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Post by jon snow loves sansa on May 6, 2019 21:46:51 GMT
same goes for jon who is chicken scared of dragon queen and bows his head whatever she says
IF dany listened to sansa and delayed the attack at KL danys second dragon would be alive
Missandei would be alive
Now ...she is left with only one dragon and his days are numbered ..
and her best friend is gone.
Sansa cared for all their forces to be rested , dany didn't .
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Post by pk9 on May 6, 2019 22:22:27 GMT
It would have been helpful if Sansa actually had a concrete plan for allowing the troops to recover. When she didn't answer Dany's "how long do they need?" question, it became obvious she was just stalling because she didn't want to send the troops ever.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 7, 2019 4:03:51 GMT
It would have been helpful if Sansa actually had a concrete plan for allowing the troops to recover. When she didn't answer Dany's "how long do they need?" question, it became obvious she was just stalling because she didn't want to send the troops ever. This is the typical dumbass criticism saying "don't point out a problem unless you have a solution".
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Post by DSDSquared on May 7, 2019 13:59:18 GMT
It would have been helpful if Sansa actually had a concrete plan for allowing the troops to recover. When she didn't answer Dany's "how long do they need?" question, it became obvious she was just stalling because she didn't want to send the troops ever. This is the typical dumbass criticism saying "don't point out a problem unless you have a solution". Except that this is what Sansa always does. She is such a 'genius' yet never has solutions for everything. She begged Jon to attack Winterfell then complained he did not have enough men. He already told her this earlier and she did not care. Now she does for some reason and offered no solutions, even though she actually had one in the Vale. Now she has some more sound advice. Wait to attack King's Landing. Never mind that Dany could have won the war in ten mibutes if she attacked Kings Landing the second she sailed to Westeros. Sure, Sansa couldn't tell anyone how long they should wait or what any of the plans would be for waiting, but just wait. Genius. This is the same girl who has hated Dany since she arrived and has been nothing but cold to her. Even after this she once again plots to overthrow her by going back on her word in about five minutes to gossip with Tyrion.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 7, 2019 14:03:24 GMT
This is the typical dumbass criticism saying "don't point out a problem unless you have a solution". Except that this is what Sansa always does. She is such a 'genius' yet never has solutions for everything. She begged Jon to attack Winterfell then complained he did not have enough men. He already told her this earlier and she did not care. Now she does for some reason and offered no solutions, even though she actually had one in the Vale. Now she has some more sound advice. Wait to attack King's Landing. Never mind that Dany could have won the war in ten mibutes if she attacked Kings Landing the second she sailed to Westeros. Sure, Sansa couldn't tell anyone how long they should wait or what any of the plans would be for waiting, but just wait. Genius. This is the same girl who has hated Dany since she arrived and has been nothing but cold to her. Even after this she once again plots to overthrow her by going back on her word in about five minutes to gossip with Tyrion. Anything that undermines the hero of scum is good. I would love Sansa just for this. And once again, warning of a problem has value on its own, only not for dumbfucks who feel insecure about people who appear to be above their own level. Why don't you go fuck yourself? Your input is worthless and your resentment stinks.
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Post by DSDSquared on May 7, 2019 14:04:37 GMT
Except that this is what Sansa always does. She is such a 'genius' yet never has solutions for everything. She begged Jon to attack Winterfell then complained he did not have enough men. He already told her this earlier and she did not care. Now she does for some reason and offered no solutions, even though she actually had one in the Vale. Now she has some more sound advice. Wait to attack King's Landing. Never mind that Dany could have won the war in ten mibutes if she attacked Kings Landing the second she sailed to Westeros. Sure, Sansa couldn't tell anyone how long they should wait or what any of the plans would be for waiting, but just wait. Genius. This is the same girl who has hated Dany since she arrived and has been nothing but cold to her. Even after this she once again plots to overthrow her by going back on her word in about five minutes to gossip with Tyrion. Anything that undermines the hero of scum is good. I would love Sansa just for this. And once again, warning of a problem has value on its own, only not for dumbfucks who feel insecure about people who appear to be above their own level. Why don't you go fuck yourself? Your input is worthless and your resentment stinks. Okay. That makes no sense but more power to you. What has Sansa done in eight seasons of value? I'll wait.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 7, 2019 14:06:11 GMT
Anything that undermines the hero of scum is good. I would love Sansa just for this. And once again, warning of a problem has value on its own, only not for dumbfucks who feel insecure about people who appear to be above their own level. Why don't you go fuck yourself? Your input is worthless and your resentment stinks. Okay. That makes no sense but more power to you. What has Sansa done in eight seasons of value? I'll wait. You don't see it. That's the point. I know time is wasted on you.
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on May 7, 2019 16:42:18 GMT
This is the typical dumbass criticism saying "don't point out a problem unless you have a solution". Except that this is what Sansa always does. She is such a 'genius' yet never has solutions for everything. She begged Jon to attack Winterfell then complained he did not have enough men. He already told her this earlier and she did not care. Now she does for some reason and offered no solutions, even though she actually had one in the Vale. Now she has some more sound advice. Wait to attack King's Landing. Never mind that Dany could have won the war in ten mibutes if she attacked Kings Landing the second she sailed to Westeros. Sure, Sansa couldn't tell anyone how long they should wait or what any of the plans would be for waiting, but just wait. Genius. This is the same girl who has hated Dany since she arrived and has been nothing but cold to her. Even after this she once again plots to overthrow her by going back on her word in about five minutes to gossip with Tyrion. she is smart and if they did what she told them dany would have one more dragon and her bestie would still be alive RESTING FORCES that means you rest you take a break you dont need a grant explanation plan , i do not see what she was asking for whats so bad that dragon queen fliped over ?dany doesnt want friends she confirmed it to jon she wants sansa to bow her head not say a word and follow whatever she says sansa is smart enough to know this she knows what dany is all about and sees right through her just like she saw tyrions fear of dany .
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on May 7, 2019 16:43:58 GMT
It would have been helpful if Sansa actually had a concrete plan for allowing the troops to recover. When she didn't answer Dany's "how long do they need?" question, it became obvious she was just stalling because she didn't want to send the troops ever. This is the typical dumbass criticism saying "don't point out a problem unless you have a solution". nothing is going to be good enough for them dany is going to lit up KL next week but somehow they will find a way to blame sansa for it just wait and see thats how delusional some fans are they do not understand what they are watching .
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Post by pk9 on May 7, 2019 22:48:13 GMT
Except that this is what Sansa always does. She is such a 'genius' yet never has solutions for everything. She begged Jon to attack Winterfell then complained he did not have enough men. He already told her this earlier and she did not care. Now she does for some reason and offered no solutions, even though she actually had one in the Vale. Now she has some more sound advice. Wait to attack King's Landing. Never mind that Dany could have won the war in ten mibutes if she attacked Kings Landing the second she sailed to Westeros. Sure, Sansa couldn't tell anyone how long they should wait or what any of the plans would be for waiting, but just wait. Genius. This is the same girl who has hated Dany since she arrived and has been nothing but cold to her. Even after this she once again plots to overthrow her by going back on her word in about five minutes to gossip with Tyrion. she is smart and if they did what she told them dany would have one more dragon and her bestie would still be alive Dany would have one more dragon and her bestie would still be alive if someone had told her "Hey, why don't we keep the army together and inland where Euron's forces are no threat?" In this scenario, resting or not resting is irrelevant.
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on May 8, 2019 14:13:09 GMT
she is smart and if they did what she told them dany would have one more dragon and her bestie would still be alive Dany would have one more dragon and her bestie would still be alive if someone had told her "Hey, why don't we keep the army together and inland where Euron's forces are no threat?" In this scenario, resting or not resting is irrelevant. if you had a doomed flight to take and someone stopped you either accidentally or suggested to you not to take that flight on that day and you later learn that flight went down would it be irrelevant your life got saved?
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Post by Nightman on May 8, 2019 15:49:16 GMT
Going back farther, if Dany had listened to Asha and Olenna, she would have had the Iron Throne last season.
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Post by Winter_King on May 8, 2019 16:16:41 GMT
Both had a point IMO.
Dany had a point that the more she delays the attack, the more Cersei can improve the defenses and gather more manpower to defend the city. I remind you that during the time that Dany went north to deal with the White Walker threat, King's Landing engineers have been working around the clock to create more dragon killing balistas and added the Golden company to their armies..
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Post by Winter_King on May 8, 2019 16:21:37 GMT
she is smart and if they did what she told them dany would have one more dragon and her bestie would still be alive Dany would have one more dragon and her bestie would still be alive if someone had told her "Hey, why don't we keep the army together and inland where Euron's forces are no threat?" In this scenario, resting or not resting is irrelevant. Well because unlike what some might think, the battle tactics in this show have always suffered from writing issues. To the point the Battle of Blackwater in season 2. No one would attack a coastal city just by one side. You attack from both sides. Just like it was described in the books. Attacking King's Landing from both the sea and the land sounds like the right move. Especially if you're intent is to starve the city into submission.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 8, 2019 16:24:44 GMT
Both had a point IMO. Dany had a point that the more she delays the attack, the more Cersei can improve the defenses and gather more manpower to defend the city. I remind you that during the time that Dany went north to deal with the White Walker threat, King's Landing engineers have been working around the clock to create more dragon killing balistas and added the Golden company to their armies.. So at this point King's Landing is as ready as it's going to get. Better go there in the best possible shape too. Daenerys is shown as the impulsive hot head and Sansa as the thoughtful future ruler. This is what the writing presents. Sansa haters will choke. I would be looking forward to it but I'm not sure how to get choked idiots to post videos of themselves after they died. We need to work on this.
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Post by Winter_King on May 8, 2019 16:27:50 GMT
Both had a point IMO. Dany had a point that the more she delays the attack, the more Cersei can improve the defenses and gather more manpower to defend the city. I remind you that during the time that Dany went north to deal with the White Walker threat, King's Landing engineers have been working around the clock to create more dragon killing balistas and added the Golden company to their armies.. So at this point King's Landing is as ready as it's going to get. Better go there in the best possible shape too. Daenerys is shown as the impulsive hot head and Sansa as the thoughtful future ruler. This is what the writing presents. Sansa haters will choke. I would be looking forward to it but I'm not sure how to get choked idiots to post videos of themselves after they died. We need to work on this. I'm not sure if that's true. For all I know more time, might give Cersei more men to fight for her.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 8, 2019 16:39:36 GMT
So at this point King's Landing is as ready as it's going to get. Better go there in the best possible shape too. Daenerys is shown as the impulsive hot head and Sansa as the thoughtful future ruler. This is what the writing presents. Sansa haters will choke. I would be looking forward to it but I'm not sure how to get choked idiots to post videos of themselves after they died. We need to work on this. I'm not sure if that's true. For all I know more time, might give Cersei more men to fight for her. Or less food to hold in a siege. But Daenerys has no patience for a siege, I suppose. One more flaw in her.
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Post by DSDSquared on May 8, 2019 16:42:19 GMT
I'm not sure if that's true. For all I know more time, might give Cersei more men to fight for her. Or less food to hold in a siege. But Daenerys has no patience for a siege, I suppose. One more flaw in her. Do you even read your posts? How in the World has Dany not shown patience? Was it when she stayed in Mareen to rule when she could have sailed to King's Landing? No? How about when she decided not to attack King's Landing when she landed at Dragonstone because she did not want that many civilian casualties? I guess she was inpatient then too?
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Post by xystophoros on May 10, 2019 4:29:16 GMT
What makes you think Euron et al wouldn’t be waiting to ambush Daenerys if she arrived two or three weeks later? It would’ve been the same thing.
The conversation between Sansa and Dany was stupid, as was the fact that no one had the balls to tell Daenerys that marching a tattered and wounded army for a month is a nice way to lose the rest of your forces. She no longer has Jorah around to temper her impulses and give her common sense advice on military matters.
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Post by Marendil on May 10, 2019 7:21:25 GMT
What makes you think Euron et al wouldn’t be waiting to ambush Daenerys if she arrived two or three weeks later? It would’ve been the same thing. The conversation between Sansa and Dany was stupid, as was the fact that no one had the balls to tell Daenerys that marching a tattered and wounded army for a month is a nice way to lose the rest of your forces. She no longer has Jorah around to temper her impulses and give her common sense advice on military matters. I saw that scene differently. I think you may have a point with your last sentence, but not in this particular instance.
Why would they be especially tired? They fought for part of a night. Did they look 'exhausted' feasting in Winterfell's hall? The only ones who really had anywhere to desert to was the Northern Army, best way to keep that army together is get it out of the North before they decide to go home. The Wildlings were the last to get there and thus got the least rest before the battle and left with everyone else. As you note, it's not like they're going straight into battle, there's a month on the road ahead they can slow the march if need be, or camp somewhere like Cerwyn or Moat Cailin.
Sansa hadn't even spoken to her officers, she just pulled that out of her ass. Note Jon's expression when he turned to look at her and his tone of voice when he spoke and the fact that directly previous Daenerys had backed down from taking King's Landing in favor of the siege and blockade strategy suggested by Jon and Tyrion. Jorah was not needed to temper her impulses at that juncture and both Jon and Tyrion were not shy to speak up. Sansa was just being difficult, perhaps to delay the departure of the Northern Army, and Daenerys realized it when Sansa revealed she'd not spoken to the officers.
However due to other developments in this episode I do think you might be on to something regarding the loss of Jorah. Greyworm now is the only one left that was with her for any length of time in Essos, her trust in pretty much everyone else can be undermined if she finds out Tyrion found out about Jon's heritage through Jon telling Sansa, the only thing she ever begged for. If Greyworm is overly distraught over the death of Missandei and is feeling vengeful towards Cersei and anyone associated with her, Jorah's councel might be sorely missed...
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