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Post by PreachCaleb on Apr 30, 2019 22:57:54 GMT
So... Hulk was told by Tilda Swinton that the stones had to be put back as if they were never taken- preventing time branches/alternate realities... But how did Cap manage to put the space stone back in the cube? Or the power stone back on that one planet? Or the reality stone back into Jane? Did he go to Asgard and inject her in the butt with it?! ...Without her knowing?! Also, didn't Thor taking Mjolnir create a new reality? And HOW did Cap return as an old man?! Didn't staying with Peggy create a new timeline? How did he return to the same future?! Dont get me wrong. It was a great movie. But none of it makes sense. Unless I'm missing something? You're probably going to get, if you haven't already, a ton of fanatics saying that none of those are confusing, nor are any of them plot holes, etc. etc.
But they are. Absolutely they messed a few things up for the sake of moving past certain things to keep the story moving.
SPOILERS For example: Where is the Mjonlnir that Captain America took with him when they sent him back in time? He came back as an old man with the shield, but where's the hammer?
That's not a plot hole. Cap took it to return it to Asgard just like the Infinity Stones. That's why he had it.
Now that's a plot hole.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Apr 30, 2019 23:52:48 GMT
You're probably going to get, if you haven't already, a ton of fanatics saying that none of those are confusing, nor are any of them plot holes, etc. etc.
But they are. Absolutely they messed a few things up for the sake of moving past certain things to keep the story moving.
SPOILERS For example: Where is the Mjonlnir that Captain America took with him when they sent him back in time? He came back as an old man with the shield, but where's the hammer?
Now that's a plot hole. Oh. Okay. That makes sense. I guess I missed that. But then why not just have Thor do that? For that matter why no have Thor save Asgard that way?
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 1, 2019 2:20:30 GMT
My guess: Power stone he brings back to that planet while Quill is knocked out Soul stone he brings back to Vormir just as Red Skull is packing his bags Reality stone maybe he gives it to Odin with Mjolnir. I can see him figuring out what’s going on like bald Tilda Swinton did Maybe he can use the time stone on the space stone and mind stone to put them back in the cube/sceptre Give back the time stone last How he ended up on the bench I’m not sure. Perhaps he could’ve gone back to that reality when Peggy died? He walked to the bench. He may have even been there already.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 1, 2019 2:24:16 GMT
That's not a plot hole. Cap took it to return it to Asgard just like the Infinity Stones. That's why he had it.
Now that's a plot hole. Oh. Okay. That makes sense. I guess I missed that. But then why not just have Thor do that? For that matter why no have Thor save Asgard that way?
Not sure what you mean by saving Asgard. Captain America, without a time crunch, agreed to take all of them since he had the time to do so.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 1, 2019 2:25:46 GMT
Cap brought Mjolnir with him when he went back in time, so assumingly he returned it the same he returned the stones. It was sitting next to him in the time machine. But they never resolved Loki stealing the tesseract, so that definitely created a new timeline. Interesting. I didn't see Mjolnir there. Good eye. But... That still doesn't explain how he gets to Asgard or the power stone planet. Or how he gets the Ether back into Jane's butt. He has the exact same tools and locations the previous teams did and plenty of Pym particles.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2019 4:52:18 GMT
Interesting. I didn't see Mjolnir there. Good eye. But... That still doesn't explain how he gets to Asgard or the power stone planet. Or how he gets the Ether back into Jane's butt. He has the exact same tools and locations the previous teams did and plenty of Pym particles. Still... Sounds awfully tricky. Wouldn't Jane wonder why some dude in a spangly outfit is putting the Ether back in her butt?
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 1, 2019 11:13:44 GMT
He has the exact same tools and locations the previous teams did and plenty of Pym particles. Still... Sounds awfully tricky. Wouldn't Jane wonder why some dude in a spangly outfit is putting the Ether back in her butt? She would be asking how Thor got so fat in the space of a few minutes too.
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Post by PreachCaleb on May 1, 2019 13:09:47 GMT
That's not a plot hole. Cap took it to return it to Asgard just like the Infinity Stones. That's why he had it.
Now that's a plot hole. Oh. Okay. That makes sense. I guess I missed that. But then why not just have Thor do that? For that matter why no have Thor save Asgard that way?
Thor's gone already at that point.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on May 1, 2019 14:30:08 GMT
Oh. Okay. That makes sense. I guess I missed that. But then why not just have Thor do that? For that matter why no have Thor save Asgard that way?
Not sure what you mean by saving Asgard. Captain America, without a time crunch, agreed to take all of them since he had the time to do so. Rephrase: rebuild Asgard; a real Asgard, like it used to be, and he can sit on its throne as the rightful heir.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on May 1, 2019 14:45:38 GMT
Oh. Okay. That makes sense. I guess I missed that. But then why not just have Thor do that? For that matter why no have Thor save Asgard that way?
Thor's gone already at that point. But shouldn't Thor do the Asgard stuff? Instead he's gonna go who knows where in space to find himself and crack jokes with morons? ok
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Post by PreachCaleb on May 1, 2019 14:59:22 GMT
Thor's gone already at that point. But shouldn't Thor do the Asgard stuff? Instead he's gonna go who knows where in space to find himself and crack jokes with morons? ok The whole point of his arc is that he's going to stop trying to be what he thinks he "should" be, and just be who he is. He flat out says so. Mjolnir's in worthy hands.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on May 1, 2019 15:37:20 GMT
But shouldn't Thor do the Asgard stuff? Instead he's gonna go who knows where in space to find himself and crack jokes with morons? ok The whole point of his arc is that he's going to stop trying to be what he thinks he "should" be, and just be who he is. He flat out says so. Mjolnir's in worthy hands. That's not the point of his arc. That was some bullshit they had him say at the end of the end of the movie to justify that they wrote him into a rut.
His destiny is unfulfilled unless he gets Mjolnir back, brings Asgard back to its full glory, and becomes Odinson, rightful heir of Asgard. If he doesn't do it then who will?
Anything else is the writers having fun with him by turning him into the Big Lebowski.
The way I see it is that he should re-build Asgard, becomes its ruler, and pass on Mjolnir to female Thor so she can be the defender of Midgard. And they can do that in one more movie. When that happens then I feel we can say goodbye to Chris Hemsworths version of Thor. Because if THIS is the last we've seen of him then its a pretty disappointing ending for him.
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Post by PreachCaleb on May 1, 2019 15:42:49 GMT
The whole point of his arc is that he's going to stop trying to be what he thinks he "should" be, and just be who he is. He flat out says so. Mjolnir's in worthy hands. That's not the point of his arc. That was some bullshit they had him say at the end of the end of the movie to justify that they wrote him into a rut.
His destiny is unfulfilled unless he gets Mjolnir back, brings Asgard back to its full glory, and becomes Odinson, rightful heir of Asgard. If he doesn't do it then who will?
Anything else is the writers having fun with him by turning him into the Big Lebowski.
The way I see it is that he should re-build Asgard, becomes its ruler, and pass on Mjolnir to female Thor so she can be the defender of Midgard. And they can do that in one more movie. When that happens then I feel we can say goodbye to Chris Hemsworths version of Thor. Because if THIS is the last we've seen of him then its a pretty disappointing ending for him.
It was said in the middle of the movie first. And then he completed it. That's an arc. His destiny is not written in stone. And as we saw, Valkyrie is in charge. New Asgard was doing just fine without Thor already. Again, he's not going to define himself by what people think he "should" be or do. It's done. He's going to be what he wants to be. Plus, considering there's going to be a Guardians of the Galaxy 3, it's doubtful this is the last of Thor. So no worries.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on May 1, 2019 15:48:46 GMT
New Asgard was doing just fine without Thor already. You think this...
is doing just fine in comparison to this...
Okay
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Post by charzhino on May 1, 2019 16:09:52 GMT
Captain America didn't 'return' as an old man he went back to the past and stayed there and arrived at that specific moment in the future when they were sending him back in time. Once you go into the past, that becomes your present. Old man cap at the end must have teleported back to 2019 earlier that day and sat on the bench. |
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Post by Larcen26 on May 1, 2019 16:45:54 GMT
Captain America didn't 'return' as an old man he went back to the past and stayed there and arrived at that specific moment in the future when they were sending him back in time. It did not create an alternate timeline as the younger version of him was found in ice in 2011-2012 and took part in everything that transpired from there to then, so there were *two* Steve Rogers co-existing all this time the older one chose to stay low and avoid getting involved with his younger self or his associates and was with Peggy till her passing. It actually did. Joe Russo said that Cap lived his days in an alternate timeline, this explains how he had an in-tact shield to give to Sam. The mystery is how he got from the other timeline to this one and how (and if) he goes back.
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Post by PreachCaleb on May 1, 2019 16:47:46 GMT
I'm sure he had more than enough Pym particles.
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Post by charzhino on May 1, 2019 16:48:50 GMT
The mystery is how he got from the other timeline to this one and how (and if) he goes back. Pym particles |
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2019 16:48:53 GMT
That's not the point of his arc. That was some bullshit they had him say at the end of the end of the movie to justify that they wrote him into a rut.
His destiny is unfulfilled unless he gets Mjolnir back, brings Asgard back to its full glory, and becomes Odinson, rightful heir of Asgard. If he doesn't do it then who will?
Anything else is the writers having fun with him by turning him into the Big Lebowski.
The way I see it is that he should re-build Asgard, becomes its ruler, and pass on Mjolnir to female Thor so she can be the defender of Midgard. And they can do that in one more movie. When that happens then I feel we can say goodbye to Chris Hemsworths version of Thor. Because if THIS is the last we've seen of him then its a pretty disappointing ending for him.
It was said in the middle of the movie first. And then he completed it. That's an arc. His destiny is not written in stone. And as we saw, Valkyrie is in charge. New Asgard was doing just fine without Thor already. Again, he's not going to define himself by what people think he "should" be or do. It's done. He's going to be what he wants to be. Plus, considering there's going to be a Guardians of the Galaxy 3, it's doubtful this is the last of Thor. So no worries. It's such a regressive arc though. "Oh well, I suck. I give up. I'm gonna just be a loser now" after all the maturing he's done? I don't like it.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on May 1, 2019 16:52:34 GMT
Captain America didn't 'return' as an old man he went back to the past and stayed there and arrived at that specific moment in the future when they were sending him back in time. It did not create an alternate timeline as the younger version of him was found in ice in 2011-2012 and took part in everything that transpired from there to then, so there were *two* Steve Rogers co-existing all this time the older one chose to stay low and avoid getting involved with his younger self or his associates and was with Peggy till her passing. It actually did. Joe Russo said that Cap lived his days in an alternate timeline, this explains how he had an in-tact shield to give to Sam. The mystery is how he got from the other timeline to this one and how (and if) he goes back. That's exactly what I thought from the beginning and I have been surprised by so many people saying otherwise on the boards.
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