each film. The third one is absolutely terrible. Marion Cotillard is wasted on an unnecessary character, which is especially annoying when you consider that she would've been a superior Catwoman. Also, Bruce quit being Batman for 8 years after TDK?! So he was Batman for what... 2-3 years? How could he not get back on his feet after TDK fall but was able to overcome his back being broken? And I swear that JGL scene of him "seeing it in Bruce's eyes" that Wayne was Batman is one of the laziest pieces of writing I've ever seen, and easily the worst thing to ever appear in a Nolan film lol. The Spider-Man comparison works for me, too. But then, I think the first one is the best despite loving Spider-Man 2. The 2002 flick is my favorite comic book movie ever. Good point about it being more of a crime thriller. You excited about the solo Joker movie coming out later this year? It really is a bad movie, and I'd never even analyzed or considered any of those details. Ugh.
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Jan 7, 2019 5:33:02 GMT
I like that analogy to the Matrix films. Since I really love The Dark Knight, it's more a Raimi Spider-Man trilogy to me. Amazing origin story, superior sequel, and a disappointing conclusion.
I have a somewhat similar opinion though. TDK is my favorite comic book movie, but Batman Begins is my favorite Batman movie. Because like you say, Batman is hardly featured in TDK. It's definitely the Joker's movie. And it feels more like a crime thriller than a comic book film.
I feel like Nolan's trilogy went further away from feeling like a comic book with each film. The third one is absolutely terrible. Marion Cotillard is wasted on an unnecessary character, which is especially annoying when you consider that she would've been a superior Catwoman. Also, Bruce quit being Batman for 8 years after TDK?! So he was Batman for what... 2-3 years? How could he not get back on his feet after TDK fall but was able to overcome his back being broken? And I swear that JGL scene of him "seeing it in Bruce's eyes" that Wayne was Batman is one of the laziest pieces of writing I've ever seen, and easily the worst thing to ever appear in a Nolan film lol. The Spider-Man comparison works for me, too. But then, I think the first one is the best despite loving Spider-Man 2. The 2002 flick is my favorite comic book movie ever. Good point about it being more of a crime thriller. You excited about the solo Joker movie coming out later this year? It really is a bad movie, and I'd never even analyzed or considered any of those details. Ugh. Yeah I re-watch the fight scene between Peter and Flash on like a weekly basis. It's a weirdly inspirational moment for my life.
I am excited about the new Joker movie, but I've never been a fan of him having a definitive backstory. But it looks like it could turn out pretty interesting. Especially if they go the Taxi Driver route. But it might remind of TDK. Like, it will be a good movie, but will it feel like a comic book movie?
I can literally never stop analyzing those details about TDKR and I often repeat them. Whenever I go out drinking with my friend Emily we have a debate about it by the end of literally every night because she LOVES that movie lol.
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Post by DSDSquared on Jan 7, 2019 14:02:16 GMT
1. Spider-Man (2002) 2. Batman Returns 3. Logan 4. X2 5. Batman 6. X-Men: First Class 7. Spider-Man 2 8. X-Men: Days of Future Past 9. Into the Spiderverse 10. Daredevil ... Nope, not a single MCU flick cracks my top ten. Sounds like a personal problem to me. You lost me at Daredevil and Into the Spiderverse is slowly cracking Black Panther territory as far as overrated goes. So Daredevil is better than any MCU movie? That is hilarious.
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Post by Skaathar on Jan 7, 2019 15:08:42 GMT
My current top ten would be:
1. Avengers 2. CATWS 3. SM2 4. CACW 5. Batman Returns 6. Thor Ragnarok 7. GotG 8. Wonder Woman 9. IW 10. Batman Begins
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Post by charzhino on Jan 7, 2019 15:34:25 GMT
I feel like Nolan's trilogy went further away from feeling like a comic book with each film. The third one is absolutely terrible. Its the opposite, Nolan's trilogy gets more like a comic book as the trilogy progresses. Rises has a nuclear bomb threat, an underground army, tech like the Bat aircraft and a larger than life villain. Its a lot more fantastical than BB or TDK. He quit because Rachel died and he felt like he was responsible for her, Harveys and the other civilians death at Jokers hands. He questioned his vigilantism.
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Post by sostie on Jan 7, 2019 15:35:04 GMT
My top 10 (I think) in apha order
The Avengers The Avengers: Infinity War Batman Returns Captain America Civil War Dark Knight Guardians Of The Galaxy Kick-Ass Logan Thor Ragnarok Watchmen
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Post by charzhino on Jan 7, 2019 15:38:01 GMT
1. Xmen Days of Future Past 2. The Avengers 3. X2 4. Spiderman 2 5. Dark Knight Rises 6. Logan 7. Batman Begins 8. Winter Soldier 9. The Dark Knight 10. Deadpool 2
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Post by Skaathar on Jan 7, 2019 19:24:54 GMT
1. Xmen Days of Future Past 2. The Avengers 3. X2 4. Spiderman 2 5. Dark Knight Rises 6. Logan 7. Batman Begins 8. Winter Soldier 9. The Dark Knight 10. Deadpool 2 Wow, you're probably the only person I've met who preferred TDKR over TDK.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Jan 7, 2019 19:51:02 GMT
1. Spider-Man (2002) 2. Batman Returns 3. Logan 4. X2 5. Batman 6. X-Men: First Class 7. Spider-Man 2 8. X-Men: Days of Future Past 9. Into the Spiderverse 10. Daredevil ... Nope, not a single MCU flick cracks my top ten. Sounds like a personal problem to me. You lost me at Daredevil and Into the Spiderverse is slowly cracking Black Panther territory as far as overrated goes. So Daredevil is better than any MCU movie? That is hilarious.
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Post by DSDSquared on Jan 7, 2019 20:42:27 GMT
You lost me at Daredevil and Into the Spiderverse is slowly cracking Black Panther territory as far as overrated goes. So Daredevil is better than any MCU movie? That is hilarious. Please show me a scene in any MCU movie more cheesy and cringe worthy than the park fight between Daredevil and Elektra. I dare you to try. No amount of bad raccoon turd jokes can beat that.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Jan 7, 2019 20:50:38 GMT
Please show me a scene in any MCU movie more cheesy and cringe worthy than the park fight between Daredevil and Elektra. I dare you to try. No amount of bad raccoon turd jokes can beat that. Nonsense. You can cut the sexual tension in that scene with a knife. That's damn fine writing and directing.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jan 7, 2019 22:38:47 GMT
Well since everyone going to list there's then i will too!
1. The Dark Knight 2. Spider-Man 2 3. X2: X-Men United 4. The Crow 5. The Avengers 6. Batman 89 7. Captain America: The Winter Soldier 8. Wonder Woman 9. Batman Begins 10. 300
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Post by charzhino on Jan 7, 2019 23:05:02 GMT
1. Xmen Days of Future Past 2. The Avengers 3. X2 4. Spiderman 2 5. Dark Knight Rises 6. Logan 7. Batman Begins 8. Winter Soldier 9. The Dark Knight 10. Deadpool 2 Wow, you're probably the only person I've met who preferred TDKR over TDK. TDK is technically a better written film but i enjoy TDKR more on a entertainment level.
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