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Post by summers8 on Feb 22, 2019 7:09:53 GMT
RDJ started acting before jackman.
jackman is now one step away from an E..GO.T. people who have won oscars, grammys, tonys, and emmy.
also this is not about their overall acting careers, its about them playing iron man and wolverine. iron man suffered under disney and is a what might have being.
RDJ as Ironman is way more celebrated than Jackman as Wolverine. maybe to MCU fans but in the real world that cared about storyu telling, acting, character development. it is just laughable to even suggest that.
apart from Christopher reeves, no is more celebrated than jackman.
logic please.
is this the same iron man that had his best film 11 years ago with iron man 1? wolverine's best film was not X-Men 1
logic please.
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Post by Prime etc. on Feb 22, 2019 7:32:40 GMT
Jackman was an unknown when he did X-men.
Downey Jr was not.
Not to mention, Jackman's Logan is more of a traditional heroic character, while Downey Jr's Stark confessed he uses his armor as a latrine if not more.
And Logan is a serious character--Tony Stark is "Irony Man."
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Post by summers8 on Feb 22, 2019 7:43:43 GMT
Jackman was an unknown when he did X-men. Downey Jr was not. Not to mention, Jackman's Logan is more of a traditional heroic character, while Downey Jr's Stark confessed he uses his armor as a latrine if not more. And Logan is a serious character--Tony Stark is "Irony Man."
Iron man was a serious character in the comics. his stories were compelling.
disney and marvel purposely told the directors and writers to make iron man more jokey and fun for the kids.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Feb 22, 2019 7:46:31 GMT
Jackman was an unknown when he did X-men. Downey Jr was not. Not to mention, Jackman's Logan is more of a traditional heroic character, while Downey Jr's Stark confessed he uses his armor as a latrine if not more. And Logan is a serious character--Tony Stark is "Irony Man."
Iron man was a serious character in the comics. his stories were compelling.
disney and marvel purposely told the directors and writers to make iron man more jokey and fun for the kids.
you know, for kids!
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Post by Prime etc. on Feb 22, 2019 7:46:35 GMT
Iron man was a serious character in the comics. his stories were compelling.
disney and marvel purposely told the directors and writers to make iron man more jokey and fun for the kids.
I know. It was meant for someone closer to a Robert Taylor type (he would have been an ideal Dr Strange).
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Post by summers8 on Feb 22, 2019 7:49:48 GMT
Iron man was a serious character in the comics. his stories were compelling.
disney and marvel purposely told the directors and writers to make iron man more jokey and fun for the kids.
you know, for kids! it is for kids since this scene look to cartoonish. like something from a video game.
this does not give a darm if kids are watching. it looks more real.
also iron man's problem is the lack of story telling. rdj just comes for his pay check. jackman actually made wolverine a character study character.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Feb 22, 2019 7:51:51 GMT
it is for kids since this scene look to cartoonish. like something from a video game.
this does not give a darm if kids are watching. it looks more real.
also iron man's problem is the lack of story telling. rdj just comes for his pay check. jackman actually made wolverine a character study character.
 Also giving a little too much credit to Jackman and everyone at Fox.  Character study? You know you're talking about a superhero franchise right, this is not Citizen Kane or The Grapes of Wrath.
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Post by Prime etc. on Feb 22, 2019 8:00:46 GMT
That clip has all the things that make MCU movies so sucky. First--that damn three limb crouching posture--for god's sake give it a rest. It looks so artificial. Second-there is so much game physics in there it isn't funny. Now, Thanos is a convincing looking CGI character, but he is so mellow. Not an effective villain-I was expecting him to give Tony a hug at the end. Dr Strange looks pretty good actually. I had not seen the actor in the part until now, and he at least looks correct.
But the X-men 2 fight is much better choreographed.
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Post by sostie on Feb 22, 2019 9:13:22 GMT
Sylvester Stallone has been playing Rocky for 42 years. That might be the longest. I was about to say Carrie Fisher wins this for playing Leia for 40 years but you just beat me with Rocky. Jamie Lee Curtis would be up there with Laurie Strode at 40 years as well
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Post by merh on Feb 22, 2019 9:20:09 GMT
RDJ Academy Awards Nomination-2 Wins-0 BAFTA Awards Nominations-2 Wins-1 Golden Globe Awards Nominations-5 Wins-3 Screen Actors Guild Awards Nominations-4 Wins-1 Jackman Academy Awards Nominations -1 Win-0 BAFTA Nominations-1 Wins-0 Golden Globe Awards Nominations -3 Wins-1 Screen Actors Guild Nominations -2 Wins-0 I believe RDJ will do just fine. RDJ started acting before jackman. jackman is now one step away from an E..GO.T. people who have won oscars, grammys, tonys, and emmy.
also this is not about their overall acting careers, its about them playing iron man and wolverine. iron man suffered under disney and is a what might have being. IMDb Xmen ----7.4 Xmen 2-7.5 Xmen 3-6.7 Days of Future Past-8 Average-7.4 Orgins-wolverine-6.6 The Wolverine-6.7 Logan-8.1 Average-7.13 IM-7.9 IM2-7 IM3-7.2 CA:CW-7.8 S:H-7.2 Average 7.42 Avengers-8.1 Avengers 2-7.4 Avengers 3-8.5 Average-8 So the Avengers is more highly regarded than Xmen Wolverine & Stark are pretty much tied. RT? Xmen -81%/83% Xmen 2-85%/85% Xmen 3-58%/61% Days of Future Past-90%/91% Average critic-78.5% Average audience- 80% Orgins-wolverine-37%/58% The Wolverine-70%/69% Logan-93%/90% Average critic-66.66% Average audience-72.33% IM- Man-93%/91% IM2-73%/71% IM3-80%/78% CA:CW-91%/89% S:H-92%/88% Average critic-85.8% Average audience-83.4% Avengers- 92%/91% Avengers 2-75%/83% Avengers 3-85%/91% Average critic-84% Average audience-88.33% Oh, dear.... Really no contest there, is it?
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Post by charzhino on Feb 22, 2019 10:18:43 GMT
Hasnt RDJ become a bit repetitve with his whole persona of brash arrogance. I know a lot of people are tired of his 'im always right' attitude and hes not progressed as a character since IM3.
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Post by summers8 on Feb 22, 2019 11:35:17 GMT
RDJ started acting before jackman. jackman is now one step away from an E..GO.T. people who have won oscars, grammys, tonys, and emmy.
also this is not about their overall acting careers, its about them playing iron man and wolverine. iron man suffered under disney and is a what might have being. IMDb Xmen ----7.4 Xmen 2-7.5 Xmen 3-6.7 Days of Future Past-8 Average-7.4 Orgins-wolverine-6.6 The Wolverine-6.7 Logan-8.1 Average-7.13 IM-7.9 IM2-7 IM3-7.2 CA:CW-7.8 S:H-7.2 Average 7.42 Avengers-8.1 Avengers 2-7.4 Avengers 3-8.5 Average-8 So the Avengers is more highly regarded than Xmen Wolverine & Stark are pretty much tied. RT? Xmen -81%/83% Xmen 2-85%/85% Xmen 3-58%/61% Days of Future Past-90%/91% Average critic-78.5% Average audience- 80% Orgins-wolverine-37%/58% The Wolverine-70%/69% Logan-93%/90% Average critic-66.66% Average audience-72.33% IM- Man-93%/91% IM2-73%/71% IM3-80%/78% CA:CW-91%/89% S:H-92%/88% Average critic-85.8% Average audience-83.4% Avengers- 92%/91% Avengers 2-75%/83% Avengers 3-85%/91% Average critic-84% Average audience-88.33% Oh, dear.... Really no contest there, is it? lol
sorry really for the sake of credibility, I don't use imdb, rt or that nonsense, no serious person does. also we know if those xmen movies were made by the mcu, they will be rated 10-20% higher. so you can use rt and all just add an extra 10%-15% to all the xmen movies.wow, do u actually believe anyone thinks ant man 2 is better than X2 because of RT?
X-Men = highly regarded as an intellectual comic series that used story, themes and drama. made people take comic movies seriously. hardly ever called out for damaging cinema.
avengers/mcu = brainless movies for the masses that have no story telling. just jokes and dumb fun and cgi. critics will even admit mcu movies are silly but just have fun with it.
How many times did we prove black panther was a poor version of x-men first class by talking about real film making aspects?
if rdj and jackman are tied, where is he LOGAN and why did he peak with Iron Man 1?
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Post by summers8 on Feb 22, 2019 11:37:43 GMT
Hasnt RDJ become a bit repetitve with his whole persona of brash arrogance. I know a lot of people are tired of his 'im always right' attitude and hes not progressed as a character since IM3. He never progressed after iron man 1.
Jon was so angered by the dumbing down he left and it got worse. RDJ had no good material to work it , AFTER IRON MAN 1.
THIS MCU FANS like merh will not talk in depth or intelligently of how mcu failed rdj. they are just screaming rt scores. they dont even see how disturbing it is that iron man 2 and iron man 3 were giving a pass after what they did with whiplash and the mandarin and tony stark substance abuse problem.
good think jackman and stewart would never have gotten away with that. it is why their movies got more respect and are taken seriously.
can MCU make a logan for RDJ? they cant even make TDKR.
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Post by charzhino on Feb 22, 2019 11:56:42 GMT
Hasnt RDJ become a bit repetitve with his whole persona of brash arrogance. I know a lot of people are tired of his 'im always right' attitude and hes not progressed as a character since IM3. He never progressed after iron man 1.
Jon was so angered by the dumbing down he left and it got worse. RDJ had no good material to work it , AFTER IRON MAN 1.
THIS MCU FANS like merh will not talk in depth or intelligently of how mcu failed rdj. they are just screaming rt scores. they dont even see how disturbing it is that iron man 2 and iron man 3 were giving a pass after what they did with whiplash and the mandarin and tony stark substance abuse problem.
good think jackman and stewart would never have gotten away with that. it is why their movies got more respect and are taken seriously.
can MCU make a logan for RDJ? they cant even make TDKR.
True, RDJ has been given average scripts to work with after IM1. IM2 had potential to go into his father-son relationship but they didnt see it througy fully. IM3 they watered his problems down to fit Disneys criteria. Just learned Gwynth Paltrow is not coming back as Pepper Pots. Why not kill her off in IM3 to give Tony Stark some real consequences of his actions like they did with Bruce in TDKR with Rachel or Wolverine after Xaviers death, as he says if he gets too close to people they usually end up dead. This should have happened to Stark by now but Disney are just too protective of wanting to kill off characters to progress stories. They always want to keep them alive so they can potentially make a tv series out of or sell toys and now Pepper Pots is not comimg back theyve absolutely wrecked her character since IM3. They killed off Yinsin in IM1 after the first 15 mins. A random faceless kid in CW to make us feel guilty for Stark. And they wussed out of killing Rhodey as well, just giving him some minor paralysis which didnt affect him much as hes back in his War Machine suit in IW having fun dropping bombs. We all know every dusted hero is coming back in Endgame. There are no stakes with Tony Stark. I think Chris Evans is best off being compared best to Jackman. At least his character has been given good material. |
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Post by blockbusted on Feb 22, 2019 20:58:21 GMT
it is for kids since this scene look to cartoonish. like something from a video game.
this does not give a darm if kids are watching. it looks more real.
also iron man's problem is the lack of story telling. rdj just comes for his pay check. jackman actually made wolverine a character study character.
Also giving a little too much credit to Jackman and everyone at Fox. Character study? You know you're talking about a superhero franchise right, this is not Citizen Kane or The Grapes of Wrath. What do you expect from a guy who thinks that 'Venom', a film that SCREAMS studio interference, is a true filmmaking?
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Post by blockbusted on Feb 22, 2019 20:59:15 GMT
IMDb Xmen ----7.4 Xmen 2-7.5 Xmen 3-6.7 Days of Future Past-8 Average-7.4 Orgins-wolverine-6.6 The Wolverine-6.7 Logan-8.1 Average-7.13 IM-7.9 IM2-7 IM3-7.2 CA:CW-7.8 S:H-7.2 Average 7.42 Avengers-8.1 Avengers 2-7.4 Avengers 3-8.5 Average-8 So the Avengers is more highly regarded than Xmen Wolverine & Stark are pretty much tied. RT? Xmen -81%/83% Xmen 2-85%/85% Xmen 3-58%/61% Days of Future Past-90%/91% Average critic-78.5% Average audience- 80% Orgins-wolverine-37%/58% The Wolverine-70%/69% Logan-93%/90% Average critic-66.66% Average audience-72.33% IM- Man-93%/91% IM2-73%/71% IM3-80%/78% CA:CW-91%/89% S:H-92%/88% Average critic-85.8% Average audience-83.4% Avengers- 92%/91% Avengers 2-75%/83% Avengers 3-85%/91% Average critic-84% Average audience-88.33% Oh, dear.... Really no contest there, is it? lol
sorry really for the sake of credibility, I don't use imdb, rt or that nonsense, no serious person does. also we know if those xmen movies were made by the mcu, they will be rated 10-20% higher. so you can use rt and all just add an extra 10%-15% to all the xmen movies.wow, do u actually believe anyone thinks ant man 2 is better than X2 because of RT?
X-Men = highly regarded as an intellectual comic series that used story, themes and drama. made people take comic movies seriously. hardly ever called out for damaging cinema.
avengers/mcu = brainless movies for the masses that have no story telling. just jokes and dumb fun and cgi. critics will even admit mcu movies are silly but just have fun with it.
How many times did we prove black panther was a poor version of x-men first class by talking about real film making aspects?
if rdj and jackman are tied, where is he LOGAN and why did he peak with Iron Man 1?
(cough) 'X-Men Origins: Wolverine' (cough)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2019 21:29:45 GMT
He'll probably get there eventually. Hugh Jackman's been Wolverine since 2000, so not only does he have more movies under his belt, but he'll always be Wolverine for a longer period of time unless RJD is Iron Man for what, like another 6 years? It's not likely.
RJD and the MCU (for me) has a stronger batting average of better movies. I'll always prefer X-Men over the Avengers, but the Avengers has my way preferred movie universe. It's just my preference, it is what it is. So for me, Hugh Jackman is one of the most entertaining components of all his X-Men movies and one of their best casting decisions.
Not to sound rude but in a roundabout way, I mostly agree that Hugh Jackman is more iconic because his movies (for me) are on average worse, which makes him specifically stand out more as lifting up the rest. He's not the only attraction in the X-Men movies, but he's often the best thing about them. He does it all from main character to supporting character to cameo and fan service. He's probably the X-Men universe MVP, save possibly for Patrick Stewart. RDJ s fantastic in my opinion, really good as Iron Man, but when Captain America, Thor, the Guardians, etc. share the screen, RDJ isn't a saving grace.
I definitely don't see either character played by anybody else. But Hugh Jackman went a ways to look like Wolverine, being super ripped and the sideburns. There's a physical transformation, and while RDJ does a truly fantastic job, he still looks like RDJ.
Logan's lucky still because Jackman had the chance to show off Wolverine and really act in Logan, which completes the versatility of his contributions. It's fun to take the piss, especially with the meta relationship between him and Deadpool, but clearly Wolverine can also be serious and all the X-Men movies needed was one serious outing to show it.
So I guess I think Hugh Jackman is the more iconic for now, but RDJ belongs to the better universe and time will probably validate him too. Unending mad respect for Hugh Jackman, even though I don't love the X-Men movies consistently as much as the MCU.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2019 23:33:05 GMT
What has stopped RDJ for not reaching the height jackman reached with the wolverine character. this is a question for MCU fans.
A question that presumes that RDJ is better than Jackman and something prevented him from being less. Well, I'd say that RDJ's onscreen charisma and superior acting talent "has stopped him for not reaching the height Jackman reached". RDJ is Ironman. Almost anyone could have played Wolverine. What's to say almost anybody couldn't have played Iron Man?
Don't get me wrong, I think he does a really solid job, but outside of the Iron Man costume he's Robert Downy Jr. Wolverine wears his costume on the outside: the body building, the hair, the sideburns. It's not a knock or a criticism, just an observation that Hugh Jackman doesn't need the outfit/costume to look like Wolverine. There's a physical transformation at play since Hugh Jackman doesn't look like Wolverine in any of his other movies. If Robert Downy Jr. isn't wearing the armor or in character, he's just himself physically.
At this point, I don't think anybody else could play Iron Man, but anybody of roughly the same size as Downy could double for Iron Man when the suit's on. Hugh Jackman's face follows him into every fight, screaming, growling, bleeding. It's mechanics; Hugh Jackman's Wolverine face could fill a poster and RDJ's Iron Man face is the helmet.
For my money the MCU's way better but I can't in good conscience agree anybody could have played Wolverine without the concession anybody could have played Iron Man.
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Post by Skaathar on Feb 22, 2019 23:50:58 GMT
RDJ as Ironman is way more celebrated than Jackman as Wolverine. maybe to MCU fans but in the real world that cared about storyu telling, acting, character development. it is just laughable to even suggest that.
apart from Christopher reeves, no is more celebrated than jackman.
logic please.
is this the same iron man that had his best film 11 years ago with iron man 1? wolverine's best film was not X-Men 1
logic please.
A logical person would be able to tell that RDJ took the world by storm when he played IM in a way that Jackman never did. People liked Jackman as Wolverine but he didn't win them over with the same dominance that RDJ did as Stark. And yes, this is the same Ironman that never starred in a movie as horrible as X3 or Origins. RDJ knocked it out of the park in his very first movie as IM. Jackman needed time to grow on us and didn't deliver a truly splendid performance till his last movie. |
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Post by charzhino on Feb 23, 2019 0:22:24 GMT
Jackman needed time to grow on us and didn't deliver a truly splendid performance till his last movie. Wrong. Jackman was instantly loved in X1. Why do you think Fox made him the premier star of the franchise right away. He was a unknown actor and propelled into certified star status. |
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