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Post by movieliker on Apr 16, 2019 18:29:44 GMT
I am talking about the brutality, unfairness, selfishness, corruption, and lawlessness of the time. (Not the dragons and zombies.) Yes, absolutely. Real European history is even more fascinating than GOT. The politics, seduction, backstabbing and wars of the time are what GRRM based his story on. I agree. Although I believe human history --- not just European history --- is more brutal and unfair compared to the reality for most people today. With that in mind, what do you think of all these posters who think life today is worse than ever before, getting worse, and humanity is headed to some kind of dystopia, or even extinction?
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Apr 16, 2019 18:39:16 GMT
Yes, absolutely. Real European history is even more fascinating than GOT. The politics, seduction, backstabbing and wars of the time are what GRRM based his story on. I agree. Although I believe human history --- not just European history --- is more brutal and unfair compared to the reality for most people today. With that in mind, what do you think of all these posters which think life today is worse than ever before, getting worse, and humanity is headed to some kind of dystopia, or even extinction? People get lost to hyperbole in the moment. If they ever sat down and thought about it (or looked at the statistics) they'd realize this is literally the best time to be alive in human history. We have problems, serious problems that need to be addressed; but we have the technology and industry to solve these problems if we organize ourselves properly. More than ever it's up to us, and that fact in itself puts us ahead of our ancestors in the quality of life department.
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Post by movieliker on Apr 16, 2019 18:39:55 GMT
Thank you for identifying who or what Ser Pounce is. But after that, I feel your posted video is WAY TOO MUCH INFORMATION !!! I cut it off at two and a half minutes.
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Post by movieliker on Apr 16, 2019 18:44:38 GMT
I agree. Although I believe human history --- not just European history --- is more brutal and unfair compared to the reality for most people today. With that in mind, what do you think of all these posters which think life today is worse than ever before, getting worse, and humanity is headed to some kind of dystopia, or even extinction? People get lost to hyperbole in the moment. If they ever sat down and thought about it (or looked at the statistics) they'd realize this is literally the best time to be alive in human history. We have problems, serious problems that need to be addressed; but we have the technology and industry to solve these problems if we organize ourselves properly. More than ever it's up to us, and that fact in itself puts us ahead of our ancestors in the quality of life department. I agree with everything you have said except people getting lost in hyperbole. I think they are just ignorant of history and pathetically short sighted. I am talking about posters polled. Not people responding knee jerk to the catastrophe of the moment.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Apr 16, 2019 18:58:45 GMT
Poor Ser Pounce. Damn you Cercei
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Post by klawrencio79 on Apr 16, 2019 19:06:47 GMT
Yes, absolutely. Real European history is even more fascinating than GOT. The politics, seduction, backstabbing and wars of the time are what GRRM based his story on. I agree. Although I believe human history --- not just European history --- is more brutal and unfair compared to the reality for most people today. With that in mind, what do you think of all these posters who think life today is worse than ever before, getting worse, and humanity is headed to some kind of dystopia, or even extinction? Extinction is an inevitability.
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Post by movieliker on Apr 16, 2019 19:08:25 GMT
I agree. Although I believe human history --- not just European history --- is more brutal and unfair compared to the reality for most people today. With that in mind, what do you think of all these posters who think life today is worse than ever before, getting worse, and humanity is headed to some kind of dystopia, or even extinction? Extinction is an inevitability. Ha ha ha . . .
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Post by bluerisk on Apr 16, 2019 19:35:40 GMT
I can fully understand Sam, and I have no trust in Daenerys:
When they marched in, you were shown the disgruntled people of the North, but this turned into fear when they saw the dragons, and the reaction of Daenerys was a smile. The reaction to her power, the fear and terror of these people, pleased her. Or when Sansa correctly pointed out that they might have assembled the greatest armies in the world, but how should they fed this greatest army in the world now...and two dragons ...and what do they eat anyway. Daenerys: Whatever they like. And here one should maybe remember, that they burned and ate a little girl alive, or how she fed prisoners to her dragons - alive. Imho she is more and more growing into her father's footsteps. What an irony if the Night's king would bring an end to her reign of fire and blood - or the king's slayer, or Aegon Targaryen, the Azor Ahai(?).
Sam was great, I liked how Sansa was ten times more realistic then every other characters in this episode: from the Lannister army to the point how to feed this army. Stannis lost his war not on the battle filed, for he was already on his knees before it began.
Preparation is all: it was in the case of Stannis, it was the case in the battle of the bastards, when Snow was ignoring every advice of her, and she thus didn't even bother to beg him to wait for the army of the Vale. She beg him over and over to wait for they have not enough men. She didn't know herself, if Littlefinger would stand to his word or not, especially after her own family failed her (=> The Blackfish, who preferred to waste his life and men for a useless cause instead to help his family, his niece). If they don't solve this problem, and the show maker does not provide a deus ex machina solution, the Night's King just needed to starve them out. But I guess the battle will come soon, and dead people do not need to eat.
Bran and Jaime was also intense, and my guess is that Bran has forgiven him, and won't tell anyone that he knows who threw him down the tower. Maybe their destinies continue to be intertwined.
Like:
Sam Sansa Bran Jamie Yara and Theon (first the butthead, but then the reached hand...)
where the best characters in my humble opion. Some honorable mentions to Arya (defending her sister) and the Hound, Dolorous Ed (Jon Snow: Don't knock down the wall! I'll try my best...) and the blued eyed Wildling.
Dislike
Euron
Cercei becomes more book Cercei,
Tyrion continues his way down the gutter,
and the blonde bimbo is the worst.
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Post by hehatesshe on Apr 16, 2019 20:07:13 GMT
Lighten up, we're just having some fun. Nobody said the Saints suck or anything. I am not being "heavy". It is just sports. But sdm3, klawercio79, hehateshe, etc. want to argue the point that the Saints were not screwed by a bad call in last year's NFC Championship game. I never said they never had a chance after that "no call". I just said it looks suspiciously like intentional cheating. Arguing about sports is half the fun. False. I never said, and I doubt the others did either, that the saints weren't screwed by a bad call. I argued you're point that a bad call meant it was obviously rigged. I did, however, agree with someone post from November-ish that said that bad calls happen to all teams, they even out in the end, and the good teams overcome. I liked that guy.
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Post by hehatesshe on Apr 16, 2019 20:10:34 GMT
Ser Mix-a-Lot is a character on the show. He did not appear in Sunday night's episode. If my theory is correct, he actually DID appear.
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Post by Jep Gambardella on Apr 17, 2019 15:28:00 GMT
I agree. Although I believe human history --- not just European history --- is more brutal and unfair compared to the reality for most people today. With that in mind, what do you think of all these posters which think life today is worse than ever before, getting worse, and humanity is headed to some kind of dystopia, or even extinction? People get lost to hyperbole in the moment. If they ever sat down and thought about it (or looked at the statistics) they'd realize this is literally the best time to be alive in human history. We have problems, serious problems that need to be addressed; but we have the technology and industry to solve these problems if we organize ourselves properly. More than ever it's up to us, and that fact in itself puts us ahead of our ancestors in the quality of life department.
2019 is clearly better than 1919 or 1019, but is it better than 1979? Other than in terms of technology, I am really not so sure (well, it depends on the country, I guess - China and India, Ireland, Spain and Portugal definitely, but the USA, Canada, the UK, France, Germany, Italy?)
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Apr 17, 2019 16:20:37 GMT
People get lost to hyperbole in the moment. If they ever sat down and thought about it (or looked at the statistics) they'd realize this is literally the best time to be alive in human history. We have problems, serious problems that need to be addressed; but we have the technology and industry to solve these problems if we organize ourselves properly. More than ever it's up to us, and that fact in itself puts us ahead of our ancestors in the quality of life department.
2019 is clearly better than 1919 or 1019, but is it better than 1979? Other than in terms of technology, I am really not so sure (well, it depends on the country, I guess - China and India, Ireland, Spain and Portugal definitely, but the USA, Canada, the UK, France, Germany, Italy?)
Well I can't speak for Canada but the people of the US are absolutely better off now than they were in 1979. If we're talking social change, they're better off now than they were in 1999.
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Apr 17, 2019 16:27:27 GMT
2019 is clearly better than 1919 or 1019, but is it better than 1979? Other than in terms of technology, I am really not so sure (well, it depends on the country, I guess - China and India, Ireland, Spain and Portugal definitely, but the USA, Canada, the UK, France, Germany, Italy?)
Well I can't speak for Canada but the people of the US are absolutely better off now than they were in 1979. If we're talking social change, they're better off now than they were in 1999. When W was president, I was like “This guy sucks, he is the worst, dumbest president ever.” Today I stand corrected. Do you think 20 or 30 years from now we’ll elect a president that will make us yearn for the days of Trump? Because today I’d trade Trump and Mike Trout and Joel Embiid just to go back to W.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Apr 17, 2019 16:45:08 GMT
Well I can't speak for Canada but the people of the US are absolutely better off now than they were in 1979. If we're talking social change, they're better off now than they were in 1999. When W was president, I was like “This guy sucks, he is the worst, dumbest president ever.” Today I stand corrected. Do you think 20 or 30 years from now we’ll elect a president that will make us yearn for the days of Trump? Because today I’d trade Trump and Mike Trout and Joel Embiid just to go back to W. Trump is a disaster but society has still progressed despite him. And my original point went beyond politics. I was talking medicine, technology, communication, social awareness, etc. The human race is better off today than we (almost said they and blew my cover) ever have been, Trump notwithstanding. I came up with a game the other day. I was trying to think of one, just one single US President in history that would listen to Trump speak on any topic at all or read over his policies and not think he was a total embarrassment to the office. I couldn't come up with one. The biggest moron I could imagine was W, and even he resents Trump! In fact, he's been making the rounds since 2016 on this, "I wasn't so bad was I," tour in the media. You sir were also a morally corrupt imbecile, we haven't forgotten. The biggest difference between W and Trump is that W wasn't on Twitter. Andrew Jackson might appreciate the plain-speaking lunacy Trump spews but he'd see right through the rhetoric and realize Trump only represents the elite, then he'd beat him with his cane. 95% of them would be horrified by this clown; Pierce would just assume Trump was a drunken hallucination. If only we could sleep Trump off.
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Post by Jep Gambardella on Apr 17, 2019 17:14:34 GMT
When W was president, I was like “This guy sucks, he is the worst, dumbest president ever.” Today I stand corrected. Do you think 20 or 30 years from now we’ll elect a president that will make us yearn for the days of Trump? Because today I’d trade Trump and Mike Trout and Joel Embiid just to go back to W. Trump is a disaster but society has still progressed despite him. And my original point went beyond politics. I was talking medicine, technology, communication, social awareness, etc. The human race is better off today than we (almost said they and blew my cover) ever have been, Trump notwithstanding. Whereas I was thinking concentration of wealth, people having to work longer with fewer benefits, more debt, fewer (or worse quality) services. Not to mention the environment.
Maybe it's just me. I do have a tendency to not only see the glass as half empty, but to think that the liquid that is in there is probably poisoned, too.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Apr 17, 2019 17:21:15 GMT
Trump is a disaster but society has still progressed despite him. And my original point went beyond politics. I was talking medicine, technology, communication, social awareness, etc. The human race is better off today than we (almost said they and blew my cover) ever have been, Trump notwithstanding. Whereas I was thinking concentration of wealth, people having to work longer with fewer benefits, more debt, fewer (or worse quality) services. Not to mention the environment.
Maybe it's just me. I do have a tendency to not only see the glass as half empty, but to think that the liquid that is in there is probably poisoned, too.
Fair. Distribution of wealth has actually gotten worse in the last 40 years, no question about that. And the environment is one of the concerns I referenced in my initial post on this topic. But the mechanisms are there to deal with most of these problems, it's up to us to implement them.
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Post by bluerisk on Apr 17, 2019 19:30:57 GMT
What kind of abomination is this: NFL (post Super Bowl), Trump and god knows, but not GoT!
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Post by DSDSquared on Apr 17, 2019 19:34:30 GMT
I can fully understand Sam, and I have no trust in Daenerys: When they marched in, you were shown the disgruntled people of the North, but this turned into fear when they saw the dragons, and the reaction of Daenerys was a smile. The reaction to her power, the fear and terror of these people, pleased her. Or when Sansa correctly pointed out that they might have assembled the greatest armies in the world, but how should they fed this greatest army in the world now...and two dragons ...and what do they eat anyway. Daenerys: Whatever they like. And here one should maybe remember, that they burned and ate a little girl alive, or how she fed prisoners to her dragons - alive. Imho she is more and more growing into her father's footsteps. What an irony if the Night's king would bring an end to her reign of fire and blood - or the king's slayer, or Aegon Targaryen, the Azor Ahai(?). Sam was great, I liked how Sansa was ten times more realistic then every other characters in this episode: from the Lannister army to the point how to feed this army. Stannis lost his war not on the battle filed, for he was already on his knees before it began. Preparation is all: it was in the case of Stannis, it was the case in the battle of the bastards, when Snow was ignoring every advice of her, and she thus didn't even bother to beg him to wait for the army of the Vale. She beg him over and over to wait for they have not enough men. She didn't know herself, if Littlefinger would stand to his word or not, especially after her own family failed her (=> The Blackfish, who preferred to waste his life and men for a useless cause instead to help his family, his niece). If they don't solve this problem, and the show maker does not provide a deus ex machina solution, the Night's King just needed to starve them out. But I guess the battle will come soon, and dead people do not need to eat. Bran and Jaime was also intense, and my guess is that Bran has forgiven him, and won't tell anyone that he knows who threw him down the tower. Maybe their destinies continue to be intertwined. Like: Sam Sansa Bran Jamie Yara and Theon (first the butthead, but then the reached hand...) where the best characters in my humble opion. Some honorable mentions to Arya (defending her sister) and the Hound, Dolorous Ed (Jon Snow: Don't knock down the wall! I'll try my best...) and the blued eyed Wildling. Dislike Euron Cercei becomes more book Cercei, Tyrion continues his way down the gutter, and the blonde bimbo is the worst. Some of these points are good, but you give Sansa WAY too much credit. What exactly did she offer at the Battle of the Bastards? She did not offer anything. Jon asked for her advice. She gave none. She went to see Petyr and did not tell Jon. She knew, or at least hoped, the Vale were coming to assist them, yet she told Jon nothing, even when he was hesitant to attack because of the lack of men. She has grown a lot as a character, but she is still a spoiled little girl. When Davos, Tormund, and Jon were in the Commander's Tent preparing for the Battle of the Bastards the night before, Sansa was there too. She never said a word. Then, when the meeting was over, she yelled at Jon for not including her and said, "Do you ever think that maybe you should ask my advice?" What? He did, idiot. You were invited to the Commander's Tent. You were standing right next to Davos and Tormund. You just stood there and said nothing. He also DID ask your advice, Sansa. He specifically said he did not have the men and he was not optimistic about their chances, but if they were going to have any chance, they would have to attack now. He was right. He asked her for another option. She stated she did not have one. She actually did. Don't get me wrong, I think that Jon is an idiot. I could write a dissertation on the terrible decisions he has made throughout the show, but to act like he somehow ignored and did not seek Sansa's council is ridiculous. He did, and she is just as dumb as him.
Also keep in mind that Sansa was the one who forced Jon to raise these armies and attack in the first place. He was ready to retire.
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Post by DSDSquared on Apr 17, 2019 19:35:08 GMT
When W was president, I was like “This guy sucks, he is the worst, dumbest president ever.” Today I stand corrected. Do you think 20 or 30 years from now we’ll elect a president that will make us yearn for the days of Trump? Because today I’d trade Trump and Mike Trout and Joel Embiid just to go back to W. Trump is a disaster but society has still progressed despite him. And my original point went beyond politics. I was talking medicine, technology, communication, social awareness, etc. The human race is better off today than we (almost said they and blew my cover) ever have been, Trump notwithstanding. I came up with a game the other day. I was trying to think of one, just one single US President in history that would listen to Trump speak on any topic at all or read over his policies and not think he was a total embarrassment to the office. I couldn't come up with one. The biggest moron I could imagine was W, and even he resents Trump! In fact, he's been making the rounds since 2016 on this, "I wasn't so bad was I," tour in the media. You sir were also a morally corrupt imbecile, we haven't forgotten. The biggest difference between W and Trump is that W wasn't on Twitter. Andrew Jackson might appreciate the plain-speaking lunacy Trump spews but he'd see right through the rhetoric and realize Trump only represents the elite, then he'd beat him with his cane. 95% of them would be horrified by this clown; Pierce would just assume Trump was a drunken hallucination. If only we could sleep Trump off. Can we stick to Game of Thrones? This isn't the politics board.
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Post by Aj_June on Apr 17, 2019 23:00:04 GMT
I can fully understand Sam, and I have no trust in Daenerys: Tyrion continues his way down the gutter, and the blonde bimbo is the worst. Some of these points are good, but you give Sansa WAY too much credit. What exactly did she offer at the Battle of the Bastards? She did not offer anything. Jon asked for her advice. She gave none. She went to see Petyr and did not tell Jon.
I think Arya maybe on to something big with that new weapon she wants for herself. Might take down the Night King or at least one of the walkers.
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