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Post by wmcclain on Jan 29, 2019 2:39:54 GMT
Do you know where Ebert called it shallow? Was it in his commentary (which I admit I’ve never seen)? Not doubting you, I’d just never heard that. I know Pauline Kael considered it “shallow” (“a shallow masterpiece”), a judgment which inspired a hilarious response by her sparring-partner Andrew Sarris. Yes, the commentary track on the Blu-ray. In fact "shallow masterpiece" was the phrase I remember. I don't know about Kael; maybe he was quoting her? -Bill
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Post by Nalkarj on Jan 29, 2019 2:44:57 GMT
Do you know where Ebert called it shallow? Was it in his commentary (which I admit I’ve never seen)? Not doubting you, I’d just never heard that. I know Pauline Kael considered it “shallow” (“a shallow masterpiece”), a judgment which inspired a hilarious response by her sparring-partner Andrew Sarris. Yes, the commentary track on the Blu-ray. In fact "shallow masterpiece" was the phrase I remember. I don't know about Kael; maybe he was quoting her? -Bill Thanks! That explains it. You may be right about his quoting her; I should watch that commentary one day. Here’s Kael, by the way:
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Jan 29, 2019 3:02:01 GMT
Certainly. It changed films but that's not the only reason (The Jazz Singer changed films and its no classic to me). The storytelling,presenting the central character, warts and all. The non-linear telling. The "Rosebud Mystery". And the amazing cinematography. However, I have seen a boatload of films with better acting. Welles was great and so was Aggie Moorehead. Joseph Cotten was fine until the older Jed Leland scenes. Bur Dorothy Comingore, Everett Sloane and the rest, no so much. I thought Comingore was awful actually. Razzie worthy.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Jan 29, 2019 5:13:37 GMT
I think on Ebert's Casablanca commentary he points out that while Citizen Kane is appropriately called the finest cinematic achievement of all time, it's Casablanca which is probably Hollywood's finest art of storytelling. Or something to that effect. I think it's at the end credit to Casablanca.
Which is a bit of a wash for me seeing they're #2 & #3 all time for me, Casablanca the former, CK the latter.
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Post by mslo79 on Jan 29, 2019 6:53:30 GMT
BATouttaheckIt's fine if someone honestly likes it a lot. they can go ahead and praise it. but I have a feeling that movie is not as liked by the general public as it's made out to be around IMDb etc who overpraise it. or another thing... even those people who do score it highly(or fairly highly), how many find the movie re-watchable? ; because like I always preach... movies are ultimately made or broke based on whether the viewer wants to re-watch a movie from time-to-time or not. that helps separate the gems from just-another-movie at the end of the day. Well put it this way... I feel confident enough in making the basic claim that I did in that it's pretty safe for me to say it's overrated at the very least. if I did not feel confident in that, I would not claim it. or put it this way... I would bet decent money that it would not score above a 6/10 (a mild Thumbs Up) for me (which even if it pulled that off it would still be quite overrated in my mind) and I am confident it's probably not going to get more than a 5/10 (Thumbs Down) and could be lower. so while I have stated I have only seen about the first 20 minutes of it... that might get some people to write me off on that alone. but I have seen enough movies to tell that I can usually get a ball park estimate of how a movie will turn out given my interest levels in the movie by around that point, especially when my interest levels drop below a certain point. p.s. who knows, maybe ill eventually get around to giving it a chance. because as a general guideline... I try to give a movie around 40 minutes (or at least 30min+(rare exceptions going lower than this)) before ill turn it off and call it boring should it reach that point. but like I already mentioned in my above post only about 7% of all movies I have seen managed to be that bad. them1ghtyhumphI never was angry with you. it's cool. so while I doubt we got much in common politically but that does not mean we will always disagree on everything as I just agreed with your basic Citizen Kane comment and, who knows, maybe we will agree on other random movie comments.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Jan 29, 2019 15:23:50 GMT
Most movies that are generally considered to be "prestigious" have been watched more than once by the people who enjoy them.
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