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Post by Winter_King on May 6, 2019 12:49:50 GMT
The "girl power" scene during the end battle felt a bit forced.
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Post by PreachCaleb on May 6, 2019 13:19:03 GMT
Well that's not true at all. Thor flat out states his reason: Father, I cannot be king of Asgard. I will protect Asgard and all the realms with my last and every breath, but I cannot do so from that chair.He even says: I'd rather be a good man than a great king.As I said, he doesn't want to rule. In Endgame, they are now in New Asgard, which is doing just fine with their king being a drunken mess, never coming down from his house other than to restock on alcohol. His people are in good hands with Valkyrie in charge. Good leadership also entails knowing when to step down and let others more qualified take lead. Bloodline alone does not equal good leadership. Meh, most people don't always get to do what they want. Part of being an adult is learning to do your responsibilities even if you don't want to. It would have been fine if Thor had tried to lead, given it his best effort, then found out he was truly failing at it. But what we have here is that he wasn't even willing to try. He just wanted to do his own thing and have none of the responsibility. That's called being irresponsible. Yep. And handing leadership over to someone who can lead is far more responsible.
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Post by PreachCaleb on May 6, 2019 13:19:25 GMT
Easily the invention of time travel. It was stupid on its face but was so integral to the story that everyone ignores it. Time travel was introduced as far back as Dr. Strange.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 6, 2019 13:34:06 GMT
Easily the invention of time travel. It was stupid on its face but was so integral to the story that everyone ignores it. Time travel was introduced as far back as Dr. Strange. Did they use Dr Strange’s time travel? I’m only discussing Tony and Hulk’s invention of two different versions of it. Time travel itself has always been a McGuffin to advance story.
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Post by Skaathar on May 6, 2019 14:13:07 GMT
Meh, most people don't always get to do what they want. Part of being an adult is learning to do your responsibilities even if you don't want to. It would have been fine if Thor had tried to lead, given it his best effort, then found out he was truly failing at it. But what we have here is that he wasn't even willing to try. He just wanted to do his own thing and have none of the responsibility. That's called being irresponsible. Yep. And handing leadership over to someone who can lead is far more responsible. Not when it's your responsibility and you didn't even try to do it.
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Post by PreachCaleb on May 6, 2019 14:43:54 GMT
Yep. And handing leadership over to someone who can lead is far more responsible. Not when it's your responsibility and you didn't even try to do it. Anytime. It's always better to have someone who can and will lead than someone who doesn't want to.
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Post by PreachCaleb on May 6, 2019 14:44:49 GMT
Time travel was introduced as far back as Dr. Strange. Did they use Dr Strange’s time travel? I’m only discussing Tony and Hulk’s invention of two different versions of it. Time travel itself has always been a McGuffin to advance story. So it's not time travel, just they way it was accomplished that irks you?
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Post by Skaathar on May 6, 2019 15:07:57 GMT
Not when it's your responsibility and you didn't even try to do it. Anytime. It's always better to have someone who can and will lead than someone who doesn't want to. In other words, he shirked his duty. Gotcha.
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Post by PreachCaleb on May 6, 2019 15:50:37 GMT
Anytime. It's always better to have someone who can and will lead than someone who doesn't want to. In other words, he shirked his duty. Gotcha. Yep. The movie flat out shows he skirted his duties for five years.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 6, 2019 16:08:06 GMT
Did they use Dr Strange’s time travel? I’m only discussing Tony and Hulk’s invention of two different versions of it. Time travel itself has always been a McGuffin to advance story. So it's not time travel, just they way it was accomplished that irks you? The invention of it would be the most accurate way to say it. The way it was presented is that time travel, in absence of other ways, was invented by Tony Stark and they even had time to invent a flawed version by Bruce Banner. Most movies do not concern themselves with the invention. The flux capacitor simply works and you let the story happen. Tony should have just had a time machine laying around at Stark Labs. It would have been about as plausible and take up the same amount of time.
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Post by Skaathar on May 6, 2019 16:48:31 GMT
In other words, he shirked his duty. Gotcha. Yep. The movie flat out shows he skirted his duties for five years. Correct. And he continued to do so, even doubled down on it by completely leaving his people.
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Post by PreachCaleb on May 6, 2019 18:08:06 GMT
Yep. The movie flat out shows he skirted his duties for five years. Correct. And he continued to do so, even doubled down on it by completely leaving his people. Incorrect, he left them with a capable leader. That's the complete opposite of doubling down.
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Post by PreachCaleb on May 6, 2019 18:10:17 GMT
So it's not time travel, just they way it was accomplished that irks you? The invention of it would be the most accurate way to say it. The way it was presented is that time travel, in absence of other ways, was invented by Tony Stark and they even had time to invent a flawed version by Bruce Banner. Most movies do not concern themselves with the invention. The flux capacitor simply works and you let the story happen. Tony should have just had a time machine laying around at Stark Labs. It would have been about as plausible and take up the same amount of time. Some movies do not concern themselves with the invention of it. Others do. Primer would be a great example. In any case, Tony didn't invent time travel. He just found a way to make it work for their plan.
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Post by Skaathar on May 6, 2019 18:37:25 GMT
Correct. And he continued to do so, even doubled down on it by completely leaving his people. Incorrect, he left them with a capable leader. That's the complete opposite of doubling down. Nah, he shirked his duty originally by not making an effort to lead his people which ended up forcing Valkyrie to step up and take the lead while he drank and played fortnite with Korg and Miek for 5 years. He never appointed her to that position initially. Sure he made it official 5 years later, but it was an empty appointment considering that she was already doing it anyway. Doubling down is when he made the decision to actually abandon his people in an alien world without even giving a smidget of effort to help them. Had he left Valkyrie in charge but still stayed and tried to help his people in whatever capacity he could then that would be something. But here he simply up and left... with no better reason than pretty much "because I want to". That's called being irresponsible.
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Post by PreachCaleb on May 6, 2019 18:43:43 GMT
Incorrect, he left them with a capable leader. That's the complete opposite of doubling down. Nah, he shirked his duty originally by not making an effort to lead his people which ended up forcing Valkyrie to step up and take the lead while he drank and played fortnite with Korg and Miek for 5 years. He never appointed her to that position initially. Sure he made it official 5 years later, but it was an empty appointment considering that she was already doing it anyway. Doubling down is when he made the decision to actually abandon his people in an alien world without even giving a smidget of effort to help them. Had he left Valkyrie in charge but still stayed and tried to help his people in whatever capacity he could then that would be something. But here he simply up and left... with no better reason than pretty much "because I want to". That's called being irresponsible. Except as Infinity War showed, there are far bigger threats out in the universe. Staying put on New Asgard won't help against the next Thanos. Officially appointing a leader is very responsible. The opposite of doubling down. It's classic storytelling.
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Post by Skaathar on May 6, 2019 19:44:54 GMT
Nah, he shirked his duty originally by not making an effort to lead his people which ended up forcing Valkyrie to step up and take the lead while he drank and played fortnite with Korg and Miek for 5 years. He never appointed her to that position initially. Sure he made it official 5 years later, but it was an empty appointment considering that she was already doing it anyway. Doubling down is when he made the decision to actually abandon his people in an alien world without even giving a smidget of effort to help them. Had he left Valkyrie in charge but still stayed and tried to help his people in whatever capacity he could then that would be something. But here he simply up and left... with no better reason than pretty much "because I want to". That's called being irresponsible. Except as Infinity War showed, there are far bigger threats out in the universe. Staying put on New Asgard won't help against the next Thanos. Officially appointing a leader is very responsible. The opposite of doubling down. It's classic storytelling. Except he isn't going through the galaxy in order to find bigger threats is he? His main reason for going away is he wants to "find himself" or something like that. He didn't appoint a leader because he tried doing the job and found that Valkyrie was better at it. He appointed her leader because he simply didn't want to do it. Again, that's called being irresponsible. It's like being the father of a kid but then you realize you don't want to do it, so then you go to your wife and say, "Hey, I don't want to be a parent. So I'll just leave our kid with you and you'll do better that way." Then you just up and leave without providing any other help at all.
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Post by PreachCaleb on May 6, 2019 21:51:51 GMT
Except as Infinity War showed, there are far bigger threats out in the universe. Staying put on New Asgard won't help against the next Thanos. Officially appointing a leader is very responsible. The opposite of doubling down. It's classic storytelling. Except he isn't going through the galaxy in order to find bigger threats is he? His main reason for going away is he wants to "find himself" or something like that. He didn't appoint a leader because he tried doing the job and found that Valkyrie was better at it. He appointed her leader because he simply didn't want to do it. Again, that's called being irresponsible. It's like being the father of a kid but then you realize you don't want to do it, so then you go to your wife and say, "Hey, I don't want to be a parent. So I'll just leave our kid with you and you'll do better that way." Then you just up and leave without providing any other help at all. He can do both: fight threats and find himself. The two are not mutually exclusive. Appointing a leader is always responsible. It's really not the same thing. It's more like quitting a job you weren't doing and leaving someone even more competent to take charge. Remember: As far back as The Dark World, Thor didn't want to be king. He spent years traveling the nine realms, restoring order. Then he spent five years getting drunk. Thor was never meant to be a king.
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Post by Skaathar on May 6, 2019 22:31:50 GMT
Except he isn't going through the galaxy in order to find bigger threats is he? His main reason for going away is he wants to "find himself" or something like that. He didn't appoint a leader because he tried doing the job and found that Valkyrie was better at it. He appointed her leader because he simply didn't want to do it. Again, that's called being irresponsible. It's like being the father of a kid but then you realize you don't want to do it, so then you go to your wife and say, "Hey, I don't want to be a parent. So I'll just leave our kid with you and you'll do better that way." Then you just up and leave without providing any other help at all. He can do both: fight threats and find himself. The two are not mutually exclusive. Appointing a leader is always responsible. It's really not the same thing. It's more like quitting a job you weren't doing and leaving someone even more competent to take charge. Remember: As far back as The Dark World, Thor didn't want to be king. He spent years traveling the nine realms, restoring order. Then he spent five years getting drunk. Thor was never meant to be a king. Of course he can do both, point is that wasn't his purpose was it? His main purpose to go with the Guardians was because he wanted to find himself, not fight threats. Besides, that's not what the GOTG do. Especially now that Gamora is gone, they'll probably go back to being space pirates for hire. No, appointing a leader isn't always responsible. If you appointed a leader other than yourself because you knew for sure they could do a better job than you then sure, that might be responsible. But that's not what Thor's reason was. He simply appointed a leader because he didn't want the responsibility. If he never tried to do the job, then he would never know whether Valkyrie was better than him or not right? Besides, something you're forgetting is that the Asgardian throne is not something one can simply "appoint". From what we've seen, the ruler of Asgard is patrilineal, with the eldest male heir inheriting the throne and leading their people. Same thing being the father of a child is not some simple job you can appoint to someone. The role of Asgard's ruler falls on Thor and Thor alone. And again, had he tried to lead and failed at it that would have been a different story. Yet he never even tried.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 7, 2019 0:48:13 GMT
That girl power bit during the final battle. Yep, that was fucking lame. Captain Marvel says she'll take the gauntlet over to the van and then a half-dozen women show up to escort her. And she still didn't get the gauntlet over to the van.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on May 7, 2019 1:01:56 GMT
That girl power bit during the final battle. Yep, that was fucking lame. Captain Marvel says she'll take the gauntlet over to the van and then a half-dozen women show up to escort her. And she still didn't get the gauntlet over to the van. It was a reference to the A-Force.
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