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Post by jon snow loves sansa on May 10, 2019 14:03:56 GMT
She has nothing to be worried about ,Gendry didn't know his father , Robert didn't raise him and gendry doesn't know much about Roberts rebellion he is harmless but yet he seems to be targeted and used as a pawn for his fathers acts first by stannis and now Dany What a pawn going from a bastard to Lord Paramount of the Stormlands. she pretty much confirmed it to tyrion that is what she was doing using gendry.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 10, 2019 14:05:21 GMT
What a pawn going from a bastard to Lord Paramount of the Stormlands. she pretty much confirmed it to tyrion that is what she was doing using gendry. The pawn was made a knight. Still a chess piece.
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Post by Marendil on May 10, 2019 14:31:28 GMT
What a pawn going from a bastard to Lord Paramount of the Stormlands. she pretty much confirmed it to tyrion that is what she was doing using gendry. He congratulated her on the wisdom and long-term benefit of her decision and she complimented him in return by indicating she still thought him clever.
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on May 10, 2019 14:44:27 GMT
she pretty much confirmed it to tyrion that is what she was doing using gendry. He congratulated her on the wisdom and long-term benefit of her decision and she complimented him in return by indicating she still thought him clever. it doesnt change the fact she did it to benefit her and keep gendry away from the throne she didnt do it from the goodness of her heart.
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Post by Marendil on May 10, 2019 14:56:28 GMT
He congratulated her on the wisdom and long-term benefit of her decision and she complimented him in return by indicating she still thought him clever. it doesnt change the fact she did it to benefit her and keep gendry away from the throne she didnt do it from the goodness of her heart.
She did it to reward a man who worked tirelessly to provide her army with weapons and who fought bravely against the Army of the Dead.
Legitimizing him is a piss-poor way of keeping him away from the throne, think that all the way through...It just so happens Gendry, through his great-grandmother Rhaelle Targaryen, is the closest thing she has to a family outside Jon. If she and Jon were to die without issue, Gendry would have the best blood claim as her successor.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 10, 2019 15:52:46 GMT
He congratulated her on the wisdom and long-term benefit of her decision and she complimented him in return by indicating she still thought him clever. it doesnt change the fact she did it to benefit her and keep gendry away from the throne she didnt do it from the goodness of her heart. it benefitted him though. |
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on May 10, 2019 16:49:17 GMT
it doesnt change the fact she did it to benefit her and keep gendry away from the throne she didnt do it from the goodness of her heart.
She did it to reward a man who worked tirelessly to provide her army with weapons and who fought bravely against the Army of the Dead.
Legitimizing him is a piss-poor way of keeping him away from the throne, think that all the way through...It just so happens Gendry, through his great-grandmother Rhaelle Targaryen, is the closest thing she has to a family outside Jon. If she and Jon were to die without issue, Gendry would have the best blood claim as her successor.
That is your own interpretation why she did it ,that is not why she did it , she told Tyrion why she did it and in that scene I posted you can clearly see that .Yes gendry is only other family she has left besides Jon but you know what? ? I don't think family means much to targaryens , she already told Jon to lie who he is, that is not what family does , stannis who has Targaryen blood captured gendry and used him for blood magic and would have executed him if it wasn't for Davos ,stannis burned his own little girl it has been shown over and over that targaryens don't care much about family but only power stannis was obsessed getting the throne and having people bend the knee just like Dany , are you going to deny that ?
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on May 10, 2019 16:58:50 GMT
it doesnt change the fact she did it to benefit her and keep gendry away from the throne she didnt do it from the goodness of her heart. it benefitted him though. Sure who wouldn't it benefit ?we are not debating if it benefit him or not we are debating Danys motives which I don't think we're so honorable as some of you think she only gave him lord status so he won't come after the throne poor gendry was more happy getting lord status so he can ask arya to marry him and got rejected
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 10, 2019 17:07:21 GMT
it benefitted him though. Sure who wouldn't it benefit ?we are not debating if it benefit him or not we are debating Danys motives which I don't think we're so honorable as some of you think she only gave him lord status so he won't come after the throne poor gendry was more happy getting lord status so he can ask arya to marry him and got rejected as far as I can tell you are the only one saying that someone is saying the act was purely altruistic. No one is making that claim. Instead normal people are saying the act was mutually beneficial. |
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on May 10, 2019 18:06:22 GMT
Sure who wouldn't it benefit ?we are not debating if it benefit him or not we are debating Danys motives which I don't think we're so honorable as some of you think she only gave him lord status so he won't come after the throne poor gendry was more happy getting lord status so he can ask arya to marry him and got rejected as far as I can tell you are the only one saying that someone is saying the act was purely altruistic. No one is making that claim. Instead normal people are saying the act was mutually beneficial. Oh I see so I'm not normal because I don't agree with your blindness to Danys manipulations? Nothing she offered gendry was because she has a good heart or wanted to see gendry lord she did it so gendry won't come after her one day she admitted it to her advisor who was sitting right next to her normal people can see it .
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Post by pk9 on May 10, 2019 18:25:37 GMT
it benefitted him though. Sure who wouldn't it benefit ?we are not debating if it benefit him or not we are debating Danys motives which I don't think we're so honorable as some of you think she only gave him lord status so he won't come after the throne poor gendry was more happy getting lord status so he can ask arya to marry him and got rejected I'm going to offer a third option to this debate, because I do not believe either of the discussed options is entirely accurate. (1) Dany didn't legitimize Gendry and make him Lord of Storm's End out of the goodness of her heart or to make him her heir. Her discussion with Tyrion clearly shows she was making a power move. (2) Dany also didn't legitimize Gendry and make him Lord of Storm's End in order to "keep him away from the throne" either. As a bastard, Gendry had no claim whatsoever, and neither did he have any aspirations of taking the throne. So this move wouldn't benefit Dany in that way. In my opinion, what Dany did was appoint someone to be Lord of Storm's End who would be grateful to her and thus would be loyal to her and support her claim to the throne. She believes Gendry will never press his newfound claim (which, btw, only exists if he - and the people - acknowledge her Queenship), but instead will be an ally as the Lord of a major house. So yes, it was done in her own self interest. But no, it wasn't done to remove Gendry as a competitor.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 10, 2019 18:27:38 GMT
as far as I can tell you are the only one saying that someone is saying the act was purely altruistic. No one is making that claim. Instead normal people are saying the act was mutually beneficial. Oh I see so I'm not normal because I don't agree with your blindness to Danys manipulations? Nothing she offered gendry was because she has a good heart or wanted to see gendry lord she did it so gendry won't come after her one day she admitted it to her advisor who was sitting right next to her normal people can see it . i think there is a strong case for you not being normal.😐 |
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 10, 2019 18:29:09 GMT
Sure who wouldn't it benefit ?we are not debating if it benefit him or not we are debating Danys motives which I don't think we're so honorable as some of you think she only gave him lord status so he won't come after the throne poor gendry was more happy getting lord status so he can ask arya to marry him and got rejected I'm going to offer a third option to this debate, because I do not believe either of the discussed options is entirely accurate. (1) Dany didn't legitimize Gendry and make him Lord of Storm's End out of the goodness of her heart or to make him her heir. Her discussion with Tyrion clearly shows she was making a power move. (2) Dany also didn't legitimize Gendry and make him Lord of Storm's End in order to "keep him away from the throne" either. As a bastard, Gendry had no claim whatsoever, and neither did he have any aspirations of taking the throne. So this move wouldn't benefit Dany in that way. In my opinion, what Dany did was appoint someone to be Lord of Storm's End who would be grateful to her and thus would be loyal to her and support her claim to the throne. She believes Gendry will never press his newfound claim (which, btw, only exists if he - and the people - acknowledge her Queenship), but instead will be an ally as the Lord of a major house. So yes, it was done in her own self interest. But no, it wasn't done to remove Gendry as a competitor. Yes, she was buying him. That's how you get allies. That's how she got Tyrion too: by listening to him.
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on May 10, 2019 18:45:44 GMT
Oh I see so I'm not normal because I don't agree with your blindness to Danys manipulations? Nothing she offered gendry was because she has a good heart or wanted to see gendry lord she did it so gendry won't come after her one day she admitted it to her advisor who was sitting right next to her normal people can see it . i think there is a strong case for you not being normal.😐  is that the best you can do? i won again you cant debate and i won ..
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on May 10, 2019 18:46:52 GMT
I'm going to offer a third option to this debate, because I do not believe either of the discussed options is entirely accurate. (1) Dany didn't legitimize Gendry and make him Lord of Storm's End out of the goodness of her heart or to make him her heir. Her discussion with Tyrion clearly shows she was making a power move. (2) Dany also didn't legitimize Gendry and make him Lord of Storm's End in order to "keep him away from the throne" either. As a bastard, Gendry had no claim whatsoever, and neither did he have any aspirations of taking the throne. So this move wouldn't benefit Dany in that way. In my opinion, what Dany did was appoint someone to be Lord of Storm's End who would be grateful to her and thus would be loyal to her and support her claim to the throne. She believes Gendry will never press his newfound claim (which, btw, only exists if he - and the people - acknowledge her Queenship), but instead will be an ally as the Lord of a major house. So yes, it was done in her own self interest. But no, it wasn't done to remove Gendry as a competitor. Yes, she was buying him. That's how you get allies. That's how she got Tyrion too: by listening to him. thank you Leo  remember how she initially wanted to kill tyrion?
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 10, 2019 18:51:32 GMT
i think there is a strong case for you not being normal.😐 is that the best you can do? i won again you cant debate and i won .. if I already beat your argument why would I still be arguing it? That would not be normal behavior. |
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on May 10, 2019 18:56:12 GMT
is that the best you can do? i won again you cant debate and i won .. if I already beat your argument why would I still be arguing it? That would not be normal behavior. only thing that got beat was you  by me 
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Post by Morgana on May 10, 2019 20:15:03 GMT
You said she didn't like or trust Dany from the start, and that is my point. She wouldn't trust her to allow the North to be independent. Seeing Jon on the throne would, though to be honest I agree with you about Jon not wanting the throne. I do think Sansa is being very sly - she's changed. Again they haven’t explained what makes her more untrustworthy than anyone else in the realm prior to finding out about Jon. If any candidate for the Seven Kingdoms took over they would not give the North their independence. If Jon we’re ruler I’m not sure why he would do it unless he was never planning on helping them if they get in trouble. Again I wasn't very clear. When I said Sansa wants Jon on the Iron throne I meant because they wouldn't really need to be independent because she would trust him enough to know he wouldn't do anything to harm the North. Regarding why they mistrust Dany, honestly I don't really understand it either. What makes even less sense is why they decided to make the last season so short. Perhaps if there were more episodes they could have cleared up a lot of things that people are getting upset about because they feel rushed or even to have come out of nowhere.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 10, 2019 21:14:20 GMT
Again they haven’t explained what makes her more untrustworthy than anyone else in the realm prior to finding out about Jon. If any candidate for the Seven Kingdoms took over they would not give the North their independence. If Jon we’re ruler I’m not sure why he would do it unless he was never planning on helping them if they get in trouble. Again I wasn't very clear. When I said Sansa wants Jon on the Iron throne I meant because they wouldn't really need to be independent because she would trust him enough to know he wouldn't do anything to harm the North. Regarding why they mistrust Dany, honestly I don't really understand it either. What makes even less sense is why they decided to make the last season so short. Perhaps if there were more episodes they could have cleared up a lot of things that people are getting upset about because they feel rushed or even to have come out of nowhere. i think it’s budget. Although the stories have been mediocre the past couple of seasons the production value is high and HBO is holding them to a budget. This season probably cost the same as a 10 episode season even with a bottle episode like episode 2. However any extra time could have been spent on dialogue which doesn’t cost a lot. For instance they could have spent 2 minutes with Sansa after she learned about Jon’s lineage. |
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Post by Marendil on May 10, 2019 22:16:07 GMT
She did it to reward a man who worked tirelessly to provide her army with weapons and who fought bravely against the Army of the Dead.
Legitimizing him is a piss-poor way of keeping him away from the throne, think that all the way through...It just so happens Gendry, through his great-grandmother Rhaelle Targaryen, is the closest thing she has to a family outside Jon. If she and Jon were to die without issue, Gendry would have the best blood claim as her successor.
That is your own interpretation why she did it ,that is not why she did it , she told Tyrion why she did it and in that scene I posted you can clearly see that .Yes gendry is only other family she has left besides Jon but you know what? ? I don't think family means much to targaryens , she already told Jon to lie who he is, that is not what family does , stannis who has Targaryen blood captured gendry and used him for blood magic and would have executed him if it wasn't for Davos ,stannis burned his own little girl it has been shown over and over that targaryens don't care much about family but only power stannis was obsessed getting the throne and having people bend the knee just like Dany , are you going to deny that ? I was going by the fact she announced it at the victory feast, a fitting venue for awards and recognition.
Why didn't she feed him to her dragons? They must have been hungry after the big battle!
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