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Post by summers8 on Feb 20, 2019 7:07:26 GMT
who needs wonder woman to take out captain marvel. alita can do it.
word on the street is alita was fantastic and a true feminist. people are talking about the film making of the movie which sounds like when fox does their job as they mostly do.
people are also beginning to notice how the media is trying to ruin to alita to prop up captain marvel and are not falling for it. I have seen alita, great movie, excellent film artistic making which as you all know is my thing.
captain marvel looks to be another generic mcu movie disney will play the female card like they did with black panther playing the race card. the world is not falling for it.
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Post by summers8 on Feb 20, 2019 7:08:14 GMT
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Post by summers8 on Feb 20, 2019 7:14:57 GMT
one thing I liked about alita, is that it felt like an xmen film. cinematography, CGI style and tone. infact alita is dystopian very much like DOFP. Also it is FOX and james cameron had input on both films so It makes sense of the similarities. even the ending of alita is ....(spoilers) very much like DOFP. an ending without an ending if you know what I mean.
great film alita. go see it. wonder why fox sold to disney when all disney is doing is making dumb version of fox films. I have not seen Capitan marvel but just from looks alone. ALita looks way better than captain marvel and the world is saying so. |
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Post by hobowar on Feb 20, 2019 7:32:30 GMT
Comparing movies that you haven't seen based on other people's opinions to fit your agenda? I expect no less from you, summers8. |
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Feb 20, 2019 7:41:27 GMT
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Post by summers8 on Feb 20, 2019 8:14:48 GMT
No thanks. well we know mcu fans dont like to watch movies better than their own. yes thanks for us. |
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Post by summers8 on Feb 20, 2019 8:15:26 GMT
Comparing movies that you haven't seen based on other people's opinions to fit your agenda? I expect no less from you, summers8 . do we need to see CM to know it's another jokey generic mcu movie? |
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Post by hobowar on Feb 20, 2019 8:22:44 GMT
Comparing movies that you haven't seen based on other people's opinions to fit your agenda? I expect no less from you, summers8 . do we need to see CM to know it's another jokey generic mcu movie? |
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Post by Vassaggo on Feb 20, 2019 8:26:05 GMT
Haven't seen Captain Marvel, but it would have to be lower end MCU to be worse than Alita in my opinion. I gave Alita 5 out of 10. IMHO For something that was built on great VFX, Action, and Heart Felt Drama I was sorely disappointed. (Saw it in 2d as 3d is wasted on me it works a little bit because of a focusing astigmatism but it's guaranteed to give me a headache.) The VFX on Alita's face was excellent it got out of the Uncanny Valley somehow. So that wasn't a distraction. The rest of the Cyborgs CGI was adequate to mediocre. It looked like exactly what it was. CGI Cyborgs. There were a few scenes that it took me out of the story with just how CGI they were, but not a lot. So I guess job done? The Action nothing particularly innovative or great. It served. The "heart felt drama" was more like melodrama. There were a few gringing moments or unintentionally funny moments that took me out of the story. The Worst Part is the Predictability of it. From here on out spoilers.
As soon as Chiren (Jennifer Connelly) was introduced as the Ex-Wife of Dr. Ito and she was morally compromised in the first half of the movie I knew she would save either one of the protagonists Hugo or Alita.
As soon as Hugo said in the first 30min if I had your body I'd climb up that cable to the Floating City, I knew he was going to lose his body and we would see him climbing up that cable.
As soon as we saw a flash back and there were defenses on that cable I knew Hugo was going to die from it.
The feint in the first 25 min of the movie that Dr. Ito might be the Killer was so badly done you knew he was going to be the guy stopping the Killer.
You knew Hugo was going to be a scrapper of Cyborgs 30 min before it's shown.
When Hugo was framed and dying (the first time) you knew she was going to share her heart (after a gringy scene earlier where she literally tried to give him her heart to sell in such a heavy handed metaphor for she loved him that it wasn't even metaphor. It was like a punch in the face. And like a walking Dues Ex Machina Chiren shows up out of know where to do it.
When the Alita's new body was found and Dr. Ito said he wouldn't put her in it with Grewishka still gunning for her you knew he would destroy her old body.
When it's mentioned that only winners of Motoball make it to the Floating City you knew that was the only way Alita would get there. How you knew Hugo was going to die from the defenses.
There were smaller ones like Grewishka killing the Dog would turn the Dog holding Cyborg to Alita's side, but beat by beat I predicted almost 85-90% of the movie to my friend watching the movie with me. He is the only one that would allow me to do that.
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Post by summers8 on Feb 20, 2019 8:53:51 GMT
Haven't seen Captain Marvel, but it would have to be lower end MCU to be worse than Alita in my opinion. I gave Alita 5 out of 10. IMHO For something that was built on great VFX, Action, and Heart Felt Drama I was sorely disappointed. (Saw it in 2d as 3d is wasted on me it works a little bit because of a focusing astigmatism but it's guaranteed to give me a headache.) The VFX on Alita's face was excellent it got out of the Uncanny Valley somehow. So that wasn't a distraction. The rest of the Cyborgs CGI was adequate to mediocre. It looked like exactly what it was. CGI Cyborgs. There were a few scenes that it took me out of the story with just how CGI they were, but not a lot. So I guess job done? The Action nothing particularly innovative or great. It served. The "heart felt drama" was more like melodrama. There were a few gringing moments or unintentionally funny moments that took me out of the story. The Worst Part is the Predictability of it. From here on out spoilers.
As soon as Chiren (Jennifer Connelly) was introduced as the Ex-Wife of Dr. Ito and she was morally compromised in the first half of the movie I knew she would save either one of the protagonists Hugo or Alita.
As soon as Hugo said in the first 30min if I had your body I'd climb up that cable to the Floating City, I knew he was going to lose his body and we would see him climbing up that cable.
As soon as we saw a flash back and there were defenses on that cable I knew Hugo was going to die from it.
The feint in the first 25 min of the movie that Dr. Ito might be the Killer was so badly done you knew he was going to be the guy stopping the Killer.
You knew Hugo was going to be a scrapper of Cyborgs 30 min before it's shown.
When Hugo was framed and dying (the first time) you knew she was going to share her heart (after a gringy scene earlier where she literally tried to give him her heart to sell in such a heavy handed metaphor for she loved him that it wasn't even metaphor. It was like a punch in the face. And like a walking Dues Ex Machina Chiren shows up out of know where to do it.
When the Alita's new body was found and Dr. Ito said he wouldn't put her in it with Grewishka still gunning for her you knew he would destroy her old body.
When it's mentioned that only winners of Motoball make it to the Floating City you knew that was the only way Alita would get there. How you knew Hugo was going to die from the defenses.
There were smaller ones like Grewishka killing the Dog would turn the Dog holding Cyborg to Alita's side, but beat by beat I predicted almost 85-90% of the movie to my friend watching the movie with me. He is the only one that would allow me to do that.
your alita opinion is the mcu opinion.we know mcu fans don't use film merit to rate films. You said alita is predictable? arent all mcu movies predictable even their best winter solider? alita was less predictable to mcu movies.
most of what you are saying are plot convenience and every movie has that only in MCU it is 10x worse. you think alita is a low class mcu movie because of those plot you mentioned. look at the problems of the best mcu movie winter solider
How the hell did Cap get flash drive into vending machine? He would either need key (which I don't think he had) or he would have to break into it which is not easiest thing to do with a lot of shield agents on your tail. And no damage was visible on the machine.
Also this has to be like worst idea ever. Any random person could try to order some snack and saw it thinking "hey cool looking flash drive and it only costs couple of snacks" and Cap would loose it. Black widow taking it was just huge luck.
When Cap has his little speech, all tech personnel stops with the landing sequence. At this point movie would end. But then STRIKE guy comes and presses few buttons and ships take off. If that is so easy, why do you have huge hall with dozens of people employed for that?
"My account was deleted, but my second eye was not" was just bullshit. How can they leave that in? Shield has some serious security problems if they can't control list of people eyes that get maximum access (which is probably very small number of them, less than 10).
Why did Pierce blew up everybody's chest except Black Widow? She would die in few minutes anyway by airships so why leave option to get beat again?
Since they had security clearance to release all info to the public, I guess they could also had clearance to send some commands to airships to land or self destruct or something? And if they couldn't do it from that room, why didn't they just take over the ship command center? Only person actually protecting the building at that point was that STRIKE guy and he was already busy fighting jetpack guy.
As soon as Cap got to the third airship, he removed original targeting chip. Wouldn't that prevent ship from targeting everybody? But it could still target until he inserted their own chip.
wining the motor bikes and making it to a floating city, was that as predictable as knowing who the winter solider was because Steve gave it away in the first 15 minutes of winter solider that it was bucky.
Alita had a slightly more compelling plot than mcu movies. disney would have struggled with it. they seem fine with winter solider.
if alita is a 5/10 in all fairness your ratings for winter solider should be 4.5/10.pointing out alita's problem when the best mcu movies has more problems debunks the opinion alita is low tier mcu movie.I expect nothing less from mcu fans, the world is rising up for alita and turning against Capitan marvel
also you know what will make alita a better film in the end? things like special effect, lead character, editing, cinematography , film -making. Alita is a real movie made by people who put all their artistry to it. captain marvel is another souless mcu factory nonsense movie following a forumla. that puts CM at a disadvantage to alita.
and if you think alita is a predicable story, it wont matter since mcu has far more predictable story and captain marvel will be no different but alita has other technical and film making advantage. CM is going to be outclassed,
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Post by Vassaggo on Feb 20, 2019 10:24:52 GMT
Haven't seen Captain Marvel, but it would have to be lower end MCU to be worse than Alita in my opinion. I gave Alita 5 out of 10. IMHO For something that was built on great VFX, Action, and Heart Felt Drama I was sorely disappointed. (Saw it in 2d as 3d is wasted on me it works a little bit because of a focusing astigmatism but it's guaranteed to give me a headache.) The VFX on Alita's face was excellent it got out of the Uncanny Valley somehow. So that wasn't a distraction. The rest of the Cyborgs CGI was adequate to mediocre. It looked like exactly what it was. CGI Cyborgs. There were a few scenes that it took me out of the story with just how CGI they were, but not a lot. So I guess job done? The Action nothing particularly innovative or great. It served. The "heart felt drama" was more like melodrama. There were a few gringing moments or unintentionally funny moments that took me out of the story. The Worst Part is the Predictability of it. From here on out spoilers.
As soon as Chiren (Jennifer Connelly) was introduced as the Ex-Wife of Dr. Ito and she was morally compromised in the first half of the movie I knew she would save either one of the protagonists Hugo or Alita.
As soon as Hugo said in the first 30min if I had your body I'd climb up that cable to the Floating City, I knew he was going to lose his body and we would see him climbing up that cable.
As soon as we saw a flash back and there were defenses on that cable I knew Hugo was going to die from it.
The feint in the first 25 min of the movie that Dr. Ito might be the Killer was so badly done you knew he was going to be the guy stopping the Killer.
You knew Hugo was going to be a scrapper of Cyborgs 30 min before it's shown.
When Hugo was framed and dying (the first time) you knew she was going to share her heart (after a gringy scene earlier where she literally tried to give him her heart to sell in such a heavy handed metaphor for she loved him that it wasn't even metaphor. It was like a punch in the face. And like a walking Dues Ex Machina Chiren shows up out of know where to do it.
When the Alita's new body was found and Dr. Ito said he wouldn't put her in it with Grewishka still gunning for her you knew he would destroy her old body.
When it's mentioned that only winners of Motoball make it to the Floating City you knew that was the only way Alita would get there. How you knew Hugo was going to die from the defenses.
There were smaller ones like Grewishka killing the Dog would turn the Dog holding Cyborg to Alita's side, but beat by beat I predicted almost 85-90% of the movie to my friend watching the movie with me. He is the only one that would allow me to do that.
your alita opinion is the mcu opinion.we know mcu fans don't use film merit to rate films. You said alita is predictable? arent all mcu movies predictable even their best winter solider? alita was less predictable to mcu movies.
most of what you are saying are plot convenience and every movie has that only in MCU it is 10x worse. you think alita is a low class mcu movie because of those plot you mentioned. look at the problems of the best mcu movie winter solider
How the hell did Cap get flash drive into vending machine? He would either need key (which I don't think he had) or he would have to break into it which is not easiest thing to do with a lot of shield agents on your tail. And no damage was visible on the machine.
Also this has to be like worst idea ever. Any random person could try to order some snack and saw it thinking "hey cool looking flash drive and it only costs couple of snacks" and Cap would loose it. Black widow taking it was just huge luck.
When Cap has his little speech, all tech personnel stops with the landing sequence. At this point movie would end. But then STRIKE guy comes and presses few buttons and ships take off. If that is so easy, why do you have huge hall with dozens of people employed for that?
"My account was deleted, but my second eye was not" was just bullshit. How can they leave that in? Shield has some serious security problems if they can't control list of people eyes that get maximum access (which is probably very small number of them, less than 10).
Why did Pierce blew up everybody's chest except Black Widow? She would die in few minutes anyway by airships so why leave option to get beat again?
Since they had security clearance to release all info to the public, I guess they could also had clearance to send some commands to airships to land or self destruct or something? And if they couldn't do it from that room, why didn't they just take over the ship command center? Only person actually protecting the building at that point was that STRIKE guy and he was already busy fighting jetpack guy.
As soon as Cap got to the third airship, he removed original targeting chip. Wouldn't that prevent ship from targeting everybody? But it could still target until he inserted their own chip.
wining the motor bikes and making it to a floating city, was that as predictable as knowing who the winter solider was because Steve gave it away in the first 15 minutes of winter solider that it was bucky.
Alita had a slightly more compelling plot than mcu movies. disney would have struggled with it. they seem fine with winter solider.
if alita is a 5/10 in all fairness your ratings for winter solider should be 4.5/10.pointing out alita's problem when the best mcu movies has more problems debunks the opinion alita is low tier mcu movie.I expect nothing less from mcu fans, the world is rising up for alita and turning against Capitan marvel
also you know what will make alita a better film in the end? things like special effect, lead character, editing, cinematography , film -making. Alita is a real movie made by people who put all their artistry to it. captain marvel is another souless mcu factory nonsense movie following a forumla. that puts CM at a disadvantage to alita.
and if you think alita is a predicable story, it wont matter since mcu has far more predictable story and captain marvel will be no different but alita has other technical and film making advantage. CM is going to be outclassed,
All of those plot conveniences didn't tell me important plot points. What's the point of watching a movie if I know exactly is going to happen. And not in broad strokes like the good guys are going to win, but specifics. You are trying to equate plot conveniences to predictable plot. The only one I said that was even close to just a plot convenience was The Dues Ex Machina of Cherin being around to do the surgery. None of my examples were even remotely a critique on them being convenient. Try to stay on topic. If you paid attention there was a guy working on the vending machine having it open. Now this didn't tell me he was going to put it in there, but once he did it's perfectly logical that somehow he snuck it in there. This doesn't give anything away in the story. Which was my argument for the predictability. You are trying to equate things you didn't quite like (or just plainly missed) in the story with things that if you pay attention to give away the whole plot. This didn't make the story predictable. It's a long shot but safer behind 5 or 10 pieces of gum than on his person. Not an argument vs predictability. Again not giving away any plot point. Remlo does tell him to preempt the launch sequence. Which would negate the other people's jobs. Which are there like other launches for communication, system check, saftey etc. if like other launches. It's it kinda shitty that one guy can do that? Yeah is it plausable yes. again you are equating plot conveniences with predicable plot. Not the same thing. Just to answer your Question He's the Director of SHEILD and has shown to be paranoid not just in Winter Soldier but every movie you would expect him not to have a backdoor? again equating plot convenience to predicable plot. Not the same thing. I thought this was irritating too. Are you physically incapable of staying on topic. Again this is a nick pick for plot convenience not to a predictable plot. It's in the realm of possibility that they couldn't do it from that room or that it would take time they didn't have. And you have Captain America and a plan in place. Another nitpick that has nothing to do with predictability. Why continue you made up that Predictability, my main problem with a movie, and equated to something completely different. If i can guess the entirety of a movie before it happens then that's a problem. And not just wide arcing guesses. Bucky being shown to Cap on the street as the Winter Soldier didn't give much away (which also happened with less than an hour from the end of a 2hr and 15m movie btw). Guessing that she was going to use Motoball as the means to get there wasn't the biggest pet peeve of the list. I like to pay attention to movies. I'm ok with me guessing somethings happening. I'm usually around 40-50% with movies that way. When it's so easy to guess every plot point there is something wrong with a movie. Hell even things like when she is talking to Vector at the end I leaned over and said "Que Grewishka for a surprise attack" Or when Zapan was fixing to interfere I leaned over and said "ED209 won't let him" As for the other aspects of the Story. It was hard to get pass guessing them to appreciate them. It's a decent if not Young Adult take on a story about Cyborgs. In fact some Dystopian Young Adult Movie Plots of past 5-8 years are better but Alita Reminded me of them. The Cgi was passable, but did take me out of the story a few times. The Cinematography was moderate to good some shots looked great spectacular even, some looked muddy and not quite finished. No complaints on the editing. Although at the very end they still used some of the more abrupt edits/cuts that are used to show action when it was just to get the last bit of epilogue in. No real problem with that though. Here's the biggest difference I went into Alita with hope that it will be a good movie. Turns out to me it wasn't. The same I do for XMU, DCEU, MCU, and every other movie I see. What's the point of going into a movie looking for it to be bad. This one time it turns out to be bad. Do I go into another Rodriquez or Cameron movie looking for it to be bad thus spoiling the well? Nope. You aren't open you going into MCU movie knowing they are going to be shit. It would have to be Citizen Kane in MCU form for you to give a positive notes. And just so you don't think I came up with all of this to just rebutte your post vs Captain Marvel I posted this on The Hellfire Club's board Feb 17, 2019 at 6:03am People with dual citizenship can confirm, plus that should even tell you how worse the predictability was if I could do it while being Flu-ish. As for other MCU movies I'm usually around 50-60% guessing things. |
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Post by summers8 on Feb 20, 2019 11:05:07 GMT
your alita opinion is the mcu opinion.we know mcu fans don't use film merit to rate films. You said alita is predictable? arent all mcu movies predictable even their best winter solider? alita was less predictable to mcu movies.
most of what you are saying are plot convenience and every movie has that only in MCU it is 10x worse. you think alita is a low class mcu movie because of those plot you mentioned. look at the problems of the best mcu movie winter solider
How the hell did Cap get flash drive into vending machine? He would either need key (which I don't think he had) or he would have to break into it which is not easiest thing to do with a lot of shield agents on your tail. And no damage was visible on the machine.
Also this has to be like worst idea ever. Any random person could try to order some snack and saw it thinking "hey cool looking flash drive and it only costs couple of snacks" and Cap would loose it. Black widow taking it was just huge luck.
When Cap has his little speech, all tech personnel stops with the landing sequence. At this point movie would end. But then STRIKE guy comes and presses few buttons and ships take off. If that is so easy, why do you have huge hall with dozens of people employed for that?
"My account was deleted, but my second eye was not" was just bullshit. How can they leave that in? Shield has some serious security problems if they can't control list of people eyes that get maximum access (which is probably very small number of them, less than 10).
Why did Pierce blew up everybody's chest except Black Widow? She would die in few minutes anyway by airships so why leave option to get beat again?
Since they had security clearance to release all info to the public, I guess they could also had clearance to send some commands to airships to land or self destruct or something? And if they couldn't do it from that room, why didn't they just take over the ship command center? Only person actually protecting the building at that point was that STRIKE guy and he was already busy fighting jetpack guy.
As soon as Cap got to the third airship, he removed original targeting chip. Wouldn't that prevent ship from targeting everybody? But it could still target until he inserted their own chip.
wining the motor bikes and making it to a floating city, was that as predictable as knowing who the winter solider was because Steve gave it away in the first 15 minutes of winter solider that it was bucky.
Alita had a slightly more compelling plot than mcu movies. disney would have struggled with it. they seem fine with winter solider.
if alita is a 5/10 in all fairness your ratings for winter solider should be 4.5/10.pointing out alita's problem when the best mcu movies has more problems debunks the opinion alita is low tier mcu movie.I expect nothing less from mcu fans, the world is rising up for alita and turning against Capitan marvel
also you know what will make alita a better film in the end? things like special effect, lead character, editing, cinematography , film -making. Alita is a real movie made by people who put all their artistry to it. captain marvel is another souless mcu factory nonsense movie following a forumla. that puts CM at a disadvantage to alita.
and if you think alita is a predicable story, it wont matter since mcu has far more predictable story and captain marvel will be no different but alita has other technical and film making advantage. CM is going to be outclassed,
All of those plot conveniences didn't tell me important plot points. What's the point of watching a movie if I know exactly is going to happen. And not in broad strokes like the good guys are going to win, but specifics. You are trying to equate plot conveniences to predictable plot. The only one I said that was even close to just a plot convenience was The Dues Ex Machina of Cherin being around to do the surgery. None of my examples were even remotely a critique on them being convenient. Try to stay on topic. If you paid attention there was a guy working on the vending machine having it open. Now this didn't tell me he was going to put it in there, but once he did it's perfectly logical that somehow he snuck it in there. This doesn't give anything away in the story. Which was my argument for the predictability. You are trying to equate things you didn't quite like (or just plainly missed) in the story with things that if you pay attention to give away the whole plot. This didn't make the story predictable. It's a long shot but safer behind 5 or 10 pieces of gum than on his person. Not an argument vs predictability. Again not giving away any plot point. Remlo does tell him to preempt the launch sequence. Which would negate the other people's jobs. Which are there like other launches for communication, system check, saftey etc. if like other launches. It's it kinda shitty that one guy can do that? Yeah is it plausable yes. again you are equating plot conveniences with predicable plot. Not the same thing. Just to answer your Question He's the Director of SHEILD and has shown to be paranoid not just in Winter Soldier but every movie you would expect him not to have a backdoor? again equating plot convenience to predicable plot. Not the same thing. I thought this was irritating too. Are you physically incapable of staying on topic. Again this is a nick pick for plot convenience not to a predictable plot. It's in the realm of possibility that they couldn't do it from that room or that it would take time they didn't have. And you have Captain America and a plan in place. Another nitpick that has nothing to do with predictability. Why continue you made up that Predictability, my main problem with a movie, and equated to something completely different. If i can guess the entirety of a movie before it happens then that's a problem. And not just wide arcing guesses. Bucky being shown to Cap on the street as the Winter Soldier didn't give much away (which also happened with less than an hour from the end of a 2hr and 15m movie btw). Guessing that she was going to use Motoball as the means to get there wasn't the biggest pet peeve of the list. I like to pay attention to movies. I'm ok with me guessing somethings happening. I'm usually around 40-50% with movies that way. When it's so easy to guess every plot point there is something wrong with a movie. Hell even things like when she is talking to Vector at the end I leaned over and said "Que Grewishka for a surprise attack" Or when Zapan was fixing to interfere I leaned over and said "ED209 won't let him" As for the other aspects of the Story. It was hard to get pass guessing them to appreciate them. It's a decent if not Young Adult take on a story about Cyborgs. In fact some Dystopian Young Adult Movie Plots of past 5-8 years are better but Alita Reminded me of them. The Cgi was passable, but did take me out of the story a few times. The Cinematography was moderate to good some shots looked great spectacular even, some looked muddy and not quite finished. No complaints on the editing. Although at the very end they still used some of the more abrupt edits/cuts that are used to show action when it was just to get the last bit of epilogue in. No real problem with that though. Here's the biggest difference I went into Alita with hope that it will be a good movie. Turns out to me it wasn't. The same I do for XMU, DCEU, MCU, and every other movie I see. What's the point of going into a movie looking for it to be bad. This one time it turns out to be bad. Do I go into another Rodriquez or Cameron movie looking for it to be bad thus spoiling the well? Nope. You aren't open you going into MCU movie knowing they are going to be shit. It would have to be Citizen Kane in MCU form for you to give a positive notes. And just so you don't think I came up with all of this to just rebutte your post vs Captain Marvel I posted this on The Hellfire Club's board Feb 17, 2019 at 6:03am People with dual citizenship can confirm, plus that should even tell you how worse the predictability was if I could do it while being Flu-ish. As for other MCU movies I'm usually around 50-60% guessing things.
Now you are back tracking. They didn’t tell you any important plot point. They did for me and others. Usually I would have to question mcu fans intelligence but I don’t need to anymorePredictable plot is almost is interchangeable with conveniences. Black Panther is one of those.All what you said about alita can be easily debunk as you are trying to do the same with winter solider.
Overall winter solider was more predictable. The bucky story line and pearce as the bad guy behind shield screamed out in the first 20 minutes of the film. Fury also not dead…in alita her boyfriend died for real. I was expecting him to come back and he didn’t. Alita plot was not that predictable to winter solider. Winter solider gave things away too fast. alita didnt.
Also you are fulfilling the predicted narrative, MCU fans are already attacking alita because it is going to kick captian marvel's ass. They are already saying it is not a good movie. talk of convenient.
logan was compared to citizen cane, first class was compared to inglorious bastards, dofp made people ask if james Cameron stole T2 from the story all along, X1 made batman begins happen quicker, Can you blame me for holding mcu to that high bar?
Bottom line is Alita has already won over captain marvel from an artistic stand point. We are now waiting for the plot of CM that I predict will be weaker than Alita
enjoy more people taking about how good alita was
also from the so called early reviews. CM is the same mcu fun generic nonsense. alita is ground breaking in film making and manga art films. so tell me who is wining?
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Post by Vassaggo on Feb 20, 2019 11:49:36 GMT
All of those plot conveniences didn't tell me important plot points. What's the point of watching a movie if I know exactly is going to happen. And not in broad strokes like the good guys are going to win, but specifics. You are trying to equate plot conveniences to predictable plot. The only one I said that was even close to just a plot convenience was The Dues Ex Machina of Cherin being around to do the surgery. None of my examples were even remotely a critique on them being convenient. Try to stay on topic. If you paid attention there was a guy working on the vending machine having it open. Now this didn't tell me he was going to put it in there, but once he did it's perfectly logical that somehow he snuck it in there. This doesn't give anything away in the story. Which was my argument for the predictability. You are trying to equate things you didn't quite like (or just plainly missed) in the story with things that if you pay attention to give away the whole plot. This didn't make the story predictable. It's a long shot but safer behind 5 or 10 pieces of gum than on his person. Not an argument vs predictability. Again not giving away any plot point. Remlo does tell him to preempt the launch sequence. Which would negate the other people's jobs. Which are there like other launches for communication, system check, saftey etc. if like other launches. It's it kinda shitty that one guy can do that? Yeah is it plausable yes. again you are equating plot conveniences with predicable plot. Not the same thing. Just to answer your Question He's the Director of SHEILD and has shown to be paranoid not just in Winter Soldier but every movie you would expect him not to have a backdoor? again equating plot convenience to predicable plot. Not the same thing. I thought this was irritating too. Are you physically incapable of staying on topic. Again this is a nick pick for plot convenience not to a predictable plot. It's in the realm of possibility that they couldn't do it from that room or that it would take time they didn't have. And you have Captain America and a plan in place. Another nitpick that has nothing to do with predictability. Why continue you made up that Predictability, my main problem with a movie, and equated to something completely different. If i can guess the entirety of a movie before it happens then that's a problem. And not just wide arcing guesses. Bucky being shown to Cap on the street as the Winter Soldier didn't give much away (which also happened with less than an hour from the end of a 2hr and 15m movie btw). Guessing that she was going to use Motoball as the means to get there wasn't the biggest pet peeve of the list. I like to pay attention to movies. I'm ok with me guessing somethings happening. I'm usually around 40-50% with movies that way. When it's so easy to guess every plot point there is something wrong with a movie. Hell even things like when she is talking to Vector at the end I leaned over and said "Que Grewishka for a surprise attack" Or when Zapan was fixing to interfere I leaned over and said "ED209 won't let him" As for the other aspects of the Story. It was hard to get pass guessing them to appreciate them. It's a decent if not Young Adult take on a story about Cyborgs. In fact some Dystopian Young Adult Movie Plots of past 5-8 years are better but Alita Reminded me of them. The Cgi was passable, but did take me out of the story a few times. The Cinematography was moderate to good some shots looked great spectacular even, some looked muddy and not quite finished. No complaints on the editing. Although at the very end they still used some of the more abrupt edits/cuts that are used to show action when it was just to get the last bit of epilogue in. No real problem with that though. Here's the biggest difference I went into Alita with hope that it will be a good movie. Turns out to me it wasn't. The same I do for XMU, DCEU, MCU, and every other movie I see. What's the point of going into a movie looking for it to be bad. This one time it turns out to be bad. Do I go into another Rodriquez or Cameron movie looking for it to be bad thus spoiling the well? Nope. You aren't open you going into MCU movie knowing they are going to be shit. It would have to be Citizen Kane in MCU form for you to give a positive notes. And just so you don't think I came up with all of this to just rebutte your post vs Captain Marvel I posted this on The Hellfire Club's board Feb 17, 2019 at 6:03am People with dual citizenship can confirm, plus that should even tell you how worse the predictability was if I could do it while being Flu-ish. As for other MCU movies I'm usually around 50-60% guessing things.
Now you are back tracking. They didn’t tell you any important plot point. They did for me and others. Usually I would have to question mcu fans intelligence but I don’t need to anymorePredictable plot is almost is interchangeable with conveniences. Black Panther is one of those.All what you said about alita can be easily debunk as you are trying to do the same with winter solider.
Overall winter solider was more predictable. The bucky story line and pearce as the bad guy behind shield screamed out in the first 20 minutes of the film. Fury also not dead…in alita her boyfriend died for real. I was expecting him to come back and he didn’t. Alita plot was not that predictable to winter solider. Winter solider gave things away too fast. alita didnt.
Also you are fulfilling the predicted narrative, MCU fans are already attacking alita because it is going to kick captian marvel's ass. They are already saying it is not a good movie. talk of convenient.
logan was compared to citizen cane, first class was compared to inglorious bastards, dofp made people ask if james Cameron stole T2 from the story all along, X1 made batman begins happen quicker, Can you blame me for holding mcu to that high bar?
Bottom line is Alita has already won over captain marvel from an artistic stand point. We are now waiting for the plot of CM that I predict will be weaker than Alita
enjoy more people taking about how good alita was
also from the so called early reviews. CM is the same mcu fun generic nonsense. alita is ground breaking in film making and manga art films. so tell me who is wining?
Where did I back track? I said my main problem was the predictability of it. I said I never have a problem with broad stroke predictability. Like going into a Batman movie and thinking he is going to beat the bad guys. I gave you 9-10 specific things that gave away other parts of the movie. You gave me things that are ways that made it easier to move the plot along. I don't know how you explain Plot Conveniences. To me it's occurrences that keep the plot flowing to stream line. IE every thing you said. Even TV Tropes defines it similar. When something happens in a piece of media to keep it\'s story from going Off the Rails. (the closest I could come to a dictionary definition) Predictable Plot Points is giving away something that is going to happen in the future. Now to others those points I brought up may not give away anything. To me it was like a flashing neon sign. Of the 10-15 different predictions I made during the movie only 1.5 didn't come true. I thought Dr. Ito would loose a body part in a fight based off his aging comment. And that Cherin would be killed and a chip put her in her head so Nova could control her and bring her to the Floating city. Based on her determination dialogue to get up there by any means. Then after her turn I leaned over and said "She'll make it up there just controlled by Nova" Which wasn't completely wrong it wasn't a chip it was just her CNS and Eyes. I'm not a genius and never have claimed to be one, so If I could predict the whole movie pretty sure the average joe could too. And there is another difference between us. I don't compare movies to a series I hate. Mainly I don't hate a series. I've hated movies in a series. I didn't go into Alita Battle Angel even thinking of the MCU or even after it. See I'm able to judge for myself about a movie without having to prop up an agenda. Notice my initial review on Hellfire only mentioned the movie. Nothing lives rent free in my head like it does you. In fact I wouldn't have even think to try to compare them. I just reposted and expanded some of the predictions because your agenda means you have to compare everything to the MCU to try and belittle it. The closest comparison I did was to Young Adult Dystopian Movies. Which Alita deals with what we think is a Teenager and the Boy she likes dealing with a Dystopian future. Now I wonder why I made the connection. Again using other people's opinion to bolster your own. You know your opinion is fine enough on it's own? Even Citizen Kane isn't universally loved. And as for your bar it's biased to what you like. And you don't like MCU as a whole. The same faults in my opinion you find in MCU can be found in almost all comic book movies you lesson those from others and zero in one the ones in the MCU. People who enjoy the MCU (along with many other franchises) aren't out to get you. Or diminish other movies because we like the MCU. My opinions on Alita have nothing to do with me liking the MCU, Nolanverse, XMU, or DCEU. (Which I like all in varying degrees) It has everything to do with it being so Predictable that I would've ruined it for John my college buddy but he doesn't care about me predicting it. The cgi was at best decent and not the spectacular vfx touted. Getting past the story predictability, the story was pretty basic which can be fine if elevated in other terms. The action sequences not being as good as I hoped. Nothing new to see. None of those things has anything to do with me liking most MCU movies. Considering I rank some MCU movies around 5 to 6 out of 10 it's not like I think they are all great. It must be hard living a life where you think conspiracies abound to deflate movies you like and inflate movies you don't. That has to be rough. |
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Feb 20, 2019 12:09:46 GMT
Never seen it
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Post by DSDSquared on Feb 20, 2019 12:50:36 GMT
Now you are back tracking. They didn’t tell you any important plot point. They did for me and others. Usually I would have to question mcu fans intelligence but I don’t need to anymorePredictable plot is almost is interchangeable with conveniences. Black Panther is one of those.All what you said about alita can be easily debunk as you are trying to do the same with winter solider.
Overall winter solider was more predictable. The bucky story line and pearce as the bad guy behind shield screamed out in the first 20 minutes of the film. Fury also not dead…in alita her boyfriend died for real. I was expecting him to come back and he didn’t. Alita plot was not that predictable to winter solider. Winter solider gave things away too fast. alita didnt.
Also you are fulfilling the predicted narrative, MCU fans are already attacking alita because it is going to kick captian marvel's ass. They are already saying it is not a good movie. talk of convenient.
logan was compared to citizen cane, first class was compared to inglorious bastards, dofp made people ask if james Cameron stole T2 from the story all along, X1 made batman begins happen quicker, Can you blame me for holding mcu to that high bar?
Bottom line is Alita has already won over captain marvel from an artistic stand point. We are now waiting for the plot of CM that I predict will be weaker than Alita
enjoy more people taking about how good alita was
also from the so called early reviews. CM is the same mcu fun generic nonsense. alita is ground breaking in film making and manga art films. so tell me who is wining?
Where did I back track? I said my main problem was the predictability of it. I said I never have a problem with broad stroke predictability. Like going into a Batman movie and thinking he is going to beat the bad guys. I gave you 9-10 specific things that gave away other parts of the movie. You gave me things that are ways that made it easier to move the plot along. I don't know how you explain Plot Conveniences. To me it's occurrences that keep the plot flowing to stream line. IE every thing you said. Even TV Tropes defines it similar. When something happens in a piece of media to keep it\'s story from going Off the Rails. (the closest I could come to a dictionary definition) Predictable Plot Points is giving away something that is going to happen in the future. Now to others those points I brought up may not give away anything. To me it was like a flashing neon sign. Of the 10-15 different predictions I made during the movie only 1.5 didn't come true. I thought Dr. Ito would loose a body part in a fight based off his aging comment. And that Cherin would be killed and a chip put her in her head so Nova could control her and bring her to the Floating city. Based on her determination dialogue to get up there by any means. Then after her turn I leaned over and said "She'll make it up there just controlled by Nova" Which wasn't completely wrong it wasn't a chip it was just her CNS and Eyes. I'm not a genius and never have claimed to be one, so If I could predict the whole movie pretty sure the average joe could too. And there is another difference between us. I don't compare movies to a series I hate. Mainly I don't hate a series. I've hated movies in a series. I didn't go into Alita Battle Angel even thinking of the MCU or even after it. See I'm able to judge for myself about a movie without having to prop up an agenda. Notice my initial review on Hellfire only mentioned the movie. Nothing lives rent free in my head like it does you. In fact I wouldn't have even think to try to compare them. I just reposted and expanded some of the predictions because your agenda means you have to compare everything to the MCU to try and belittle it. The closest comparison I did was to Young Adult Dystopian Movies. Which Alita deals with what we think is a Teenager and the Boy she likes dealing with a Dystopian future. Now I wonder why I made the connection. Again using other people's opinion to bolster your own. You know your opinion is fine enough on it's own? Even Citizen Kane isn't universally loved. And as for your bar it's biased to what you like. And you don't like MCU as a whole. The same faults in my opinion you find in MCU can be found in almost all comic book movies you lesson those from others and zero in one the ones in the MCU. People who enjoy the MCU (along with many other franchises) aren't out to get you. Or diminish other movies because we like the MCU. My opinions on Alita have nothing to do with me liking the MCU, Nolanverse, XMU, or DCEU. (Which I like all in varying degrees) It has everything to do with it being so Predictable that I would've ruined it for John my college buddy but he doesn't care about me predicting it. The cgi was at best decent and not the spectacular vfx touted. Getting past the story predictability, the story was pretty basic which can be fine if elevated in other terms. The action sequences not being as good as I hoped. Nothing new to see. None of those things has anything to do with me liking most MCU movies. Considering I rank some MCU movies around 5 to 6 out of 10 it's not like I think they are all great. It must be hard living a life where you think conspiracies abound to deflate movies you like and inflate movies you don't. That has to be rough. You are wasting far too much valuable time and energy on summers8. He is a troll. He will never agree with a word you say unless you say the MCU sucks. I actually really enjoyed Alita, but I cannot compare it to Captain Marvel, which is not out yet. I can say for certain though that Captain Marvel will make more money. |
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Post by damngumby on Feb 20, 2019 13:20:19 GMT
Looks like the butt-hurt brigade is gearing up for another round of, Who can cry louder over the unparalleled critical and financial success of the MCU!
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Post by summers8 on Feb 20, 2019 13:34:26 GMT
to vissago
MCU movies are more predictable than Alita. Take the fact or leave it.
Overall Alita is turning out to be a superior body of work. To see people rave about the technicality of the movie? What chances are there we will do the same with captain marvel?
And once captain marvel retells iron man meets dr strange meets thor meets ant man.It is over for captian marvel.Its not as if any mcu movie can stand a chance against a James Cameron passionate project. Mcu is outclassed.
I will call it now as I called Logan, dofp, into the spiderverse. captain marvel will be inferior to alita. when have I ever been wrong?
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Post by politicidal on Feb 20, 2019 21:39:22 GMT
Come on brah, we know you’re literate now. Just spell it correctly please.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Feb 20, 2019 21:53:16 GMT
Hee hee hee... summers8 used the phrase "word on the street." |
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Feb 20, 2019 22:34:44 GMT
You know you're desperate when you make a thread and make the first three replies.
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