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Post by shadyvsesham on May 13, 2019 15:11:38 GMT
HAHAHA, I told you all the leaks were true, and everything the leaks said happen in episode 5. This show is gonna end insanely dumb. Be prepared folks, be prepared for a stupid fn ending....and youre all gonna hate it. I rate this episode a 3, rushed, bad writing and Dany just went mad queen too predictably. This show has fallen folks.... Be prepared for a bad finale, because I know what happens and it's fn dumb.... Rushed? The show has been shoving clues in our face for 8 seasons that she’s a power-hungry bitch who goes ballistic if she doesn’t get what she wants. One of her trademark lines is “You will die screaming if you don’t give me what I demand!” At what point did you get the impression that Game of Thrones was going to have a happy ending? And why would you read spoilers and decide the show is going to suck instead of watching those moments revealed the way they were intended to be revealed, with the emotional heft they were built up to include? I really don’t get it. The entire reason there is a TV show is so that the writers can lead us through a rollercoaster of emotions over a feast of sensory input, so that the events in the story resonate with us. If they intended us to read a shitty few paragraphs of plot leaks — which omit all the context to what happens — then why make the show at all? Why not just send a brief email to everyone that says: “Season 8: Arya kills the Night King, Daenerys loses her mind and slaughters hundreds of thousands of people while turning King’s Landing into a parking lot. Meanwhile, Jon gets a new haircut, Varys gets a little hot under the collar, and Grey Work plans a vacation to Naath.” This is rushed AF. Ill give you an example. When Snow decides to tell his family who he is, we don't see the conversation, they cut it out. If this was season 3, we would have heard and seen the entire convo. That's one example of many. I never asked for a happy ending, who did, I wanted actually to see more mfers go out in the NK battle, but we basically got a lot of boo-boos. I read them late and thought,"this is too fn dumb," and ka-boom. This entire season is rushed dude, if you can't see it I apologize. Watch season 3 and watch season 8, if you can't see the difference...well....
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 13, 2019 15:17:39 GMT
This entire season is rushed dude, if you can't see it I apologize. Watch season 3 and watch season 8, if you can't see the difference...well.... When S3 aired, South Park was parodying the repeated conversation scenes with Lady Olenna in the gardens. They had her mock it in return in S4E04: "If I have to take one more leisurely stroll through these gardens, I'll fling myself from the cliffs." They "fixed" all that and started writing exclusively for morons after S5.
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Post by shinnickneth on May 13, 2019 15:21:40 GMT
The Iron Bank will be feeling this one...
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Post by kilgorek on May 13, 2019 17:19:05 GMT
Nobody fucking asked for a happy ending. Just because they’ve telegraphed something happening, doesn’t mean they earned it. Why don’t you learn what good writing and characterization is instead of using strawman arguments. Go ahead and tell us what “good writing” is. Sure. As a general rule, anything you post could be considered an example of bad writing. Using your own work as a basis, you should be able to gauge the quality of others. If you’re having trouble just let me know. I just wanna help.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on May 13, 2019 19:18:59 GMT
Amazing man. Like did you see the first 5 mins of action. Fucking morons Euron & Cersei so confident and the idiot leader of the Golden Company feeling pretty pleased with what was about to come. And then the mother showed her wrath. Fucking show stealer. Khaleesi of the Great Grass Sea totally annihilated the Iron Fleet and then the Golden company all by herself. Then it was a cake walk. I mean the first 5 minutes was breathtaking. Misa Misa She's done trying to be Mhysa and being loved. People repeatedly betray her, talked behind her back and made moves against her, outcast her, raped her, imprisoned her, etc. I don't blame her, honestly. Cersei waited until the very last moment to ring those damn bells. She was testing Dany's promise to burn the city, and Dany followed through with that promise. Cersei underestimated Dany. She thought Dany wouldn't do whatever was necessary to destroy her enemies, but she was wrong. She took the city with "Fire and Blood!" Post-surrender innocent child burning seems like an odd thing to clap for, but I respect that you guys at least own it.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on May 13, 2019 19:39:54 GMT
So I don't think we can attribute her death to Jaime if he merely changed her location of death. But even if we give it to Jaime on a technicality, I do wish he deliberately did it. Like another poster said, it kind of feels like his arc went nowhere. Jaime's arc was that of a man who poses, wavers then finds and accepts himself. He resisted the ideology of sheep and died a lion. I'm happy with that. I never had anything but contempt for those who wanted to "redeem" Jaime. While not the way I'd word it, I've slept on it and come to terms with it. Jaime was a complicated man in a toxic relationship he could never fully free himself from. I was always more invested in Theon's redemption, anyway.
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Post by Aj_June on May 13, 2019 19:42:04 GMT
She's done trying to be Mhysa and being loved. People repeatedly betray her, talked behind her back and made moves against her, outcast her, raped her, imprisoned her, etc. I don't blame her, honestly. Cersei waited until the very last moment to ring those damn bells. She was testing Dany's promise to burn the city, and Dany followed through with that promise. Cersei underestimated Dany. She thought Dany wouldn't do whatever was necessary to destroy her enemies, but she was wrong. She took the city with "Fire and Blood!" Post-surrender innocent child burning seems like an odd thing to clap for, but I respect that you guys at least own it. The clap was for the initial 5 mins of action and which was simply a great offense by Dany. I wish she could have stopped there. I repeated twice in my post that I was talking about the first assault.
One might say dragon did the killing. But the credit should also be given to the dragon rider who had lost one dragon recently and yet faced many scorpions with better flying technique.
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Post by xystophoros on May 13, 2019 20:00:45 GMT
Rushed? The show has been shoving clues in our face for 8 seasons that she’s a power-hungry bitch who goes ballistic if she doesn’t get what she wants. One of her trademark lines is “You will die screaming if you don’t give me what I demand!” At what point did you get the impression that Game of Thrones was going to have a happy ending? And why would you read spoilers and decide the show is going to suck instead of watching those moments revealed the way they were intended to be revealed, with the emotional heft they were built up to include? I really don’t get it. The entire reason there is a TV show is so that the writers can lead us through a rollercoaster of emotions over a feast of sensory input, so that the events in the story resonate with us. If they intended us to read a shitty few paragraphs of plot leaks — which omit all the context to what happens — then why make the show at all? Why not just send a brief email to everyone that says: “Season 8: Arya kills the Night King, Daenerys loses her mind and slaughters hundreds of thousands of people while turning King’s Landing into a parking lot. Meanwhile, Jon gets a new haircut, Varys gets a little hot under the collar, and Grey Work plans a vacation to Naath.” This is rushed AF. Ill give you an example. When Snow decides to tell his family who he is, we don't see the conversation, they cut it out. If this was season 3, we would have heard and seen the entire convo. That's one example of many. I never asked for a happy ending, who did, I wanted actually to see more mfers go out in the NK battle, but we basically got a lot of boo-boos. I read them late and thought,"this is too fn dumb," and ka-boom. This entire season is rushed dude, if you can't see it I apologize. Watch season 3 and watch season 8, if you can't see the difference...well.... Pretty much every TV show does that — they don’t have characters repeat a story or information on-screen, and leave the reactions or even the entire conversation off-screen. I don’t know why they do that. I suspect it has something to do with not wanting to repeat the same thing over and over, and there may be other reasons, but I’ve seen a lot of shows deprive viewers of reaction scenes on juicy reveals.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2019 21:31:21 GMT
I kept wanting Arya to just piss off this episode. I had no issue with her killing the Night King just had issues with how it was ultimately done. Now it seems her purpose in this episode is to now set up her killing Dany. So, I guess Arya is just going to be just the focus of the finale I guess. I mean, hasn't she kind of done enough already? I liked that Arya was there. Repeatedly she had dreamt of being a soldier, but she really had no grasp of what that actually meant (the sacrifice, the horror, etc.). It was a rude awakening for her. Now she knows the cost of being one, and the destruction that comes with war. Fair enough. I can see that perspective on it. Was there supposed to be some purpose to the white horse though? I've heard some speculate that a white horse symbolizes death but nothing more. I feel like there was some sort of implied meaning to it that I wasn't following. Is that horse something special from the books maybe?
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Post by Marendil on May 13, 2019 21:42:31 GMT
I liked that Arya was there. Repeatedly she had dreamt of being a soldier, but she really had no grasp of what that actually meant (the sacrifice, the horror, etc.). It was a rude awakening for her. Now she knows the cost of being one, and the destruction that comes with war. Fair enough. I can see that perspective on it. Was there supposed to be some purpose to the white horse though? I've heard some speculate that a white horse symbolizes death but nothing more. I feel like there was some sort of implied meaning to it that I wasn't following. Is that horse something special from the books maybe? I don't recall anything from the books, but in Revelations Death rides a pale horse.
That doesn't seem to fit with the conversation she had with the Hound where it appeared she had a turning point and chose life. So maybe it was just a pretty white horse in contrast to the blackened scar of a city.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on May 13, 2019 21:44:21 GMT
I liked that Arya was there. Repeatedly she had dreamt of being a soldier, but she really had no grasp of what that actually meant (the sacrifice, the horror, etc.). It was a rude awakening for her. Now she knows the cost of being one, and the destruction that comes with war. Fair enough. I can see that perspective on it. Was there supposed to be some purpose to the white horse though? It was an Uber.
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Post by shinnickneth on May 13, 2019 21:53:11 GMT
Post-surrender innocent child burning seems like an odd thing to clap for, but I respect that you guys at least own it. I didn't clap.
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Post by deviates on May 13, 2019 21:55:29 GMT
Trying to squeeze in to six episodes what needed to be in two seasons has led to some of the most ludicrously condensed character 'developments'. Foreshadowing is one thing, but you've got to actually earn the pay off. They might as well have had Dany find a couple of hairs with split ends as she approached King's Landing and decided 'bugger it, kill them all'.
The Mad Queen was a great direction to take her character in. Shame it was so poorly handled.
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Post by shinnickneth on May 13, 2019 21:57:18 GMT
Fair enough. I can see that perspective on it. Was there supposed to be some purpose to the white horse though? I've heard some speculate that a white horse symbolizes death but nothing more. I feel like there was some sort of implied meaning to it that I wasn't following. Is that horse something special from the books maybe? I'm not sure. It was the horse she rode into King's Landing on, but beyond that, I don't know.
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Post by Marendil on May 13, 2019 22:31:27 GMT
Fair enough. I can see that perspective on it. Was there supposed to be some purpose to the white horse though? I've heard some speculate that a white horse symbolizes death but nothing more. I feel like there was some sort of implied meaning to it that I wasn't following. Is that horse something special from the books maybe? I'm not sure. It was the horse she rode into King's Landing on, but beyond that, I don't know. Was it? All white horses look alike to me. Interesting it lost its saddle.
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Post by Marv on May 14, 2019 0:16:07 GMT
Fair enough. I can see that perspective on it. Was there supposed to be some purpose to the white horse though? I've heard some speculate that a white horse symbolizes death but nothing more. I feel like there was some sort of implied meaning to it that I wasn't following. Is that horse something special from the books maybe? I'm not sure. It was the horse she rode into King's Landing on, but beyond that, I don't know. Pretty sure she rode to KL on a black horse. I randomly noticed the difference in leg hair on the horses in that scene. Only reason I kinda remember.
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Post by shinnickneth on May 14, 2019 0:58:30 GMT
Pretty sure she rode to KL on a black horse. I randomly noticed the difference in leg hair on the horses in that scene. Only reason I kinda remember. You're right. Arya and The Hound set out from Winterfell on black horses. The next time we see them, they're on foot entering King's Landing when Jaime is right behind them. No white horse...I'm not sure why I thought she had a white horse haha.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2019 0:59:24 GMT
Fair enough. I can see that perspective on it. Was there supposed to be some purpose to the white horse though? I've heard some speculate that a white horse symbolizes death but nothing more. I feel like there was some sort of implied meaning to it that I wasn't following. Is that horse something special from the books maybe? I'm not sure. It was the horse she rode into King's Landing on, but beyond that, I don't know. I think I heard somebody speculate that it was the leader of the Golden Company's horse. That's why I was curious if there was some sort of book significance to it.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2019 1:00:55 GMT
This one
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Post by Marendil on May 14, 2019 1:05:47 GMT
Was it? All white horses look alike to me. Interesting it lost its saddle. Oh, maybe not. It could just be coincidental she rode in on a white horse, lost hers, and gained another white horse at the end. Marv was right, I just checked, the horse she left Winterfell on was black. You must be thinking of the one she acquired from Polliver's crew back in season four, that was white. I don't know if they wanted us to believe it was the same horse, though perhaps the production used the same one.
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