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Post by Larcen26 on May 1, 2019 16:52:42 GMT
Here's my biggest question... All these people took possession of an infinity stone at any given time throughout the movie... isn't just ONE infinity stone so powerful that it could kill a normal person just by them holding it? Isn't that what almost happened at the end of GOTG Vol 1? Quill only survives because he's half Ego, and the Guardians shared the power by holding hands. And yet, in this movie everyones like "yeah, let me hold them stones for a minute. It'll be fine."
I thought that was a hole at the beginning too... Then I realized that nobody but Thanos touched the POWER stone. While comments in both GOTG films definitely imply nobody should be able t touch ANY of them, but, in the end, it would appear that the Power Stone is the only one incapable of being directly touched. I won't deny it's a slight inconsistency, but it doesn't seem to be a plot hole.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on May 1, 2019 16:55:46 GMT
It was said in the middle of the movie first. And then he completed it. That's an arc. His destiny is not written in stone. And as we saw, Valkyrie is in charge. New Asgard was doing just fine without Thor already. Again, he's not going to define himself by what people think he "should" be or do. It's done. He's going to be what he wants to be. Plus, considering there's going to be a Guardians of the Galaxy 3, it's doubtful this is the last of Thor. So no worries. It's such a regressive arc though. "Oh well, I suck. I give up. I'm gonna just be a loser now" after all the maturing he's done? I don't like it. That's just negative spin. He doesn't say he is going to be a LOSER! We will see what he makes of himself in the future. But he has already saved as many Asgardians as was possible and Thanos is dead and he has put Valkyrie in charge. Being a King is not the best course for everyone that doesn't mean a different course makes them a loser.
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Post by Larcen26 on May 1, 2019 16:55:56 GMT
The mystery is how he got from the other timeline to this one and how (and if) he goes back. Pym particles Most likely, but it's not shown or said, so it's technically a Mystery. It also explains "But why would Cap just sit back throughout history?!!!! Why didn't he save Bucky!?!? Or stop the attack on NY? Or stop Hydra from taking over SHIELD." Maybe he did.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on May 1, 2019 16:57:34 GMT
Here's my biggest question... All these people took possession of an infinity stone at any given time throughout the movie... isn't just ONE infinity stone so powerful that it could kill a normal person just by them holding it? Isn't that what almost happened at the end of GOTG Vol 1? Quill only survives because he's half Ego, and the Guardians shared the power by holding hands. And yet, in this movie everyones like "yeah, let me hold them stones for a minute. It'll be fine."
I thought that was a hole at the beginning too... Then I realized that nobody but Thanos touched the POWER stone. While comments in both GOTG films definitely imply nobody should be able t touch ANY of them, but, in the end, it would appear that the Power Stone is the only one incapable of being directly touched. I won't deny it's a slight inconsistency, but it doesn't seem to be a plot hole. One word; gloves.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2019 16:58:05 GMT
It's such a regressive arc though. "Oh well, I suck. I give up. I'm gonna just be a loser now" after all the maturing he's done? I don't like it. That's just negative spin. He doesn't say he is going to be a LOSER! We will see what he makes of himself in the future. But he has already saved as many Asgardians as was possible and Thanos is dead and he has put Valkyrie in charge. Being a King is not the best course for everyone that doesn't mean a different course makes them a loser. Hyperbole aside, it is a massive regression for the character after the end of his trilogy.
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Post by charzhino on May 1, 2019 16:59:19 GMT
Most likely, but it's not shown or said, so it's technically a Mystery. It also explains "But why would Cap just sit back throughout history?!!!! Why didn't he save Bucky!?!? Or stop the attack on NY? Or stop Hydra from taking over SHIELD." Maybe he did. We already seen Cap earlier in the movie collecting pym particles from the military base. Safe to assume he would become friends with Hank Pym when he goes back in time to get more bottles off him. And when he goes back in time he likely stops hydra, red skull, etc from ever getting too big of a threat
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2019 16:59:29 GMT
Most likely, but it's not shown or said, so it's technically a Mystery. It also explains "But why would Cap just sit back throughout history?!!!! Why didn't he save Bucky!?!? Or stop the attack on NY? Or stop Hydra from taking over SHIELD." Maybe he did. BUT HOW DID HE PUT THE ETHER BACK INTO JANES BUTT?!
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2019 17:00:12 GMT
Here's my biggest question... All these people took possession of an infinity stone at any given time throughout the movie... isn't just ONE infinity stone so powerful that it could kill a normal person just by them holding it? Isn't that what almost happened at the end of GOTG Vol 1? Quill only survives because he's half Ego, and the Guardians shared the power by holding hands. And yet, in this movie everyones like "yeah, let me hold them stones for a minute. It'll be fine."
I thought that was a hole at the beginning too... Then I realized that nobody but Thanos touched the POWER stone. While comments in both GOTG films definitely imply nobody should be able t touch ANY of them, but, in the end, it would appear that the Power Stone is the only one incapable of being directly touched. I won't deny it's a slight inconsistency, but it doesn't seem to be a plot hole. I got the impression the only infinity stone that could be held directly was the soul stone, because of the way it's delivered. I don't recall them being held any other way. Hawkeye held the soul stone for a minute because he was the recipient. Everyone else if they held the stone at all held something that held the stones. Like the gauntlet. The tesseract itself is really kind of a glorified wallet for...oh my God I suddenly can't remember which stone is in it. The point being anybody can lift the tesseract or the glove with the stones.
I was impressed Hawkeye didn't turn to dust when he held the soul stone too but once it happened, it made sense why.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on May 1, 2019 17:04:30 GMT
Most likely, but it's not shown or said, so it's technically a Mystery. It also explains "But why would Cap just sit back throughout history?!!!! Why didn't he save Bucky!?!? Or stop the attack on NY? Or stop Hydra from taking over SHIELD." Maybe he did. BUT HOW DID HE PUT THE ETHER BACK INTO JANES BUTT?!
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Post by Larcen26 on May 1, 2019 17:08:54 GMT
Most likely, but it's not shown or said, so it's technically a Mystery. It also explains "But why would Cap just sit back throughout history?!!!! Why didn't he save Bucky!?!? Or stop the attack on NY? Or stop Hydra from taking over SHIELD." Maybe he did. BUT HOW DID HE PUT THE ETHER BACK INTO JANES BUTT?! I'm assuming that they realized that they already messed with the other timelines so he just went to them and said, "Hey, long story, took this, here you go!" OR...it entered her in Thor: The Dark World simply by her touching it...he could literally have done just about anything to return it.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on May 1, 2019 17:08:55 GMT
It's such a regressive arc though. "Oh well, I suck. I give up. I'm gonna just be a loser now" after all the maturing he's done? I don't like it. That's just negative spin. He doesn't say he is going to be a LOSER! We will see what he makes of himself in the future. But he has already saved as many Asgardians as was possible and Thanos is dead and he has put Valkyrie in charge. Being a King is not the best course for everyone that doesn't mean a different course makes them a loser. Nah, it does. Everybody alive who isn't a monarchal figure ruling a literal kingdom is a loser.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2019 17:29:11 GMT
That's just negative spin. He doesn't say he is going to be a LOSER! We will see what he makes of himself in the future. But he has already saved as many Asgardians as was possible and Thanos is dead and he has put Valkyrie in charge. Being a King is not the best course for everyone that doesn't mean a different course makes them a loser. Nah, it does. Everybody alive who isn't a monarchal figure ruling a literal kingdom is a loser. This guy gets it!!!!!5
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Post by PreachCaleb on May 1, 2019 18:10:44 GMT
That's just negative spin. He doesn't say he is going to be a LOSER! We will see what he makes of himself in the future. But he has already saved as many Asgardians as was possible and Thanos is dead and he has put Valkyrie in charge. Being a King is not the best course for everyone that doesn't mean a different course makes them a loser. Hyperbole aside, it is a massive regression for the character after the end of his trilogy. That's not regression because his character was never like that in the first place. In fact, when he first appears, he's so anxious to be king, he thinks that sitting on the throne and waging war is the only way to protect Asgard.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2019 19:12:23 GMT
Hyperbole aside, it is a massive regression for the character after the end of his trilogy. That's not regression because his character was never like that in the first place. In fact, when he first appears, he's so anxious to be king, he thinks that sitting on the throne and waging war is the only way to protect Asgard. His arc has been from arrogant blowhard to wise selfless King. Ragnorock cements this. Infinity War continued it perfectly by blasting the last bit of arrogance out of him. End Game completely changes the driving force of his arc to "It's not about failing at what you're supposed to be. It's about succeeding at who you really are". That was never his arc. And furthermore, he never failed at being King. He failed at defeating Thanos. End game conveniently conflates the two and it's a bit of a disservice to the character.
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Post by PreachCaleb on May 1, 2019 19:19:14 GMT
That's not regression because his character was never like that in the first place. In fact, when he first appears, he's so anxious to be king, he thinks that sitting on the throne and waging war is the only way to protect Asgard. His arc has been from arrogant blowhard to wise selfless King. Ragnorock cements this. Infinity War continued it perfectly by blasting the last bit of arrogance out of him. End Game completely changes the driving force of his arc to "It's not about failing at what you're supposed to be. It's about succeeding at who you really are". That was never his arc. And furthermore, he never failed at being King. He failed at defeating Thanos. End game conveniently conflates the two and it's a bit of a disservice to the character. Disagree. When did he have time to be a "wise selfless king"? By the time he took the throne, Thanos attacked. He didn't fail at being a king because he didn't have time to be one. And there's nothing wrong with changing the driving force of someone's arc. Tony's arc in Ironman 1 was about taking responsibility. His driving force in Ironman 2 was about facing death and what it means for his legacy. His driving force in Ironman 3 was overcoming PTSD. The only disservice to the character is turning his trauma into a running joke.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on May 2, 2019 17:21:07 GMT
Captain America didn't 'return' as an old man he went back to the past and stayed there and arrived at that specific moment in the future when they were sending him back in time. Once you go into the past, that becomes your present. Old man cap at the end must have teleported back to 2019 earlier that day and sat on the bench. It would appear so, my apologies as The Russos did not make a statement at the time my response was written.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on May 2, 2019 17:27:40 GMT
Captain America didn't 'return' as an old man he went back to the past and stayed there and arrived at that specific moment in the future when they were sending him back in time. It did not create an alternate timeline as the younger version of him was found in ice in 2011-2012 and took part in everything that transpired from there to then, so there were *two* Steve Rogers co-existing all this time the older one chose to stay low and avoid getting involved with his younger self or his associates and was with Peggy till her passing. It actually did. Joe Russo said that Cap lived his days in an alternate timeline, this explains how he had an in-tact shield to give to Sam. The mystery is how he got from the other timeline to this one and how (and if) he goes back. Yes, that is correct, but when I wrote my comment Russo had not made that particular statement. My apologies.
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