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Post by maya55555 on Apr 1, 2019 16:28:44 GMT
St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle, be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil. May God rebuke him we humbly pray; and do thou, O Prince of the Heavenly host, by the power of God, cast into hell Satan and all the evil spirits who prowl about the world seeking the ruin of souls. Amen.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Apr 1, 2019 16:33:27 GMT
Amen.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2019 19:10:17 GMT
St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle, be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil. May God rebuke him we humbly pray; and do thou, O Prince of the Heavenly host, by the power of God, cast into hell Satan and all the evil spirits who prowl about the world seeking the ruin of souls. Amen. Why would God rebuke the devil? Sure as he Himself gave the devil licence to operate. The devil couldn't get involved amongst men and women until God himself gave him licence to. That is OT scripture.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Apr 1, 2019 19:16:04 GMT
St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle, be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil. May God rebuke him we humbly pray; and do thou, O Prince of the Heavenly host, by the power of God, cast into hell Satan and all the evil spirits who prowl about the world seeking the ruin of souls. Amen. Why would God rebuke the devil? Sure as he Himself gave the devil licence to operate. The devil couldn't get involved amongst men and women until God himself gave him licence to. That is OT scripture. Okay. What is to be done about it?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2019 19:20:06 GMT
Why would God rebuke the devil? Sure as he Himself gave the devil licence to operate. The devil couldn't get involved amongst men and women until God himself gave him licence to. That is OT scripture. Okay. What is to be done about it? Nothing on my behalf... I'm a Catholic, a Christian. Jesus took away all that and brought God's New Covenant... Evil is in the hearts of men and women, not a mythological entity.
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Post by clusium on Apr 1, 2019 19:26:14 GMT
Okay. What is to be done about it? Nothing on my behalf... I'm a Catholic, a Christian. Jesus took away all that and brought God's New Covenant... Evil is in the hearts of men and women, not a mythological entity. Then surely you know that the Prayer to St. Michael in which Maya had just posted, is a Catholic prayer, don't you?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2019 19:30:06 GMT
Nothing on my behalf... I'm a Catholic, a Christian. Jesus took away all that and brought God's New Covenant... Evil is in the hearts of men and women, not a mythological entity. Then surely you know that the Prayer to St. Michael in which Maya had just posted, is a Catholic prayer, don't you? Not one that I pray. Whatever floats your boat I guess 🤷 There's nothing in my Profession of Faith about that stuff. I'm with the majority of Catholics who don't believe in demons and such. Maya isn't even a Catholic.
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Post by clusium on Apr 1, 2019 19:31:52 GMT
Then surely you know that the Prayer to St. Michael in which Maya had just posted, is a Catholic prayer, don't you? Not one that I pray. Whatever floats your boat I guess 🤷 There's nothing in my Profession of Faith about that stuff. I'm with the majority of Catholics who don't believe in demons and such. The majority of practicing Catholics accept demons as doctrine.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2019 19:33:57 GMT
Not one that I pray. Whatever floats your boat I guess 🤷 There's nothing in my Profession of Faith about that stuff. I'm with the majority of Catholics who don't believe in demons and such. The majority of practicing Catholics accept demons as doctrine. No, they don't... Only around 25% do. I attend Mass three times a week... when demons come up in readings, the Priest usually says in his homily 'whether you believe they are real, or metaphors' We have moved on from Medieval thinking.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Apr 1, 2019 19:39:58 GMT
Then surely you know that the Prayer to St. Michael in which Maya had just posted, is a Catholic prayer, don't you? Not one that I pray. Whatever floats your boat I guess 🤷 There's nothing in my Profession of Faith about that stuff. I'm with the majority of Catholics who don't believe in demons and such. Maya isn't even a Catholic. Yes, she is a Catholic.
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Post by Aj_June on Apr 1, 2019 19:44:27 GMT
The majority of practicing Catholics accept demons as doctrine. No, they don't... Only around 25% do. I attend Mass three times a week... when demons come up in readings, the Priest usually says in his homily 'whether you believe they are real, or metaphors' We have moved on from Medieval thinking. No, that is highly doubtful and I believe Clusium is right. Vatican itself believes in demons and exorcism and recently has even declared that they will provide better training to exorcists.
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Post by clusium on Apr 1, 2019 19:44:33 GMT
The majority of practicing Catholics accept demons as doctrine. No, they don't... Only around 25% do. I attend Mass three times a week... when demons come up in readings, the Priest usually says in his homily 'whether you believe they are real, or metaphors' We have moved on from Medieval thinking. I have never known a priest that says that. In fact, I have had priests that have warned us that Satan actually likes it when people say that he & Hell do not exist.
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Post by clusium on Apr 1, 2019 19:56:09 GMT
No, they don't... Only around 25% do. I attend Mass three times a week... when demons come up in readings, the Priest usually says in his homily 'whether you believe they are real, or metaphors' We have moved on from Medieval thinking. No, that is highly doubtful and I believe Clusium is right. Vatican itself believes in demons and exorcism and recently has even declared that they will provide better training to exorcists.
We just had a visiting exorcist priest come visit my parish, & do a talk, a few weeks ago.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2019 19:58:35 GMT
No, they don't... Only around 25% do. I attend Mass three times a week... when demons come up in readings, the Priest usually says in his homily 'whether you believe they are real, or metaphors' We have moved on from Medieval thinking. No, that is highly doubtful and I believe Clusium is right. Vatican itself believes in demons and exorcism and recently has even declared that they will provide better training to exorcists.
Says it all mate... Most Christians don't believe in it, no young Priests want to learn it. Some people can't separate fiction from reality. They watch a few horror films and go mental. Exorcism wasn't even a thing for the Catholic Church until the Exorcist film (8/10)... we knocked that shit on the head a long time ago. Film comes out and it becomes a thing again... It's fiction people, and it's not even about the 'possession'... It's about Fr. Karras' crisis of faith after the death of his mother.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2019 20:04:02 GMT
No, that is highly doubtful and I believe Clusium is right. Vatican itself believes in demons and exorcism and recently has even declared that they will provide better training to exorcists.
 We just had a visiting exorcist priest come visit my parish, & do a talk, a few weeks ago. Let me guess, you're in America 🤔
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Post by Aj_June on Apr 1, 2019 20:04:39 GMT
No, that is highly doubtful and I believe Clusium is right. Vatican itself believes in demons and exorcism and recently has even declared that they will provide better training to exorcists.
Says it all mate... Most Christians don't believe in it, no young Priests want to learn it. Some people can't separate fiction from reality. They watch a few horror films and go mental. Exorcism wasn't even a thing for the Catholic Church until the Exorcist film (8/10)... we knocked that shit on the head a long time ago. Film comes out and it becomes a thing again... It's fiction people, and it's not even about the 'possession'... It's about Fr. Karras' crisis of faith after the death of his mother. It doesn't says anything what you believe it does. Why do you want to be so authoritative of what Catholic position is or is not? It's a very bad trait. The Vatican and the Church itself supports the belief in demons and exorcism. 500,000 alleged cases of demonic possession in Italy itself is reported annually. Those are cases in which people claim to be possessed by demons. Believing in demons may be much much higher.
If you believe believing in demons is stupid then just say that. There is no need of trying to put a false picture of religious leaders and other Catholics about that. Or of lying about core Catholic belief itself.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2019 20:16:30 GMT
Says it all mate... Most Christians don't believe in it, no young Priests want to learn it. Some people can't separate fiction from reality. They watch a few horror films and go mental. Exorcism wasn't even a thing for the Catholic Church until the Exorcist film (8/10)... we knocked that shit on the head a long time ago. Film comes out and it becomes a thing again... It's fiction people, and it's not even about the 'possession'... It's about Fr. Karras' crisis of faith after the death of his mother. It doesn't says anything what you believe it does. Fuckin Ada, yes it does, and I quote from what you yersen just posted... "Many Christians no longer believe in [the devil’s] existence, few exorcists are appointed and there are no more young priests willing to learn”
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Post by clusium on Apr 1, 2019 20:23:25 GMT
We just had a visiting exorcist priest come visit my parish, & do a talk, a few weeks ago. Let me guess, you're in America 🤔 Canada (which is part of North America).
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Post by Aj_June on Apr 1, 2019 20:23:33 GMT
Can anyone point me to scripture in the New Testament that expounds on the new covenant? I'm fascinated that some Christians might not believe in the Devil. I'm no scholar, so I'm open to other interpretations, but I'd need to see something in the scriptures to support that belief. It is obvious that people are trying to reform their religions as more and more scientific explanations are coming up to explain certain things. What was earlier deemed as demonic possession may now be seen as schizophrenia or other kinds of mental problems. Some of these cases are treatable because of new medical advancements. But the fact remains that when the religion was written it was implied that things such as demons/Adam/Eve were real beings and not just allegorical or metaphorical tools to help explain things. I have no issues with people who are leaving behind old thoughts for new and in fact I welcome them. But they should not lie about original scriptures. They should be honest. Put integrity and say that when the religion was written mankind was less advanced and tended to believe in demons etc. Now we should leave behind those parts of scriptures and concentrate on the more relevant parts.
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