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Post by Vassaggo on Feb 10, 2019 23:32:33 GMT
I want to say that I heard the Russo's say the snap was a kin to a "Wish." If that's the case then the way the "Wish" was "worded" would be applicable. We are getting into D&D realm here for me. As a DM I've had exactly 2 wishes in 25 years of DMing. I always fuck up the wisher in some way if and when they happen
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Post by Vassaggo on Feb 10, 2019 23:33:42 GMT
The Bigger and more selfish the wish the more of the fuck up.
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Post by DC-Fan on Feb 10, 2019 23:40:58 GMT
can’t he see into the future and figure how many people will be killed? So that the people in the plane crashes, etc., will already be factored in to what he’s already foreseen as the consequences of the “snap”? Then it wouldn't be random since Thanos would be making some choices on which people live or die.
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Post by DC-Fan on Feb 10, 2019 23:42:37 GMT
I don’t usually think through things like this in silly superhero movies (good to know that DC-Fan loves the MCU so much that he does, though), but, if Thanos is basically God with that gauntlet, can’t he see into the future and figure how many people will be killed? So that the people in the plane crashes, etc., will already be factored in to what he’s already foreseen as the consequences of the “snap”? I imagine he has to have some sort of thought that went into what exactly the snap would accomplish. Because it wouldn’t make sense to just take a random 50% which could have some planets still overpopulated and others practically desolate. It also would’ve been unnecessary to take half of the population of a planet that he already massacred. Most likely Kevin Feige and/or the Russos didn't think of that when they came up with Thanos' stupid plan.
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Post by Nalkarj on Feb 10, 2019 23:42:50 GMT
can’t he see into the future and figure how many people will be killed? So that the people in the plane crashes, etc., will already be factored in to what he’s already foreseen as the consequences of the “snap”? Then it wouldn't be random since Thanos would be making some choices on which people live or die. That could still be considered random. There are no criteria on which he’s making his choice: he’s just randomly deciding A will live and B will die. No? This is all reminding me of a discussion about Calvinist theology, curiously enough…
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Post by DC-Fan on Feb 10, 2019 23:44:49 GMT
Well, I looked up “infinity gauntlet,” and one of the stones is apparently a “time stone” (forgive me if I’m reinventing the wheel on this one—apparently it was the McGuffin in Doctor Strange, which I haven’t seen). That suggests, to me at least, that he can see the future. When he used the time stone to reverse time on Vision it did the whole spell shape thingy around his hand like in Doc Strange when he turned back time on an eaten apple. That would suggest that for him to see the possible futures he would have to do the spell through the gauntlet like Doc Strange did in IW to see the 14+ million different time lines. Not to say he didn't inbetween getting the time stone and showing up on earth. It's possible I guess. Or maybe the Gauntlet gives more innate ability to perceive possible time lines. So he doesn't have to do it like Doc did. He would only have to use the spell like abilities to effect time not see it. I could go either way on the interpretation. Both would make sense to me. Well, if Thanos could see the 14+ million different scenarios that Dr. Strange saw, then he would've also seen the 1 scenario in which the Avengers win and he loses. So Thanos can change it to make sure that scenario never occurs. Thus the Avengers should never be able to win and Endgame is an unnecessary movie.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Feb 11, 2019 0:09:32 GMT
^^^Or he didn’t care about the consequences and just killed 50% of the universe. Well he is called "The Mad Titan". Anyone who believes that killing sextillion living beings is a good thing is obviously not in the right state of mind.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Feb 11, 2019 12:39:06 GMT
Possible. We just don't know enough about the power given to him by the Gauntlet I suppose. Well, I looked up “infinity gauntlet,” and one of the stones is apparently a “time stone” (forgive me if I’m reinventing the wheel on this one—apparently it was the McGuffin in Doctor Strange, which I haven’t seen). That suggests, to me at least, that he can see the future. Oh, snap! Er. Wait...
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Feb 11, 2019 17:25:25 GMT
I’m kind of curious about this. When Thanos snapped his fingers... he obviously destroyed 50% of the universe.. but how does that play out? He said it’s at random. But did he destroy half of the universe in general? Or did every single world lose 50% of their population? Like could Earth have lost 20% of their people while Knowhere lost 75% or something? And what about worlds that Thanos already “cleansed”? Like Gamora’s planet where he had already murdered half the population and it was apparently now “thriving”.. did they lose much of their population AGAIN? Just a random thought. Its interesting to think that it could go just about ANY way, 20% here, 75% there. But for simplicities sake I'm gonna go with 50% everywhere.
As for Gamoras planet... yeah, they're down to 25%! LOL!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2019 19:25:57 GMT
No idea. I would imagine so, but more than anything I'd hate to die if I was on a planet Thanos already attacked. I'd be like nooo, he already wiped out half our population but half of who's left is still turning into dust nooo.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Feb 11, 2019 19:35:42 GMT
Well, I looked up “infinity gauntlet,” and one of the stones is apparently a “time stone” (forgive me if I’m reinventing the wheel on this one—apparently it was the McGuffin in Doctor Strange, which I haven’t seen). That suggests, to me at least, that he can see the future. When he used the time stone to reverse time on Vision it did the whole spell shape thingy around his hand like in Doc Strange when he turned back time on an eaten apple. That would suggest that for him to see the possible futures he would have to do the spell through the gauntlet like Doc Strange did in IW to see the 14+ million different time lines. Not to say he didn't inbetween getting the time stone and showing up on earth. It's possible I guess. Or maybe the Gauntlet gives more innate ability to perceive possible time lines. So he doesn't have to do it like Doc did. He would only have to use the spell like abilities to effect time not see it. I could go either way on the interpretation. Both would make sense to me. There is a difference between using a stone and mastering its full capabilities. Dr. Strange had the Eye for some time and studied Agamotto's texts on its usage. Thanos didn't and, he probably also didn't feel the need to after he defeated the Avengers.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Feb 14, 2019 17:29:48 GMT
^^^Or he didn’t care about the consequences and just killed 50% of the universe. Bingo. People are acting like the snap was a well-thought out, sensible plan. It was the genocidal designs of a madman who believed the ends justified the means with no thought or care to the real world consequences. Also, it's not like Thanos has any problems with collateral damage.
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Post by ThatGuy on Feb 14, 2019 18:07:36 GMT
I think it was 50% of the universe as a whole. Not 50% of each planet. The Guardians, Spider-man, Dr. Strange, and Iron Man was on Titan and only Nebula and Iron Man survived. That's more than 50% of the people on that planet.
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Post by ThatGuy on Feb 14, 2019 18:12:44 GMT
I imagine he has to have some sort of thought that went into what exactly the snap would accomplish. Because it wouldn’t make sense to just take a random 50% which could have some planets still overpopulated and others practically desolate. It also would’ve been unnecessary to take half of the population of a planet that he already massacred. Most likely Kevin Feige and/or the Russos didn't think of that when they came up with Thanos' stupid plan. Thanos's plan came from the comics.
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Post by poutinep on Feb 14, 2019 22:51:16 GMT
When he used the time stone to reverse time on Vision it did the whole spell shape thingy around his hand like in Doc Strange when he turned back time on an eaten apple. That would suggest that for him to see the possible futures he would have to do the spell through the gauntlet like Doc Strange did in IW to see the 14+ million different time lines. Not to say he didn't inbetween getting the time stone and showing up on earth. It's possible I guess. Or maybe the Gauntlet gives more innate ability to perceive possible time lines. So he doesn't have to do it like Doc did. He would only have to use the spell like abilities to effect time not see it. I could go either way on the interpretation. Both would make sense to me. Well, if Thanos could see the 14+ million different scenarios that Dr. Strange saw He can't. Why would you assume otherwise? He hasn't had the time to study or use the Time Stone that Strange has had. He doesn't have access to the books on magic that Strange has - specifically the Book of Cagliostro. He doesn't have the skill in magic that Strange has, or any skill in magic. To assume that Thanos is capable of using the Time Stone in the same way as Strange is fallacious.
It should also be obvious that the path to victory that Strange saw included Thanos not using the Time Stone as he did and taking measure to prevent losing. Did any of the 14,000,605 futures that Strange saw include Thanos using the Time Stone to see alternate futures? We'll likely never know. But the only safe assumption is that the single path to victory Strange saw does not include Thanos using the Time Stone to ultimately prevent an Avengers victory.
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Post by Archelaus on Feb 14, 2019 22:53:01 GMT
Most likely Kevin Feige and/or the Russos didn't think of that when they came up with Thanos' stupid plan. Thanos's plan came from the comics. They partially used Thanos's plan from The Infinity Gauntlet. They kept his quest for the Infinity Stones, but they changed the motive. They came up with the elimination of 50% of sentient life in the universe.
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Post by DC-Fan on Feb 14, 2019 23:12:00 GMT
Well, if Thanos could see the 14+ million different scenarios that Dr. Strange saw He can't. Why would you assume otherwise? He hasn't had the time to study or use the Time Stone that Strange has had. He doesn't have access to the books on magic that Strange has - specifically the Book of Cagliostro. He doesn't have the skill in magic that Strange has, or any skill in magic. To assume that Thanos is capable of using the Time Stone in the same way as Strange is fallacious.
It should also be obvious that the path to victory that Strange saw included Thanos not using the Time Stone as he did and taking measure to prevent losing. Did any of the 14,000,605 futures that Strange saw include Thanos using the Time Stone to see alternate futures? We'll likely never know. But the only safe assumption is that the single path to victory Strange saw does not include Thanos using the Time Stone to ultimately prevent an Avengers victory.
More BULLSHIT! Thanos already demonstated that he knew how to use the Reality Stone and the Time Stone (when he brought Vision back so he could take the stone from Vision's forehead). It doesn't take any training to use the stones.
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Post by poutinep on Feb 14, 2019 23:22:30 GMT
He can't. Why would you assume otherwise? He hasn't had the time to study or use the Time Stone that Strange has had. He doesn't have access to the books on magic that Strange has - specifically the Book of Cagliostro. He doesn't have the skill in magic that Strange has, or any skill in magic. To assume that Thanos is capable of using the Time Stone in the same way as Strange is fallacious. It should also be obvious that the path to victory that Strange saw included Thanos not using the Time Stone as he did and taking measure to prevent losing. Did any of the 14,000,605 futures that Strange saw include Thanos using the Time Stone to see alternate futures? We'll likely never know. But the only safe assumption is that the single path to victory Strange saw does not include Thanos using the Time Stone to ultimately prevent an Avengers victory.
More BULLSHIT! Thanos already demonstated that he knew how to use the Reality Stone and the Time Stone (when he brought Vision back so he could take the stone from Vision's forehead). It doesn't take any training to use the stones. He did some stuff with them sure, that doesn't mean he can do everything anyone else can do with them. The Book of Cagliostro has things in it specifically about the Time Stone (the Eye of Agamotto in the book). Cagliostro wouldn't write about using the Eye of all its abilities were completely intuitive, now would he? You're just making a foolish assumption, as usual.
Doctor Strange studying the Book of Cagliostro on the usage of the Eye of Agamotto.
Thanos's plan came from the comics. They partially used Thanos's plan from The Infinity Gauntlet. They kept his quest for the Infinity Stones, but they changed the motive. They came up with the elimination of 50% of sentient life in the universe. Eh no. Thanos has all the Stones at the start of The Infinity Gauntlet. He acquires them in the two-issue prelude The Thanos Quest. He does eliminate half the universe in the comics too, at the behest of Mistress Death, because for the first time the number of living things in the universe has become greater than the number who have died.
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Post by Archelaus on Feb 14, 2019 23:43:31 GMT
They partially used Thanos's plan from The Infinity Gauntlet. They kept his quest for the Infinity Stones, but they changed the motive. They came up with the elimination of 50% of sentient life in the universe. Eh no. Thanos has all the Stones at the start of The Infinity Gauntlet. He acquires them in the two-issue prelude The Thanos Quest. He does eliminate half the universe in the comics too, at the behest of Mistress Death, because for the first time the number of living things in the universe has become greater than the number who have died. [/quote] Oh yes, I was wrong. The snap did happen, but he did for the motive of pleasing Death and not for the control of resources which is what I meant to state.
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Post by Archelaus on Feb 14, 2019 23:46:39 GMT
They partially used Thanos's plan from The Infinity Gauntlet. They kept his quest for the Infinity Stones, but they changed the motive. They came up with the elimination of 50% of sentient life in the universe. Eh no. Thanos has all the Stones at the start of The Infinity Gauntlet. He acquires them in the two-issue prelude The Thanos Quest. He does eliminate half the universe in the comics too, at the behest of Mistress Death, because for the first time the number of living things in the universe has become greater than the number who have died. Oh yes, I was wrong. The snap did happen, but he did for the motive of pleasing Death and not for the control of resources which is what I meant to state.
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