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Post by goz on Feb 7, 2019 22:09:50 GMT
OK we will continue with your analogy. What constitutes the dent in the pan that continues down the generations unaltered? This is not possible with the 50/50 mix of male and female genes at each human level of procreation. Simple enough? are you saying humans can’t have two eyes for thousands of generations? Odd No, what a stupid suggestion. Ask Vegas what constitutes the dent. I did and he had no answer except 'imperfections'. Since evolution works with imperfections ( mutations) it wasn't especially helpful. |
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Post by goz on Feb 7, 2019 22:23:53 GMT
Although I hate it when other posters tell me what I think HOWEVER it seems that with Cool and his fellow whatever they are type of 'Christians' that they, ...are coming from the standpoint that God is 'perfection,' we are made in his image and because of the laws that God himself instituted, it is all downhill for everyone from there on, with one failsafe clause that you accept whatever it is he is reselling to get to whatever he says is really good ie heaven or salvation or a safety card from doomsday or whatever it happens to be in which ever branch of the religion it is promulgated. tou aren’t speaking for me. Well, that is one point that I raised answered, what about all the others? |
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Post by Vegas on Feb 7, 2019 22:25:48 GMT
are you saying humans can’t have two eyes for thousands of generations? Odd No, what a stupid suggestion. Ask Vegas what constitutes the dent. I did and he had no answer except 'imperfections'.
Since evolution works with imperfections ( mutations) it wasn't especially helpful. You did?  Well, then, you suck at asking questions... but, I suck at answering them.. so.. we're even.  I will point out that even "imperfections (mutations)" are just facets of the greater imperfection that makes humans the way were are.. as opposed to the way that The Bible says that we're supposed to be. According to The Bible, genetic "perfection" comes with benefits such as never getting sick and, apparently, not dying. So the imperfection being discussed (the dent) is whatever it was that changed us to being fucked up mortals that, even after a life of doing good deeds, will grow old, sick, and die... ....and would allow for those mutations. Flawed mortal humans will always give birth to flawed mortal humans... and that has always been the case.. even 6 generations ago.   |
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Post by general313 on Feb 7, 2019 22:39:52 GMT
I am glad that you brought up the subject of genetics, as it is one of my keen interests and whilst I am not an expert by any means, I have a relative who is, and as I have been working on our second book which involves detailed genealogy, it is very much on my mind, "However, a warning that any unscientific references to perceived inherited characteristics will be viewed with interest along with scepticism. Human genetics is extremely complex, especially when you go down several generations, with likelihood of specific inherited traits lessening to the point of inconsequence. I am sure you all know that if you inherit 50% from each parent, this becomes 25% at the next generation 12.5 at the next etc, so whilst genetic traits are inherited, specifically attributing them to one ancestor or branch can be problematic. If you go back six generations you get 64 ancestors. You can do the math for increasing generations and probabilities. Specific traits such as mathematical ability, creativity, musicality or a certain shaped nose can be inherited from ANY of these individuals of either sex and more likely in part or a blend." A direct quote from our book. Having stated this ( in context in the book) there are a few inconsistencies with either 'inbred' populations, or populations who have selected partners for a specific (usually sociological as they didn't understand genetics) reason. So, sorry butt you cake pan analogy
Or as I've heard: It's like a dent in a cake pan. Every cake that is made from that pan will have the same dent... the same imperfection.is incorrect in the case of human genetics. How can you have so many words and still not make a point?  I don't know about you... "butt"... both my parents were human.. and their parents... human.. and theirs.. Sure you can go back 6 generations... but... they'd still be humans. We're not talking about some specific gene like blue eyes that would get lost in the mix as generations went on... It's the basic human composition that's being discussed.. And.. analogies aren't meant to be perfect. None are. "It's like" doesn't mean "It is exactly as".  Edit: The point is that a dented cake pan can never make a perfect cake.  Are you telling me that there's no such thing as a perfect dent? |
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Post by Vegas on Feb 7, 2019 22:43:10 GMT
How can you have so many words and still not make a point?
I don't know about you... "butt"... both my parents were human.. and their parents... human.. and theirs.. Sure you can go back 6 generations... but... they'd still be humans. We're not talking about some specific gene like blue eyes that would get lost in the mix as generations went on... It's the basic human composition that's being discussed.. And.. analogies aren't meant to be perfect. None are. "It's like" doesn't mean "It is exactly as". Edit: The point is that a dented cake pan can never make a perfect cake.
Well... At least you're not using as many words as Goz when not making a point. |
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Post by general313 on Feb 7, 2019 22:48:48 GMT
Well... At least you're not using as many words as Goz when not making a point. I was joking. Maybe we need a richer set of emojis??? |
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Post by Vegas on Feb 7, 2019 22:51:49 GMT
Well... At least you're not using as many words as Goz when not making a point.
Fuck. My bad... I mean.. Yeah.. I knew that... I was... uh.. joking, too.  |
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Post by Isapop on Feb 8, 2019 0:08:45 GMT
How can you have so many words and still not make a point? I don't know about you... "butt"... both my parents were human.. and their parents... human.. and theirs.. Sure you can go back 6 generations... but... they'd still be humans. We're not talking about some specific gene like blue eyes that would get lost in the mix as generations went on... It's the basic human composition that's being discussed.. And.. analogies aren't meant to be perfect. None are. "It's like" doesn't mean "It is exactly as". OK we will continue with your analogy. What constitutes the dent in the pan that continues down the generations unaltered? This is not possible with the 50/50 mix of male and female genes at each human level of procreation. Simple enough? I suggest getting off any discussion of literal genetics here. If we possess "inherited sin", I'm sure that from a Christian standpoint it's a spiritual possession (like possessing free will) rather than a physical one. |
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Post by Vegas on Feb 8, 2019 0:26:12 GMT
You did? Well, then, you suck at asking questions... but, I suck at answering them.. so.. we're even. I will point out that even "imperfections (mutations)" are just facets of the greater imperfection that makes humans the way were are.. as opposed to the way that The Bible says that we're supposed to be. According to The Bible, genetic "perfection" comes with benefits such as never getting sick and, apparently, not dying. So the imperfection being discussed (the dent) is whatever it was that changed us to being fucked up mortals that, even after a life of doing good deeds, will grow old, sick, and die... ....and would allow for those mutations. Flawed mortal humans will always give birth to flawed mortal humans... and that has always been the case.. even 6 generations ago. I guess then, that Hitler thought he had the right idea and was on his way to finding God's perfection, with his notion of the superior race. I guess that what you'd guess.... |
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Post by Vegas on Feb 8, 2019 0:27:36 GMT
I suggest getting off any discussion of literal genetics here. If we possess "inherited sin", I'm sure that from a Christian standpoint it's a spiritual possession (like possessing free will) rather than a physical one. Why? We physically die... It's a physical imperfection. |
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Post by goz on Feb 8, 2019 3:16:08 GMT
OK we will continue with your analogy. What constitutes the dent in the pan that continues down the generations unaltered? This is not possible with the 50/50 mix of male and female genes at each human level of procreation. Simple enough? I suggest getting off any discussion of literal genetics here. If we possess "inherited sin", I'm sure that from a Christian standpoint it's a spiritual possession (like possessing free will) rather than a physical one. Why? ...when those are the facts? |
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Post by Vegas on Feb 8, 2019 5:36:36 GMT
I guess that what you'd guess.... I guessed you can't engage in a decent and intelligent online conversation. How do you go in real life? You guessed wrong.. because your a hopeless dumbfucking idiot. I gave up on the hope of having a "decent and intelligent online conversation" with you loooong ago.... all you are worthy of is me pointing at the retarded monkey and laughing. Have fun with Hitler.  |
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Post by Vegas on Feb 8, 2019 13:22:26 GMT
You guessed wrong.. because your a hopeless dumbfucking idiot. I gave up on the hope of having a "decent and intelligent online conversation" with you loooong ago.... all you are worthy of is me pointing at the retarded monkey and laughing. Have fun with Hitler. You do realize everything you just said chimp, is really all about you. What a lost cause you are.... Of course you think that.... You're a fucking idiot. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Feb 8, 2019 14:53:45 GMT
OK we will continue with your analogy. What constitutes the dent in the pan that continues down the generations unaltered? This is not possible with the 50/50 mix of male and female genes at each human level of procreation. Simple enough? I suggest getting off any discussion of literal genetics here. If we possess "inherited sin", I'm sure that from a Christian standpoint it's a spiritual possession (like possessing free will) rather than a physical one. om the contrary, it’s clearly a physical one. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Feb 8, 2019 14:57:15 GMT
are you saying humans can’t have two eyes for thousands of generations? Odd No, what a stupid suggestion. Ask Vegas what constitutes the dent. I did and he had no answer except 'imperfections'. Since evolution works with imperfections ( mutations) it wasn't especially helpful. ok I’m just explaining my view that universal human traits can be carried on indefinitely. |
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Post by thefleetsin on Feb 8, 2019 15:46:32 GMT
sarah and jesus sittin in a tree
as is
the prerogative
of
oh so many nations
tooled
beyond recognition
of any
semblance of sanity
we now
witness a calamity
brought to you
by
one more handed down
profanity
being passed off as
lessons
never learned by
a ridiculously gullible
slice of humanity.
sjw 02/08/19 inspired at this very moment in time as the portal squeals just outside the latest of deals.
from the 'blasphemy series' of poems
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Post by Isapop on Feb 8, 2019 15:54:08 GMT
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Feb 8, 2019 16:27:35 GMT
Which begs the question, why would one worship such a god? |
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Feb 8, 2019 16:31:18 GMT
Which begs the question, why would one worship such a god? Because it just seems like the right thing to do.  |
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Post by Vegas on Feb 8, 2019 16:32:04 GMT
doesn't alter God's decision to have Adam's unborn ancestors inherit and suffer for it.
 "THE STORY DOESN'T GO THE WAY I THINK IT SHOOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUULLLDDDDDD!!" Oh noes!! We inherited our foreforeforeforeforeforeforeforeforeforeforeforeforeforeforeforeforeforeforeforeforeforeforeforeforeforeforeforeforeforeforeforeforeforeforeforeforeforeforeforeforeforeforeforeforeforeforeforeforeforeforeforeforeforeforeforeforeforeforeforeforeforeforeforeforeforeforeforeforeforeforefather's genetic imperfection.. It's okay... ...because while you're on the ground kicking and screaming with your tear-soaked eyes closed... others have been pointing out to you that the entire Bible is the story of how God undoes that thing that your bitching about at the same time as answering all of the cosmic questions that were raised in the Garden of Eden... So, according to the story there is a purpose for it. But... hell.. This is only the 2,674th time that this has been pointed out to you. - "So... you're pointing out that others have been pointing this out?" - "Uh... yeah?" |
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