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Post by charzhino on Apr 30, 2019 14:05:12 GMT
Not really. In Dark World he didnt take the throne because he knew Odin (unknown to him, really Loki) was still healthy and active enough to lead Asgard and the 9 realms. Thor had trust in his experience and was willing to be side by side with Odin, not take his place.
In Endgame, hes the only senior Asgardian in the hierarchy left alive. The royal bloodline starts and ends with him, so abandoning the last of his people is quite a cowardly thing to do.
Well that's not true at all. Thor flat out states his reason:
Father, I cannot be king of Asgard.
I will protect Asgard and all the realms
with my last and every breath,
but I cannot do so from that chair.He even says: I'd rather be a good man
than a great king.As I said, he doesn't want to rule. In Endgame, they are now in New Asgard, which is doing just fine with their king being a drunken mess, never coming down from his house other than to restock on alcohol. His people are in good hands with Valkyrie in charge. Good leadership also entails knowing when to step down and let others more qualified take lead. Bloodline alone does not equal good leadership.
And as a result of Ragnarok, he learned that Asgard is not a place, but a people - his people. So protecting Asgard means to protect his people that are with him on Earth, yet he wants to escape with the Guardians on no particular definitive universe saving mission, seemingly just for a fun adventure. Looks like he's running away from his responsabilities. He will leave Valkiry in charge who hes known for like a few days?
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Apr 30, 2019 14:15:35 GMT
Well that's not true at all. Thor flat out states his reason:
Father, I cannot be king of Asgard.
I will protect Asgard and all the realms
with my last and every breath,
but I cannot do so from that chair.He even says: I'd rather be a good man
than a great king.As I said, he doesn't want to rule. In Endgame, they are now in New Asgard, which is doing just fine with their king being a drunken mess, never coming down from his house other than to restock on alcohol. His people are in good hands with Valkyrie in charge. Good leadership also entails knowing when to step down and let others more qualified take lead. Bloodline alone does not equal good leadership.
And as a result of Ragnarok, he learned that Asgard is not a place, but a people - his people. So protecting Asgard means to protect his people that are with him on Earth, yet he wants to escape with the Guardians on no particular definitive universe saving mission, seemingly just for a fun adventure. Looks like he's running away from his responsabilities. He will leave Valkiry in charge who hes known for like a few days?
That's how I felt about it first, but the more I thought about it the more sense it started to make. The outcome of IW and their confrontation of Thanos afterward left Thor spiritually broken. He's begun to find himself again by the end of Endgame but he knows he still isn't the right man to rule at this time. His story will continue in phase four and I'm confident he'll assume the Allfather role at some point down the line. It still doesn't make a ton of sense for him to leave Valkyrie in charge (she's more of a warrior than a leader), but frankly she's the only Asgardian left that we know by name.
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Post by remusgrey on Apr 30, 2019 14:16:56 GMT
I don't exactly agree here but I didn't like how they closed his arc. After learning responsibility and kingship, he abandons his own people. That's been the same complaint I've been sharing almost everywhere lol I actually liked that part. As far back as The Dark World, we see Thor's no longer anxious to rule. He understands his place is not on a throne but in the world making a difference. Plus, he left them in good hands. Yeah, but in Ragnarok, the responsibility of ruling the Asgardians went to him. Well, I guess you still do have a point though.
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Post by charzhino on Apr 30, 2019 14:23:42 GMT
And as a result of Ragnarok, he learned that Asgard is not a place, but a people - his people. So protecting Asgard means to protect his people that are with him on Earth, yet he wants to escape with the Guardians on no particular definitive universe saving mission, seemingly just for a fun adventure. Looks like he's running away from his responsabilities. He will leave Valkiry in charge who hes known for like a few days?
That's how I felt about it first, but the more I thought about it the more sense it started to make. The outcome of IW and their confrontation of Thanos afterward left Thor spiritually broken. He's begun to find himself again by the end of Endgame but he knows he still isn't the right man to rule at this time. His story will continue in phase four and I'm confident he'll assume the Allfather role at some point down the line. It still doesn't make a ton of sense for him to leave Valkyrie in charge (she's more of a warrior than a leader), but frankly she's the only Asgardian left that we know by name. If his warriors 3 friends were still by his side or Heimdall, who hes known for very long time and has strong trust bonds with, then I wouldn't be too bothered what Thor does. What if another alien or villain comes to earth and massacres his people, just like Hela did. But atleast with Hela he had warriors 3 and Heimdall on Asgard and also to Thors knowledge - Odin as well. He could afford to be away challenging the likes of Surtur in distant parts of the galaxy knowing Asgard has sufficient protection.
In endgame think hes being too relaxed and thinks all threats are gone after Thanos is dead so he can afford to leave Asgardians with just Valkiry whilst jetting off on unknown space adventures with rocket and co. Think what the common Asgardian citizen would be pondering, theyd be questioning why is our leader leaving us?
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Post by PreachCaleb on Apr 30, 2019 16:45:55 GMT
Well that's not true at all. Thor flat out states his reason:
Father, I cannot be king of Asgard.
I will protect Asgard and all the realms
with my last and every breath,
but I cannot do so from that chair.He even says: I'd rather be a good man
than a great king.As I said, he doesn't want to rule. In Endgame, they are now in New Asgard, which is doing just fine with their king being a drunken mess, never coming down from his house other than to restock on alcohol. His people are in good hands with Valkyrie in charge. Good leadership also entails knowing when to step down and let others more qualified take lead. Bloodline alone does not equal good leadership.
And as a result of Ragnarok, he learned that Asgard is not a place, but a people - his people. So protecting Asgard means to protect his people that are with him on Earth, yet he wants to escape with the Guardians on no particular definitive universe saving mission, seemingly just for a fun adventure. Looks like he's running away from his responsabilities. He will leave Valkiry in charge who hes known for like a few days?
Except, as Infinity War proved, there are far greater threats out in the universe to his people. He can protect them without having to actually be in their exact location. As he did in Endgame. He's known Valkyrie for five years.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Apr 30, 2019 16:47:15 GMT
And as a result of Ragnarok, he learned that Asgard is not a place, but a people - his people. So protecting Asgard means to protect his people that are with him on Earth, yet he wants to escape with the Guardians on no particular definitive universe saving mission, seemingly just for a fun adventure. Looks like he's running away from his responsabilities. He will leave Valkiry in charge who hes known for like a few days?
That's how I felt about it first, but the more I thought about it the more sense it started to make. The outcome of IW and their confrontation of Thanos afterward left Thor spiritually broken. He's begun to find himself again by the end of Endgame but he knows he still isn't the right man to rule at this time. His story will continue in phase four and I'm confident he'll assume the Allfather role at some point down the line. It still doesn't make a ton of sense for him to leave Valkyrie in charge (she's more of a warrior than a leader), but frankly she's the only Asgardian left that we know by name. I'd argue the same for Thor. He learned to lead. No reason to think she didn't either.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Apr 30, 2019 16:51:59 GMT
That's how I felt about it first, but the more I thought about it the more sense it started to make. The outcome of IW and their confrontation of Thanos afterward left Thor spiritually broken. He's begun to find himself again by the end of Endgame but he knows he still isn't the right man to rule at this time. His story will continue in phase four and I'm confident he'll assume the Allfather role at some point down the line. It still doesn't make a ton of sense for him to leave Valkyrie in charge (she's more of a warrior than a leader), but frankly she's the only Asgardian left that we know by name. I'd argue the same for Thor. He learned to lead. No reason to think she didn't either. I wasn't suggesting she can't lead, rather the character could be utilized better onscreen. I wouldn't want Star Lord or Falcon leading the Asgardians, either. I'd prefer these characters in roles better suited for adventuring; it's why we watch these films.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Apr 30, 2019 16:57:20 GMT
I'd argue the same for Thor. He learned to lead. No reason to think she didn't either. I wasn't suggesting she can't lead, rather the character could be utilized better onscreen. I wouldn't want Star Lord or Falcon leading the Asgardians, either. I'd prefer these characters in roles better suited for adventuring; it's why we watch these films. I didn't say you said she can't. And there's no reason she won't be utilized better onscreen in any sequels. There's all kinds of possibilities from here on out.
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Apr 30, 2019 17:01:51 GMT
From memory it’s the pop culture references to Back to the Future. But TBH there wasn’t too much lamery. Probably because the Guardians of the Crapaxy hardly featured. Crapaxy? Considering who Thor is with now you literally could’ve went with the Assguardians of the Galaxy and you chose Crapaxy? Crapaxy is cringier than a GotGv2 joke. So disappointing. |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Apr 30, 2019 17:17:35 GMT
I wasn't suggesting she can't lead, rather the character could be utilized better onscreen. I wouldn't want Star Lord or Falcon leading the Asgardians, either. I'd prefer these characters in roles better suited for adventuring; it's why we watch these films. I didn't say you said she can't. And there's no reason she won't be utilized better onscreen in any sequels.
There's all kinds of possibilities from here on out. Agreed, looking forward to seeing what they do with her next. I wasn't arguing anything, man. Just making an observation. Of course she can still do anything they want to do with her, but one would assume the leader of a people has other responsibilities. Black Panther was always one of my favorite Avengers in the comics when I was a kid, though I thought it was strange that a king would be off adventuring as opposed to leading his people. If they can find a way to make a work (and they have and will continue to, I'm sure), I suppose they can do the same with Valkyrie.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on May 5, 2019 11:55:01 GMT
Why am I still allowed to post here? Fixed. |
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Post by Agent of Chaos on May 5, 2019 12:08:07 GMT
The scene showing Thor’s gut was just gross.
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Post by James on May 5, 2019 12:11:15 GMT
That girl power bit during the final battle. ^this^ I wouldn't say that I hated this moment, but it was SO obvious and over the top. Did we need a feminism ad right in the middle of the movie biggest moment?
Pretty much agree with you. It’s cool at first but then you realize the world we’re living in today is so SJW. |
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Post by Midi-Chlorian_Count on May 5, 2019 13:01:47 GMT
My vote goes to the guy who plays Hawkeye's acting during that scene with Black Widow when they were tearing it up over who got to sacrifice themselves. Incroyable!
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Post by politicidal on May 5, 2019 14:23:45 GMT
My vote goes to the guy who plays Hawkeye's acting during that scene with Black Widow when they were tearing it up over who got to sacrifice themselves. Incroyable! Was that English? |
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Post by Midi-Chlorian_Count on May 5, 2019 14:25:31 GMT
French. For incredible.
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Post by poutinep on May 5, 2019 16:34:09 GMT
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Post by Skaathar on May 5, 2019 18:36:53 GMT
Not really. In Dark World he didnt take the throne because he knew Odin (unknown to him, really Loki) was still healthy and active enough to lead Asgard and the 9 realms. Thor had trust in his experience and was willing to be side by side with Odin, not take his place.
In Endgame, hes the only senior Asgardian in the hierarchy left alive. The royal bloodline starts and ends with him, so abandoning the last of his people is quite a cowardly thing to do.
Well that's not true at all. Thor flat out states his reason:
Father, I cannot be king of Asgard.
I will protect Asgard and all the realms
with my last and every breath,
but I cannot do so from that chair.He even says: I'd rather be a good man
than a great king.As I said, he doesn't want to rule. In Endgame, they are now in New Asgard, which is doing just fine with their king being a drunken mess, never coming down from his house other than to restock on alcohol. His people are in good hands with Valkyrie in charge. Good leadership also entails knowing when to step down and let others more qualified take lead. Bloodline alone does not equal good leadership. Meh, most people don't always get to do what they want. Part of being an adult is learning to do your responsibilities even if you don't want to. It would have been fine if Thor had tried to lead, given it his best effort, then found out he was truly failing at it. But what we have here is that he wasn't even willing to try. He just wanted to do his own thing and have none of the responsibility. That's called being irresponsible. |
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Post by azzajones on May 6, 2019 9:05:06 GMT
Scott escaping the Quantum Realm, after 5 years, by having a rat press the 'return' button on the Quantum tunnel.
Fortnite still being a thing in 2023.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 6, 2019 10:57:27 GMT
Easily the invention of time travel.
It was stupid on its face but was so integral to the story that everyone ignores it.
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