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Post by Skaathar on May 19, 2019 20:36:10 GMT
So you're saying action/sci-fi movies are the only legitimate leading lady parts that you're taking into consideration. I am saying that Theron obviously feels that for the action film audience she can still be the lead-so she doesn't want to dilute that by appearing as the mother in someone else's action film. I think there is even discussions of turning her Mad Max character into a separate series.
I think you're reaching and making stuff up as you go. I mean, there's nothing wrong by voicing out your theory, as long as you admit it's just a theory. |
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Post by Prime etc. on May 19, 2019 20:37:21 GMT
I think you're reaching and making stuff up as you go. I mean, there's nothing wrong by voicing out your theory, as long as you admit it's just a theory. It's called intellectual fine-tuning. You seem unable to grasp why she doesn't just "do a Kidman" and I think the reasons are clear.
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Post by Skaathar on May 19, 2019 20:46:29 GMT
I think you're reaching and making stuff up as you go. I mean, there's nothing wrong by voicing out your theory, as long as you admit it's just a theory. It's called intellectual fine-tuning. You seem unable to grasp why she doesn't just "do a Kidman" and I think the reasons are clear.
No, it's called theorizing. Look, you originally said well-known actors don't like playing 2nd fiddle parent roles to lesser known actors. I mentioned Anthony Hopkins, Russel Crowe and Nicole Kidman to prove you wrong. You then mentioned that these actors are not as famous as Theron. I pointed out that Kidman has done a lot more work than Theron and is currently slated for a lot more work in the future. You then changed tactic to only limiting the movies to action movies. Like I said, it seems you're making this up as you go because you literally don't have proof to back this up. |
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Post by Prime etc. on May 19, 2019 20:55:04 GMT
No, it's called theorizing. Look, you originally said well-known actors don't like playing 2nd fiddle parent roles to lesser known actors. I mentioned Anthony Hopkins, Russel Crowe and Nicole Kidman to prove you wrong. You then mentioned that these actors are not as famous as Theron. I pointed out that Kidman has done a lot more work than Theron and is currently slated for a lot more work in the future. You then changed tactic to only limiting the movies to action movies. Like I said, it seems you're making this up as you go because you literally don't have proof to back this up.
lol You are not adhering to what I said. The gist here is that Theron has had lead action parts and now she is being asked to do a mother role for another actress in an action film series. Kidman AFAIK has not had action lead roles--she's more of a straight dramatic or comedy actress who doesn't do stunts. Theron has seen her profile rise into specific action-oriented roles lately.
Hopkins is not even remotely comparable. His most famous role was co-starring--Jodie Foster was the lead. Crowe is pushing 60 so he's in a separate category. Kidman is the closest valid comparison but looking at her IMDB she is switching to tv. This is why I say Theron sees herself in a separate situation. You are making this more difficult than it needs to be.
I know someone who worked with Theron on a movie and he said she was "feisty."
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Post by poelzig on May 20, 2019 6:36:05 GMT
They should had offered her the part of Cheetah. It writes itself;she's South African ffs. I'm baffled they went with Kristen Wiig. Kat dennings would have been better as cheetah She looks nothing like Cheetah. Does WW have an enemy named Hippo? Maybe they could create a role for Dennings. How about a character called Fatt Katt? It practically writes itself.
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Post by Skaathar on May 20, 2019 9:33:52 GMT
No, it's called theorizing. Look, you originally said well-known actors don't like playing 2nd fiddle parent roles to lesser known actors. I mentioned Anthony Hopkins, Russel Crowe and Nicole Kidman to prove you wrong. You then mentioned that these actors are not as famous as Theron. I pointed out that Kidman has done a lot more work than Theron and is currently slated for a lot more work in the future. You then changed tactic to only limiting the movies to action movies. Like I said, it seems you're making this up as you go because you literally don't have proof to back this up.
lol You are not adhering to what I said. The gist here is that Theron has had lead action parts and now she is being asked to do a mother role for another actress in an action film series. Kidman AFAIK has not had action lead roles--she's more of a straight dramatic or comedy actress who doesn't do stunts. Theron has seen her profile rise into specific action-oriented roles lately.
Hopkins is not even remotely comparable. His most famous role was co-starring--Jodie Foster was the lead. Crowe is pushing 60 so he's in a separate category. Kidman is the closest valid comparison but looking at her IMDB she is switching to tv. This is why I say Theron sees herself in a separate situation. You are making this more difficult than it needs to be.
I know someone who worked with Theron on a movie and he said she was "feisty."
And so we go back to it being simple pride. Since there is no proof that getting cast as secondary characters automatically kills your leading role capacity. |
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Post by Prime etc. on May 20, 2019 15:53:20 GMT
And so we go back to it being simple pride. Since there is no proof that getting cast as secondary characters automatically kills your leading role capacity. There's no proof of the opposite either since you can't cite any women action stars as an example to prove her concerns wrong.
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Post by Skaathar on May 20, 2019 16:14:40 GMT
And so we go back to it being simple pride. Since there is no proof that getting cast as secondary characters automatically kills your leading role capacity. There's no proof of the opposite either since you can't cite any women action stars as an example to prove her concerns wrong.
She never claimed it was limited to action stars, you're the one claiming that therefore you need to provide proof. I already provided proof, you just went ahead and narrowed it down to action stars just to counter my proof. But at least I tried posting some kind of proof. What's your proof? |
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Post by Prime etc. on May 20, 2019 16:27:01 GMT
She never claimed it was limited to action stars, you're the one claiming that therefore you need to provide proof. I already provided proof, you just went ahead and narrowed it down to action stars just to counter my proof. But at least I tried posting some kind of proof. What's your proof? She's talking about playing the mother in an action film series.
The context matters. You didn't provide proof. Nicole Kidman did a superhero movie-now she does tv. How does that invalidate Theron's point? Kidman was never doing action film leads.
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Post by Skaathar on May 20, 2019 16:36:36 GMT
She never claimed it was limited to action stars, you're the one claiming that therefore you need to provide proof. I already provided proof, you just went ahead and narrowed it down to action stars just to counter my proof. But at least I tried posting some kind of proof. What's your proof? She's talking about playing the mother in an action film series.
The context matters. You didn't provide proof. Nicole Kidman did a superhero movie-now she does tv. How does that invalidate Theron's point? Kidman was never doing action film leads.
You made a claim and never provided proof. That's what it boils down to. I provided proof to back up what I said, you just didn't like it so you limited it to action movies. Let's not pretend Theron only does action movies. She's far from being an action star. |
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Post by Prime etc. on May 20, 2019 16:54:16 GMT
You made a claim and never provided proof. That's what it boils down to. I provided proof to back up what I said, you just didn't like it so you limited it to action movies. Let's not pretend Theron only does action movies. She's far from being an action star. I didn't have to provide proof. You did it for me. And right-she isn't an action star--but had prominent roles in that genre recently.
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Post by Skaathar on May 20, 2019 17:19:08 GMT
You made a claim and never provided proof. That's what it boils down to. I provided proof to back up what I said, you just didn't like it so you limited it to action movies. Let's not pretend Theron only does action movies. She's far from being an action star. I didn't have to provide proof. You did it for me. And right-she isn't an action star--but had prominent roles in that genre recently.
Either prove that female action stars crash their careers after taking on a secondary role or just admit that all you have is a theory. So, do you have proof? |
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Post by Prime etc. on May 20, 2019 17:26:44 GMT
Either prove that female action stars crash their careers after taking on a secondary role or just admit that all you have is a theory. So, do you have proof? But you cant prove she is wrong. If you could prove she is wrong then you might have something. But you could only cite Kidman who doesn't invalidate her concerns.
This merri-go-round makes me dizzy.
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Post by Skaathar on May 20, 2019 17:51:22 GMT
Either prove that female action stars crash their careers after taking on a secondary role or just admit that all you have is a theory. So, do you have proof? But you cant prove she is wrong. If you could prove she is wrong then you might have something. But you could only cite Kidman who doesn't invalidate her concerns.
This merri-go-round makes me dizzy.
That's not how debates work dude. If you make the claim, you're the one who needs to provide the proof. If you make a claim like "Women find me hotter than Jason Momoa" and I ask you to prove it, you can't come back with "well, prove that I'm not. If you can't prove that I'm not hotter than Momoa then obviously I'm right." Now you made a claim that female action stars' careers take a dive after taking a single secondary role. So prove it. Otherwise just admit that it's simply a theory on your part (which would be the sensible and non-arrogant thing to do). |
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Post by Prime etc. on May 20, 2019 18:16:32 GMT
That's not how debates work dude. If you make the claim, you're the one who needs to provide the proof. If you make a claim like "Women find me hotter than Jason Momoa" and I ask you to prove it, you can't come back with "well, prove that I'm not. If you can't prove that I'm not hotter than Momoa then obviously I'm right." Now you made a claim that female action stars' careers take a dive after taking a single secondary role. So prove it. Otherwise just admit that it's simply a theory on your part (which would be the sensible and non-arrogant thing to do). I said she is concerned form a business sense that if she accepts a mother role in someone else's action series, it may diminish her own position in action star films (Atomic Blonde--Mad Max). Assuming she does sequels for them. You then said in effect it was silly since Nicole Kidman, Russell Crowe etc. didn't face the same. Obviously they did not-since their situations are different. In order for her view to be unfounded, there would need to be an example to disprove her concerns. Who is the example to disprove her POV?
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Post by Skaathar on May 20, 2019 19:07:09 GMT
That's not how debates work dude. If you make the claim, you're the one who needs to provide the proof. If you make a claim like "Women find me hotter than Jason Momoa" and I ask you to prove it, you can't come back with "well, prove that I'm not. If you can't prove that I'm not hotter than Momoa then obviously I'm right." Now you made a claim that female action stars' careers take a dive after taking a single secondary role. So prove it. Otherwise just admit that it's simply a theory on your part (which would be the sensible and non-arrogant thing to do). I said she is concerned form a business sense that if she accepts a mother role in someone else's action series, it may diminish her own position in action star films (Atomic Blonde--Mad Max). Assuming she does sequels for them. You then said in effect it was silly since Nicole Kidman, Russell Crowe etc. didn't face the same. Obviously they did not-since their situations are different. In order for her view to be unfounded, there would need to be an example to disprove her concerns. Who is the example to disprove her POV?
This is what you're claiming: "Once she accepts a supporting role it will diminish her lead status." And these are not Theron's words, she never said anything like this. This is simply your interpretation of what might have been going through her head. Now, do you agree that this is simply your theory or are you going to insist this is fact? If it's the latter, please provide proof. |
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Post by Prime etc. on May 20, 2019 19:12:15 GMT
This is what you're claiming: "Once she accepts a supporting role it will diminish her lead status." Right. Since it is a high profile action film-and no one else has done such a thing.
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Post by Skaathar on May 20, 2019 19:26:45 GMT
This is what you're claiming: "Once she accepts a supporting role it will diminish her lead status." Right. Since it is a high profile action film-and no one else has done such a thing.
Ok, glad we got that cleared up. Now, is this merely your theory or do you claim this as fact? BTW, Dwayne Johnson took secondary roles despite his action lead status. His lead parts only continued to grow. |
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Post by Prime etc. on May 20, 2019 19:46:27 GMT
Ok, glad we got that cleared up. Now, is this merely your theory or do you claim this as fact? BTW, Dwayne Johnson took secondary roles despite his action lead status. His lead parts only continued to grow. He's not a white woman and hasn't played a mother so far.
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Post by Skaathar on May 20, 2019 20:41:28 GMT
Ok, glad we got that cleared up. Now, is this merely your theory or do you claim this as fact? BTW, Dwayne Johnson took secondary roles despite his action lead status. His lead parts only continued to grow. He's not a white woman and hasn't played a mother so far. Ok so now you're limiting this to only a white woman normally playing action roles who gets asked to play a mother to a lesser known actress in an action movie. Getting extremely specific aren't we? It seems you're tailor fitting this specifically to defend Charlize Theron. In any case, you yourself mentioned that this has never been done before, therefore there would be no basis for it would there? You can't claim it is a fact since there is no data to support it. Are you willing to admit that it was simply a theory on your part now?
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