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Post by pk9 on May 9, 2019 20:45:16 GMT
I'm still waiting for the evidence that it was Jon that revealed Gendry parentage to Dany. who else then??? it was jon otherwise there was no need to have that eye contact exchange with davos and jon looked guilty as hell if it was someone else there would be no need to have davos looking at jon like he wanted to smack him ,, davos wants to protect gendry and please remember a lot of things go on this show OFF CAMERA i think we have established that over and over but the footage and that scene is good enough That's not how I interpreted the glance. I thought they were both looking worried because they didn't know what Dany was about to do to Gendry.
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on May 9, 2019 20:52:05 GMT
who else then??? it was jon otherwise there was no need to have that eye contact exchange with davos and jon looked guilty as hell if it was someone else there would be no need to have davos looking at jon like he wanted to smack him ,, davos wants to protect gendry and please remember a lot of things go on this show OFF CAMERA i think we have established that over and over but the footage and that scene is good enough That's not how I interpreted the glance. I thought they were both looking worried because they didn't know what Dany was about to do to Gendry. the fact that they were "worried" says a lot about how they feel about dany
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 9, 2019 21:08:31 GMT
That's not how I interpreted the glance. I thought they were both looking worried because they didn't know what Dany was about to do to Gendry. the fact that they were "worried" says a lot about how they feel about dany [Or how she would feel about the son of the person who led the rebellion that killed her family. |
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on May 10, 2019 0:39:43 GMT
the fact that they were "worried" says a lot about how they feel about dany [Or how she would feel about the son of the person who led the rebellion that killed her family. She has nothing to be worried about ,Gendry didn't know his father , Robert didn't raise him and gendry doesn't know much about Roberts rebellion he is harmless but yet he seems to be targeted and used as a pawn for his fathers acts first by stannis and now Dany
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 10, 2019 0:49:13 GMT
[Or how she would feel about the son of the person who led the rebellion that killed her family. She has nothing to be worried about ,Gendry didn't know his father , Robert didn't raise him and gendry doesn't know much about Roberts rebellion he is harmless but yet he seems to be targeted and used as a pawn for his fathers acts first by stannis and now Dany What a pawn going from a bastard to Lord Paramount of the Stormlands.
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Post by Marv on May 10, 2019 1:10:31 GMT
I’m glad she told. There’s no reason to keep this a secret.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on May 10, 2019 9:04:36 GMT
i dont understand why sansa is being bashed for revealing to tyrion jons parentage Because of willful ignorance. This isn't Jon's middle school crush she spilled, it's a major political checkmate against someone Sansa doesn't want in power. The show is literally called "GAME OF THRONES", not "Polite Kept Secrets of Thrones". Maybe Sansa should have stayed quiet, gone to Dany personally to discuss the situation, and gotten her head cut off like her dad. |
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Post by xystophoros on May 10, 2019 9:38:45 GMT
i dont understand why sansa is being bashed for revealing to tyrion jons parentage Because of willful ignorance. This isn't Jon's middle school crush she spilled, it's a major political checkmate against someone Sansa doesn't want in power. The show is literally called "GAME OF THRONES", not "Polite Kept Secrets of Thrones". Maybe Sansa should have stayed quiet, gone to Dany personally to discuss the situation, and gotten her head cut off like her dad. This. It’s glaringly obvious to the point where I can’t believe there’s a three-page thread about it. But on top of that, Sansa came right out and told Daenerys she doesn’t want the North to be subservient to her. I don’t know how much clearer it can be.
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Post by Morgana on May 10, 2019 10:11:13 GMT
i will have to watch the episode again from last season but i think davos made it very clear to jon it was a secret-it was gendry who revealed it to jon and davos didnt like it does it really matter if he swore or not -what are they 12 years old? i mean when jon used that line with the girls it made me laugh out loud unless they will use this as some kind of treason against sansa which will be so dumb this is why i posted what i did to remind a few that jon did exactly what sansa did sansa did it with good intentions to keep jon safe , jon told someone that can literally execute gendry if she wanted to .ygritte was right jon knows nothing then he asks sansa to have faith in him. A couple points: 1) Jon never made an oath to keep Gendry's parentage a secret. In fact, Davos never asked it of him. Davos instructed Gendry to keep it a secret, and Gendry ignored that instruction. It was Gendry's choice. The fact that Davos made it known that he personally would prefer/advise that Gendry's parentage be kept quiet is irrelevant because Gendry didn't want it kept secret. 2) Many people are suggesting that Sansa's playing the Game like Littlefinger taught her, but the scene did not play out that way. Sansa made a spur of the moment decision to tell Tyrion right as he was leaving. It was in reaction to their conversation; it was not pre-planned. I disagree. I think it was a careful choice made by Sansa. She wants Jon on the Iron throne, and she, herself ruling the North.
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Post by Morgana on May 10, 2019 10:16:50 GMT
What I was trying to say was that Sansa back then, had objections to Jon Snow bending the knee to Dany because she wants the North to be an independent kingdom. I don't think she cares that much if she sits on the Iron throne as long as the North is kept free. As Sansa herself basically explained to Dany in episode 2. Yes, but her now knowing that Jon is the rightful heir to the Iron throne means if he is King the North is guaranteed their independence, or won't even need it if Jon is ruling all 7 kingdoms.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 10, 2019 10:55:39 GMT
A couple points: 1) Jon never made an oath to keep Gendry's parentage a secret. In fact, Davos never asked it of him. Davos instructed Gendry to keep it a secret, and Gendry ignored that instruction. It was Gendry's choice. The fact that Davos made it known that he personally would prefer/advise that Gendry's parentage be kept quiet is irrelevant because Gendry didn't want it kept secret. 2) Many people are suggesting that Sansa's playing the Game like Littlefinger taught her, but the scene did not play out that way. Sansa made a spur of the moment decision to tell Tyrion right as he was leaving. It was in reaction to their conversation; it was not pre-planned. I disagree. I think it was a careful choice made by Sansa. She wants Jon on the Iron throne, and she, herself ruling the North. Except it didn;t have much to do with Jon being on the Iron Throne. She didn;t like or trust Dany from the beginning and while her move was shrewd, I haven't been able to figure out the "Why" of it all at the personal level. Dany has not done anything to her or the North that hasn't been beneficial to her and the North. Even Dany falling for Jon is a slam dunk for the North since there probably hasn't been a time the spouse's kingdom was in danger from the ruler. If she thinks that Dany is going to destroy the North or something silly like that then she is behaving irrationally. The move does not benefit Jon which is why I don't necessarily think it's about Jon. There is nothing about Jon that screams that he secretly wants the job or even would do well at the job. It can't be anything else but being about the North's independence, but I can't tell what exactly would change. I don't think she has a concrete plan and is just following Littlefinger's rule of "Chaos is a ladder"
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 10, 2019 10:57:34 GMT
What I was trying to say was that Sansa back then, had objections to Jon Snow bending the knee to Dany because she wants the North to be an independent kingdom. I don't think she cares that much if she sits on the Iron throne as long as the North is kept free. As Sansa herself basically explained to Dany in episode 2. Yes, but her now knowing that Jon is the rightful heir to the Iron throne means if he is King the North is guaranteed their independence, or won't even need it if Jon is ruling all 7 kingdoms. If Jon is tuling they still wouldn't be independent so nothing would change. Maybe she thinks Jon would simply get rid of the whole system.
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Post by Aj_June on May 10, 2019 10:58:21 GMT
I disagree. I think it was a careful choice made by Sansa. She wants Jon on the Iron throne, and she, herself ruling the North. Except it didn;t have much to do with Jon being on the Iron Throne. She didn;t like or trust Dany from the beginning and while her move was shrewd, I haven't been able to figure out the "Why" of it all at the personal level. Dany has not done anything to her or the North that hasn't been beneficial to her and the North. Even Dany falling for Jon is a slam dunk for the North since there probably hasn't been a time the spouse's kingdom was in danger from the ruler.If she thinks that Dany is going to destroy the North or something silly like that then she is behaving irrationally. The move does not benefit Jon which is why I don't necessarily think it's about Jon. There is nothing about Jon that screams that he secretly wants the job or even would do well at the job. It can't be anything else but being about the North's independence, but I can't tell what exactly would change. I don't think she has a concrete plan and is just following Littlefinger's rule of "Chaos is a ladder" She was also kvetching about Dany not being a help in the fight against the army of dead. Arya being an honest and objective person put the record straight by mentioning how Sansa was wrong.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 10, 2019 11:09:04 GMT
I disagree. I think it was a careful choice made by Sansa. She wants Jon on the Iron throne, and she, herself ruling the North. Except it didn;t have much to do with Jon being on the Iron Throne. She didn;t like or trust Dany from the beginning and while her move was shrewd, I haven't been able to figure out the "Why" of it all at the personal level. Dany has not done anything to her or the North that hasn't been beneficial to her and the North. Even Dany falling for Jon is a slam dunk for the North since there probably hasn't been a time the spouse's kingdom was in danger from the ruler. If she thinks that Dany is going to destroy the North or something silly like that then she is behaving irrationally. The move does not benefit Jon which is why I don't necessarily think it's about Jon. There is nothing about Jon that screams that he secretly wants the job or even would do well at the job. It can't be anything else but being about the North's independence, but I can't tell what exactly would change. I don't think she has a concrete plan and is just following Littlefinger's rule of "Chaos is a ladder" Daenerys is asking the North to side with her in a useless, personal war. This is reason enough for any sane Northerner to wish that someone else had the say on things. Unless Sansa has expressed this at some point, I suppose she is just following the rule of being written as the hate magnet for all the little idealistic fucks watching the show. Those who liked Ned Stark. That's why she was made not to tell about Littlefinger's possible help in S6. Secretive Sansa is the upcoming Cersei 2.0, the one the dumb scum will hate after all is said and done. The one who's right about everything in the face of honest cretins.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 10, 2019 11:16:01 GMT
Except it didn;t have much to do with Jon being on the Iron Throne. She didn;t like or trust Dany from the beginning and while her move was shrewd, I haven't been able to figure out the "Why" of it all at the personal level. Dany has not done anything to her or the North that hasn't been beneficial to her and the North. Even Dany falling for Jon is a slam dunk for the North since there probably hasn't been a time the spouse's kingdom was in danger from the ruler.If she thinks that Dany is going to destroy the North or something silly like that then she is behaving irrationally. The move does not benefit Jon which is why I don't necessarily think it's about Jon. There is nothing about Jon that screams that he secretly wants the job or even would do well at the job. It can't be anything else but being about the North's independence, but I can't tell what exactly would change. I don't think she has a concrete plan and is just following Littlefinger's rule of "Chaos is a ladder" She was also kvetching about Dany not being a help in the fight against the army of dead. Arya being an honest and objective person put the record straight by mentioning how Sansa was wrong.
That's my point. Sansa is thinking irrationally all the while people are getting upset with Dany for normal feelings. The strategy conversation in the last episode should have never happened except to point out that rest is needed. It doesn't need to be long. Soldiers should stay in a war frame of mind. But Sansa was flat out wanting to renege on a deal that was fair and balanced.
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Post by Morgana on May 10, 2019 12:42:49 GMT
I disagree. I think it was a careful choice made by Sansa. She wants Jon on the Iron throne, and she, herself ruling the North. Except it didn;t have much to do with Jon being on the Iron Throne. She didn;t like or trust Dany from the beginning and while her move was shrewd, I haven't been able to figure out the "Why" of it all at the personal level. Dany has not done anything to her or the North that hasn't been beneficial to her and the North. Even Dany falling for Jon is a slam dunk for the North since there probably hasn't been a time the spouse's kingdom was in danger from the ruler. If she thinks that Dany is going to destroy the North or something silly like that then she is behaving irrationally. The move does not benefit Jon which is why I don't necessarily think it's about Jon. There is nothing about Jon that screams that he secretly wants the job or even would do well at the job. It can't be anything else but being about the North's independence, but I can't tell what exactly would change. I don't think she has a concrete plan and is just following Littlefinger's rule of "Chaos is a ladder" You said she didn't like or trust Dany from the start, and that is my point. She wouldn't trust her to allow the North to be independent. Seeing Jon on the throne would, though to be honest I agree with you about Jon not wanting the throne. I do think Sansa is being very sly - she's changed.
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Post by Morgana on May 10, 2019 12:44:38 GMT
Yes, but her now knowing that Jon is the rightful heir to the Iron throne means if he is King the North is guaranteed their independence, or won't even need it if Jon is ruling all 7 kingdoms. If Jon is tuling they still wouldn't be independent so nothing would change. Maybe she thinks Jon would simply get rid of the whole system. Come on, she knows Jon would be a great ruler for the North.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 10, 2019 13:15:05 GMT
If Jon is tuling they still wouldn't be independent so nothing would change. Maybe she thinks Jon would simply get rid of the whole system. Come on, she knows Jon would be a great ruler for the North. Jon is a great figurehead. People like him just because they like him and he can give a speech. He knows how to make people feel good about dying in droves for his cause. But he’s not special except people insist he is which was made so plain by Tormund praising him for riding a dragon in front of Dany. If Jon ruled he would need some truly amazing advisors or marry Sansa/make her his Hand. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 10, 2019 13:17:55 GMT
Except it didn;t have much to do with Jon being on the Iron Throne. She didn;t like or trust Dany from the beginning and while her move was shrewd, I haven't been able to figure out the "Why" of it all at the personal level. Dany has not done anything to her or the North that hasn't been beneficial to her and the North. Even Dany falling for Jon is a slam dunk for the North since there probably hasn't been a time the spouse's kingdom was in danger from the ruler. If she thinks that Dany is going to destroy the North or something silly like that then she is behaving irrationally. The move does not benefit Jon which is why I don't necessarily think it's about Jon. There is nothing about Jon that screams that he secretly wants the job or even would do well at the job. It can't be anything else but being about the North's independence, but I can't tell what exactly would change. I don't think she has a concrete plan and is just following Littlefinger's rule of "Chaos is a ladder" You said she didn't like or trust Dany from the start, and that is my point. She wouldn't trust her to allow the North to be independent. Seeing Jon on the throne would, though to be honest I agree with you about Jon not wanting the throne. I do think Sansa is being very sly - she's changed. Again they haven’t explained what makes her more untrustworthy than anyone else in the realm prior to finding out about Jon. If any candidate for the Seven Kingdoms took over they would not give the North their independence. If Jon we’re ruler I’m not sure why he would do it unless he was never planning on helping them if they get in trouble. |
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on May 10, 2019 14:00:22 GMT
Because of willful ignorance. This isn't Jon's middle school crush she spilled, it's a major political checkmate against someone Sansa doesn't want in power. The show is literally called "GAME OF THRONES", not "Polite Kept Secrets of Thrones". Maybe Sansa should have stayed quiet, gone to Dany personally to discuss the situation, and gotten her head cut off like her dad. This. It’s glaringly obvious to the point where I can’t believe there’s a three-page thread about it. But on top of that, Sansa came right out and told Daenerys she doesn’t want the North to be subservient to her. I don’t know how much clearer it can be. i agree sansa played it smart ,and honestly i dont see anythign wrong with wanting jon on the throne she loves him and thinks of him a better ruler than dany and in a way she did it so he doesnt need to hide anymore who he really is ,dany is all about freeing slaves and freedom but yet wants to keep jon in chains , i do not understand that isnt enough that sansas father kept a secret for so long and resulted in so much pain so many members of her family were lost , she did the right thing and its my believe by end of the story it would will be for the best telling tyrion dany already has threatened sansa to jon even though sansa doesnt know about it , jon seems to want sansa to play by dany rules because he is fearful of what dany can do them,sansa is more political and uses her brain not dragons sometimes using your brain is better than burning cities to the ground you really dont need to burn cities to win game of thrones.
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