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Post by amyghost on Apr 16, 2019 0:31:11 GMT
Give it a break. The whole freakin' anti-choice movement is the product of the far right evangelicals manipulating secular laws that guarantee the right to abortion, essentially succeeding in many states' passing laws and provisions designed to intimidate providers away. The evangelical right has been successful in getting laws passed that allow for businesses to refuse to provide insurance for contraceptives if a company or owner decides it goes against their religious beliefs. Evangelicals have done end runs around laws in many states that had abolished prayer in schools, and there have been a number of instances of individuals refusing to do their jobs of granting marriage licenses to gay couples or filling prescriptions for birth control pills, even when the law demanded that they do so, with these cases tying up the courts while the Christian right tries to argue that the individuals' religious beliefs should be permitted to override secular laws. The US is becoming the laughingstock of the West for the degree of latitude it's ceded to the Christ-nutters. And don't give me that tired old drill about all the power 'them atheists' have of getting religious symbols removed from public places. For every one instance of that happening there are twenty more of Christ-zealots denying rights to atheists to hold public office, teach, or even publicly exercise their first amendment rights to air their views. Then you attempt to hide behind typical boilerplate Islamophobia, and that droning whine about how us satanic types love every other religion but hate Christianity...which may pass muster with the gang of toddlers who fall for that line, but fools no one with an IQ above room temperature. Cite me some examples of all this Muslim social engineering you claim is so rampant (and I mean documented cases with solid evidence, and not the usual idiot urban-legend/Alex Jones mouth-breather crap your sort tend to be fond of peddling), and we'll see how those instances stack up against the myriad examples of evangelical attempts to tinker with secular law that take place in this country on a damn near daily basis. And the left whines over a bakery while gays in Muslim countries get shoved off rooftops. And the left whines over a bakery while gays in Muslim countries get shoved off rooftops. The percentage of Muslims in the US is miniscule, so I would have to direct you to countries where Islam is the majority religion so that you can make your own comparison. Where would you rather live? Which answers my above point how, exactly? Oh, right, it doesn't--it's an evasive move on your part since you can't deny the factuality of what I posted. And, as per usual, you can't deny my baseline point that rightwing Christian extremists can and do bend secular law in the US to their will on an ongoing basis, so you also come back with the tired saw about whether 'you'd rather live here or in an Islamic country'. We are here, sweetie, and we're discussing here, so confine your answers to the nation we're actually living in. After you demonstrate that you can do this, we'll move on to those Islamic nations that I suspect you know little or nothing about daily life in, as apart from the sensationalized schlock Faux News drip feeds to you.
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Post by heeeeey on Apr 16, 2019 0:43:51 GMT
And the left whines over a bakery while gays in Muslim countries get shoved off rooftops. The percentage of Muslims in the US is miniscule, so I would have to direct you to countries where Islam is the majority religion so that you can make your own comparison. Where would you rather live? Which answers my above point how, exactly? Oh, right, it doesn't--it's an evasive move on your part since you can't deny the factuality of what I posted. And, as per usual, you can't deny my baseline point that rightwing Christian extremists can and do bend secular law in the US to their will on an ongoing basis, so you also come back with the tired saw about whether 'you'd rather live here or in an Islamic country'. We are here, sweetie, and we're discussing here, so confine your answers to the nation we're actually living in. After you demonstrate that you can do this, we'll move on to those Islamic nations that I suspect you know little or nothing about daily life in, as apart from the sensationalized schlock Faux News drip feeds to you. Where would you rather live? In the US with all the awful Christians or in a Muslim country?
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Post by politicidal on Apr 16, 2019 2:53:07 GMT
Well duh, it's at Area 51. Doesn't anybody remember Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull?
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Post by amyghost on Apr 16, 2019 12:22:39 GMT
"And the left whines over a bakery while gays in Muslim countries get shoved off rooftops." Which answers my above point how, exactly? Oh, right, it doesn't--it's an evasive move on your part since you can't deny the factuality of what I posted. And, as per usual, you can't deny my baseline point that rightwing Christian extremists can and do bend secular law in the US to their will on an ongoing basis, so you also come back with the tired saw about whether 'you'd rather live here or in an Islamic country'. We are here, sweetie, and we're discussing here, so confine your answers to the nation we're actually living in. After you demonstrate that you can do this, we'll move on to those Islamic nations that I suspect you know little or nothing about daily life in, as apart from the sensationalized schlock Faux News drip feeds to you. Where would you rather live? In the US with all the awful Christians or in a Muslim country? You can't respond to the answer I provided detailing just a few of the various ways in which the Christian right attempts, and succeeds, in derailing secular law in the US (which you attempted to claim wasn't the case), so you're now going to keep banging away at trying to switch the topic. Answer me on the points I made, then I'll answer your subject. If you can't provide an answer specifically to my points, it tells me you're full of sh!t, and evasive to boot, and aren't worth the effort to continue the discussion. But just so you don't think you've scored points with the fundies, here's a list of countries with large/majority Muslim populations that are beautiful, safe for non-Muslims, and would be, with a couple of exceptions, quite safe for a non-believer to live in: www.tripoto.com/trip/stunning-muslim-countries-that-everyone-needs-to-visit-589d74869163aI saw several on that list I'd be more than happy to move to, should I be fortunate enough to come into the money it would take to relocate. But you stick around and be content with the earthly paradise you believe the US to be, lol. BTW, in my misspent youth I visited Morocco for a couple of months, and it was gorgeous, safe, and I had some of the best time of my life among Allah's own. From what I gather, nothing about the place has changed, and I hope to get a chance to visit again before I'm too old to enjoy it properly. So thanks for helping to revive some very pleasant memories  .
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Post by heeeeey on Apr 16, 2019 13:16:17 GMT
Where would you rather live? In the US with all the awful Christians or in a Muslim country? You can't respond to the answer I provided detailing just a few of the various ways in which the Christian right attempts, and succeeds, in derailing secular law in the US (which you attempted to claim wasn't the case), so you're now going to keep banging away at trying to switch the topic. Answer me on the points I made, then I'll answer your subject. If you can't provide an answer specifically to my points, it tells me you're full of sh!t, and evasive to boot, and aren't worth the effort to continue the discussion. But just so you don't think you've scored points with the fundies, here's a list of countries with large/majority Muslim populations that are beautiful, safe for non-Muslims, and would be, with a couple of exceptions, quite safe for a non-believer to live in: www.tripoto.com/trip/stunning-muslim-countries-that-everyone-needs-to-visit-589d74869163aI saw several on that list I'd be more than happy to move to, should I be fortunate enough to come into the money it would take to relocate. But you stick around and be content with the earthly paradise you believe the US to be, lol. BTW, in my misspent youth I visited Morocco for a couple of months, and it was gorgeous, safe, and I had some of the best time of my life among Allah's own. From what I gather, nothing about the place has changed, and I hope to get a chance to visit again before I'm too old to enjoy it properly. So thanks for helping to revive some very pleasant memories . And you want to pretend even the small minority of Muslims in the US don't attempt to exert their influence and Sharia law where they can. Hopefully you will one day move out of the US and not have to live a hypocritical life here.
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Post by goz on Apr 16, 2019 20:46:42 GMT
Where would you rather live? In the US with all the awful Christians or in a Muslim country? You can't respond to the answer I provided detailing just a few of the various ways in which the Christian right attempts, and succeeds, in derailing secular law in the US (which you attempted to claim wasn't the case), so you're now going to keep banging away at trying to switch the topic. Answer me on the points I made, then I'll answer your subject. If you can't provide an answer specifically to my points, it tells me you're full of sh!t, and evasive to boot, and aren't worth the effort to continue the discussion. But just so you don't think you've scored points with the fundies, here's a list of countries with large/majority Muslim populations that are beautiful, safe for non-Muslims, and would be, with a couple of exceptions, quite safe for a non-believer to live in: www.tripoto.com/trip/stunning-muslim-countries-that-everyone-needs-to-visit-589d74869163aI saw several on that list I'd be more than happy to move to, should I be fortunate enough to come into the money it would take to relocate. But you stick around and be content with the earthly paradise you believe the US to be, lol. BTW, in my misspent youth I visited Morocco for a couple of months, and it was gorgeous, safe, and I had some of the best time of my life among Allah's own. From what I gather, nothing about the place has changed, and I hope to get a chance to visit again before I'm too old to enjoy it properly. So thanks for helping to revive some very pleasant memories . Great post. I loved the list. Just to exemplify how bigoted stupid and irrational and xenophobic people like Heeeeey and Trump are with the restrictions placed on US citizens traveling as tourists to certain Muslim countries, my sis in Law, who is a US citizen wanted to go on an art and architecture tour of Iran and Kazakhstan with my brother and a like minded group sponsored by our State's major Art Gallery. She had to take out Australian citizenship to be able to go, for a start ( as US citizens were unwelcome in Iran...I wonder why)and THEN Trump makes his pronouncements about US citizens who have travelled to certain countries SO (get this) she has to travel to her home country of US on her new Australian passport to attend her son's wedding in New York in June AND attend a foundation meeting of a charitable foundation her family set up which give millions of dollars each year to charities in the Denver area. Crazy?
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Post by goz on Apr 16, 2019 21:18:54 GMT
You can't respond to the answer I provided detailing just a few of the various ways in which the Christian right attempts, and succeeds, in derailing secular law in the US (which you attempted to claim wasn't the case), so you're now going to keep banging away at trying to switch the topic. Answer me on the points I made, then I'll answer your subject. If you can't provide an answer specifically to my points, it tells me you're full of sh!t, and evasive to boot, and aren't worth the effort to continue the discussion. But just so you don't think you've scored points with the fundies, here's a list of countries with large/majority Muslim populations that are beautiful, safe for non-Muslims, and would be, with a couple of exceptions, quite safe for a non-believer to live in: www.tripoto.com/trip/stunning-muslim-countries-that-everyone-needs-to-visit-589d74869163aI saw several on that list I'd be more than happy to move to, should I be fortunate enough to come into the money it would take to relocate. But you stick around and be content with the earthly paradise you believe the US to be, lol. BTW, in my misspent youth I visited Morocco for a couple of months, and it was gorgeous, safe, and I had some of the best time of my life among Allah's own. From what I gather, nothing about the place has changed, and I hope to get a chance to visit again before I'm too old to enjoy it properly. So thanks for helping to revive some very pleasant memories . And you want to pretend even the small minority of Muslims in the US don't attempt to exert their influence and Sharia law where they can. Hopefully you will one day move out of the US and not have to live a hypocritical life here. No, they don't. You are a nasty stupid ignorant bigot, butt we all knew that already.
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Post by heeeeey on Apr 16, 2019 21:20:42 GMT
You can't respond to the answer I provided detailing just a few of the various ways in which the Christian right attempts, and succeeds, in derailing secular law in the US (which you attempted to claim wasn't the case), so you're now going to keep banging away at trying to switch the topic. Answer me on the points I made, then I'll answer your subject. If you can't provide an answer specifically to my points, it tells me you're full of sh!t, and evasive to boot, and aren't worth the effort to continue the discussion. But just so you don't think you've scored points with the fundies, here's a list of countries with large/majority Muslim populations that are beautiful, safe for non-Muslims, and would be, with a couple of exceptions, quite safe for a non-believer to live in: www.tripoto.com/trip/stunning-muslim-countries-that-everyone-needs-to-visit-589d74869163aI saw several on that list I'd be more than happy to move to, should I be fortunate enough to come into the money it would take to relocate. But you stick around and be content with the earthly paradise you believe the US to be, lol. BTW, in my misspent youth I visited Morocco for a couple of months, and it was gorgeous, safe, and I had some of the best time of my life among Allah's own. From what I gather, nothing about the place has changed, and I hope to get a chance to visit again before I'm too old to enjoy it properly. So thanks for helping to revive some very pleasant memories . Great post. I loved the list. Just to exemplify how bigoted stupid and irrational and xenophobic people like Heeeeey and Trump are with the restrictions placed on US citizens traveling as tourists to certain Muslim countries, my sis in Law, who is a US citizen wanted to go on an art and architecture tour of Iran and Kazakhstan with my brother and a like minded group sponsored by our State's major Art Gallery. She had to take out Australian citizenship to be able to go, for a start ( as US citizens were unwelcome in Iran...I wonder why)and THEN Trump makes his pronouncements about US citizens who have travelled to certain countries SO (get this) she has to travel to her home country of US on her new Australian passport to attend her son's wedding in New York in June AND attend a foundation meeting of a charitable foundation her family set up which give millions of dollars each year to charities in the Denver area. Crazy? And yet, you don't mind that Iran (to use your mindset regarding the US) is 'bigoted' against American tourists? How odd that you and Amysghost bitch about the West what you excuse everywhere else.
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Post by heeeeey on Apr 16, 2019 21:22:10 GMT
And you want to pretend even the small minority of Muslims in the US don't attempt to exert their influence and Sharia law where they can. Hopefully you will one day move out of the US and not have to live a hypocritical life here. No, they don't. You are a nasty stupid ignorant bigot, butt we all knew that already. Lying twit.
There are reports of Islamists demanding to wear Hijabs while working at Disneyland and also demanding restaurants serve halal meat. There is nothing you don't excuse when it comes to Islam, you hypocrite.
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Post by goz on Apr 16, 2019 21:24:41 GMT
Great post. I loved the list. Just to exemplify how bigoted stupid and irrational and xenophobic people like Heeeeey and Trump are with the restrictions placed on US citizens traveling as tourists to certain Muslim countries, my sis in Law, who is a US citizen wanted to go on an art and architecture tour of Iran and Kazakhstan with my brother and a like minded group sponsored by our State's major Art Gallery. She had to take out Australian citizenship to be able to go, for a start ( as US citizens were unwelcome in Iran...I wonder why)and THEN Trump makes his pronouncements about US citizens who have travelled to certain countries SO (get this) she has to travel to her home country of US on her new Australian passport to attend her son's wedding in New York in June AND attend a foundation meeting of a charitable foundation her family set up which give millions of dollars each year to charities in the Denver area. Crazy? And yet, you don't mind that Iran (to use your mindset regarding the US) is 'bigoted' against American tourists? How odd that you and Amysghost bitch about the West what you excuse everywhere else. Do you EVER talk anything other than bigoted bollocks? Australian and tourists from other Western nations have no problem visiting Iran and in fact all countries in the Middle East for tourism culture and trade.
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Post by goz on Apr 16, 2019 21:26:57 GMT
No, they don't. You are a nasty stupid ignorant bigot, butt we all knew that already. Lying twit.
There are reports of Islamists demanding to wear Hijabs while working at Disneyland and also demanding restaurants serve halal meat. There is nothing you don't excuse when it comes to Islam, you hypocrite.
So what? Nuns can wear veils if they wish. Jew don't at pork I don't excuse terrorism from anyone, including white far right supremacists.
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Post by heeeeey on Apr 16, 2019 21:27:36 GMT
And yet, you don't mind that Iran (to use your mindset regarding the US) is 'bigoted' against American tourists? How odd that you and Amysghost bitch about the West what you excuse everywhere else. Do you EVER talk anything other than bigoted bollocks? Australian and tourists from other Western nations have no problem visiting Iran and in fact all countries in the Middle East for tourism culture and trade. Your quote:
And you excuse it.
Hypocrite.
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Post by heeeeey on Apr 16, 2019 21:28:33 GMT
Lying twit.
There are reports of Islamists demanding to wear Hijabs while working at Disneyland and also demanding restaurants serve halal meat. There is nothing you don't excuse when it comes to Islam, you hypocrite.
So what? Nuns can wear veils if they wish. Jew don't at pork I don't excuse terrorism from anyone, including white far right supremacists. That's your attitude to ANYTHING they do: "So what?" Yet you bitch and moan every time a Christian so much as farts.
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Post by goz on Apr 16, 2019 21:32:34 GMT
Do you EVER talk anything other than bigoted bollocks? Australian and tourists from other Western nations have no problem visiting Iran and in fact all countries in the Middle East for tourism culture and trade. Your quote:
And you excuse it.
Hypocrite.
So, you don't know why? Seeing as how you have no idea about anything much, I am not surprised however I will give you a little hint. It is to do with US foreign policy and recent history. I dumbed it down for you.
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Post by goz on Apr 16, 2019 21:34:33 GMT
So what? Nuns can wear veils if they wish. Jew don't at pork I don't excuse terrorism from anyone, including white far right supremacists. That's your attitude to ANYTHING they do: "So what?" Yet you bitch and moan every time a Christian so much as farts. Yes, farting Christians can be VERY unpleasant, as can farting Muslims or Sikks. Buddhists and Hindus tend to be not so bad as they are often vegetarians.
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Post by amyghost on Apr 16, 2019 21:37:36 GMT
You can't respond to the answer I provided detailing just a few of the various ways in which the Christian right attempts, and succeeds, in derailing secular law in the US (which you attempted to claim wasn't the case), so you're now going to keep banging away at trying to switch the topic. Answer me on the points I made, then I'll answer your subject. If you can't provide an answer specifically to my points, it tells me you're full of sh!t, and evasive to boot, and aren't worth the effort to continue the discussion. But just so you don't think you've scored points with the fundies, here's a list of countries with large/majority Muslim populations that are beautiful, safe for non-Muslims, and would be, with a couple of exceptions, quite safe for a non-believer to live in: www.tripoto.com/trip/stunning-muslim-countries-that-everyone-needs-to-visit-589d74869163aI saw several on that list I'd be more than happy to move to, should I be fortunate enough to come into the money it would take to relocate. But you stick around and be content with the earthly paradise you believe the US to be, lol. BTW, in my misspent youth I visited Morocco for a couple of months, and it was gorgeous, safe, and I had some of the best time of my life among Allah's own. From what I gather, nothing about the place has changed, and I hope to get a chance to visit again before I'm too old to enjoy it properly. So thanks for helping to revive some very pleasant memories . And you want to pretend even the small minority of Muslims in the US don't attempt to exert their influence and Sharia law where they can. Hopefully you will one day move out of the US and not have to live a hypocritical life here. You haven't given one pertinent answer to anything I've posted yet. Show me all the instances of where this small but supposedly highly influential cabal of Muslims--outside of the Arab emirs who are influencing Trump not to bring international law to bear on a Saudi prince who's responsible for a heinous murder, that is--have imposed Sharia (which means law in Arabic, so saying 'Sharia law' is a redundancy, btw) in the US. I'm not aware of it's having been imposed on me in any of my day-to-day activities, and I very much doubt if you are either. I can, on the other hand, cite a number of instances in which the Christoids have managed to reshape secular laws in ways that do impact my life, such as health care and insurance coverage. No Islamic has done this or anything remotely equivalent that I know of. And as for the bolded part of your quote: can you really think of nothing more original to add to this topic than a quaint variant of Archie Bunker's "America: Love it or leave it"? Even the background of cricket noise that usually follows whenever someone pins you down on a point you can't answer to your satisfaction is better than that  .
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Post by heeeeey on Apr 16, 2019 21:39:15 GMT
Your quote:
And you excuse it.
Hypocrite.
So, you don't know why? Seeing as how you have no idea about anything much, I am not surprised however I will give you a little hint. It is to do with US foreign policy and recent history. I dumbed it down for you. Yes, I know, but I'm referring to how that's okay with you and they're not being bigots, but the US is bigoted and racist to you for doing the same thing when Trump merely wanted to do a better job of vetting Muslim tourists who were entering the US from terrorist-harboring countries. You liberals acted like he was going to permanently ban every single Muslim from the US. You think the US is supposed to open the border to whoever wants to come in, no questions asked.
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Post by heeeeey on Apr 16, 2019 21:41:02 GMT
And you want to pretend even the small minority of Muslims in the US don't attempt to exert their influence and Sharia law where they can. Hopefully you will one day move out of the US and not have to live a hypocritical life here.You haven't given one pertinent answer to anything I've posted yet. Show me all the instances of where this small but supposedly highly influential cabal of Muslims--outside of the Arab emirs who are influencing Trump not to bring international law to bear on a Saudi prince who's responsible for a heinous murder, that is--have imposed Sharia (which means law in Arabic, so saying 'Sharia law' is a redundancy, btw) in the US. I'm not aware of it's having been imposed on me in any of my day-to-day activities, and I very much doubt if you are either. I can, on the other hand, cite a number of instances in which the Christoids have managed to reshape secular laws in ways that do impact my life, such as health care and insurance coverage. No Islamic has done this or anything remotely equivalent that I know of. And as for the bolded part of your quote: can you really think of nothing more original to add to this topic than a quaint variant of Archie Bunker's "America: Love it or leave it"? Even the background of cricket noise that usually follows whenever someone pins you down on a point you can't answer to your satisfaction is better than that . You are being disingenuous and obtuse.
You know damned well that Islam is a tiny minority in the US and can't be fairly compared on an equal level with Christianity. If you want a fair comparison, I'll tell you again to compare the 'best' Muslim country to the US. If you would prefer to live in the 'best' Muslim country, then save your money and move your ass there.
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Post by amyghost on Apr 16, 2019 21:41:14 GMT
No, they don't. You are a nasty stupid ignorant bigot, butt we all knew that already. Lying twit.
There are reports of Islamists demanding to wear Hijabs while working at Disneyland and also demanding restaurants serve halal meat. There is nothing you don't excuse when it comes to Islam, you hypocrite.
OMG. Wearing clothing you don't like. Serving an alternative food choice in a restaurant. Easy to understand how outrages like that would cause a snowflake for Jesus like yourself to go into meltdown mode. The substantive negative impact that these instances have on your life can hardly be quantified in a way that would do sufficient justice to the magnitude of entirely justifiable righteous fury they've provoked in you.
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Post by heeeeey on Apr 16, 2019 21:44:17 GMT
Lying twit.
There are reports of Islamists demanding to wear Hijabs while working at Disneyland and also demanding restaurants serve halal meat. There is nothing you don't excuse when it comes to Islam, you hypocrite.
OMG. Wearing clothing you don't like. Serving an alternative food choice in a restaurant. Easy to understand how outrages like that would cause a snowflake for Jesus like yourself to go into meltdown mode. The substantive negative impact that these instances have on your life can hardly be quantified in a way that would do sufficient justice to the magnitude of entirely justifiable righteous fury they've provoked in you. Listen, if an AMERICAN has to follow the policy of a place of employment, then EVERYBODY should have to. Nobody should receive exceptions. If you don't like the dress code, DON'T WORK THERE.
If I can't wear a hat and sunglasses when I go into my bank, than I don't want to see someone being allowed to go in wearing a blanket.
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