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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2019 20:43:09 GMT
I'm going to have to go with status.
Status does lead to money and praise but that's not primarily why I'm interested in it. I'm a competitive person and while that's sometimes conflated with being adversarial, that's not the whole story-- it's more that you want to be the best or close to the best at something, even if it's cooperative. It's partially to prove to others that you're valuable and partially to prove the same thing to yourself. I think feeling valuable is important and sometimes you have to test that so you become valuable, just through practice.
So I think recognition is more likely to spur me on. Being recognized as competent and reliable is a fine reward.
Criticism is going to help a lot a long the way, of course, but if we're talking what mostly drives me towards a goal, it'd be the status.
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on May 10, 2019 20:56:46 GMT
I going to have to go with status. Status does lead to money and praise but that's not primarily why I'm interested in it. I'm a competitive person and while that's sometimes conflated with being adversarial, that's not the whole story-- it's more that you want to be the best or close to the best at something, even if it's cooperative. It's partially to prove to others that you're valuable and partially to prove the same thing to yourself. I think feeling valuable is important and sometimes you have to test that so you become valuable, just through practice. So I think recognition is more likely to spur me on. Being recognized as competent and reliable is a fine reward.
Criticism is going to help a lot a long the way, of course, but if we're talking what mostly drives me towards a goal, it'd be the status. Exactly.
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Post by Nora on May 10, 2019 21:49:21 GMT
Acknowledgement and statement of a job well-done. Simple, verbal, "hey, thanks for getting that project done so well and on time. I really appreciate your hard work." It doesn't cost a cent. Positive reinforcement. Where I used to work, the only positive reinforcement was the absence of negative reinforcement. It was a toxic workplace, and I finally quit after 11 years. It was sucking the life out of me. this.
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Post by Nora on May 10, 2019 21:56:38 GMT
I going to have to go with status. Status does lead to money and praise but that's not primarily why I'm interested in it. I'm a competitive person and while that's sometimes conflated with being adversarial, that's not the whole story-- it's more that you want to be the best or close to the best at something, even if it's cooperative. It's partially to prove to others that you're valuable and partially to prove the same thing to yourself. I think feeling valuable is important and sometimes you have to test that so you become valuable, just through practice. So I think recognition is more likely to spur me on. Being recognized as competent and reliable is a fine reward. Criticism is going to help a lot a long the way, of course, but if we're talking what mostly drives me towards a goal, it'd be the status. yeah I know what you mean. I used to think I didnt care about status at all but them when i had none for a while I realized its not all tru. Now I know its not my strongest accelerator but its up there. The one thing that does not work on me at all is criticism, I mean it is a corrective mechanism and works as such but certainly does not accelerate my output. But I know one person for whom it is number one. Everybody is different.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2019 12:30:24 GMT
I was the only one who voted criticism.
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Post by Nora on May 11, 2019 12:57:05 GMT
I was the only one who voted criticism. My friend is the same. She thrives on criticism. If someone criticises her she will think somethinng like “ill show you”. And will do even better. Is that your case too?
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2019 15:14:47 GMT
I was the only one who voted criticism. My friend is the same. She thrives on criticism. If someone criticises her she will think somethinng like “ill show you”. And will do even better. Is that your case too? ummm sorta. And it's not so much criticism as it is pressure. But lately ivan been crumbling under pressure too so I ahvent been motivated at all.
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Post by Nora on May 11, 2019 16:11:37 GMT
My friend is the same. She thrives on criticism. If someone criticises her she will think somethinng like “ill show you”. And will do even better. Is that your case too? ummm sorta. And it's not so much criticism as it is pressure. But lately ivan been crumbling under pressure too so I ahvent been motivated at all. pressure works on me in a way that i do whats needed, but not that i do it well i found out. i like to have my work finished before deadlines and then have time to look it over again with some time having passed.
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Post by dirtypillows on May 11, 2019 18:37:39 GMT
Progress of what? Do you mean, "What motivates you at work?" Because if that's the question, then the answer is nothing. But there are things in life that I find motivational. are you saying that if at work you experienced 1. getting a raise or 2. being publicly praised or 3. getting a VP/Chief of sometning title or 4. being critisized none of it would have ANY effect on you/your work whatsoever? I find it hard to believe, honestly. It may not work wonders on you but it certainly has some effect. Maybe it has the opposite effect and you actually start to slack more. Which one would then have the least impacr and work from there in. even if the effect is small, Which one would have the biggest positive effect on you is what I am asking (or the least negative). Yes think about work for now. I felt kind of guilty when I picked status, but it came the closest to how I felt. It sounds super snobby, but for me, and I am sure others, it is the sense of moving upwards that generates momentum. But the other thing that wasn't on your list was a sense of internal satisfaction, like taking pride in your work and knowing that you have done a good job. Also, actual enjoyment of what one is doing is motivating. Criticism is iffy; if it is constructive criticism, then I usually welcome that. If it is meaningless and rude, then it makes me do worse.
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Post by Nora on May 11, 2019 18:57:45 GMT
are you saying that if at work you experienced 1. getting a raise or 2. being publicly praised or 3. getting a VP/Chief of sometning title or 4. being critisized none of it would have ANY effect on you/your work whatsoever? I find it hard to believe, honestly. It may not work wonders on you but it certainly has some effect. Maybe it has the opposite effect and you actually start to slack more. Which one would then have the least impacr and work from there in. even if the effect is small, Which one would have the biggest positive effect on you is what I am asking (or the least negative). Yes think about work for now. I felt kind of guilty when I picked status, but it came the closest to how I felt. It sounds super snobby, but for me, and I am sure others, it is the sense of moving upwards that generates momentum. But the other thing that wasn't on your list was a sense of internal satisfaction, like taking pride in your work and knowing that you have done a good job. Also, actual enjoyment of what one is doing is motivating. Criticism is iffy; if it is constructive criticism, then I usually welcome that. If it is meaningless and rude, then it makes me do worse. internal satisfaction is usually not the primary accelerator. its actually tied to the accelerators though and through them it can substantively grow. dont feel guilty for picking status (or any of those choices really there is NO bad one, its just how people are wired and people are different.) Plus status is the usual one for men to pick (even over money), for women its often praise (also over money). Yeah, people who thrive off of criticism more than from money, status or praise actually form the smallest group. But they do exist. And the acccelerators and knowing who has which one as the dominant one actually has a good use even outside of work. Take personal relationship or neighborhood quarels. If you knew which one works on your neighbor to stop playing loud music at night or clean up their yard, would you use it? Same with a partner. Its like how people best understand affection. there is also four main types of how people express affection. Which one is t he most important for you to experience in a relationship from your partner? 1. words (I love you, I need you, you are the best, I miss you, I want you, you are my soulmate etc) 2. gifts (bringing flowers, candy, buying someone a tie or underwear, or their favorite book or buying them a movie ticket and paying for their dinnersor bigger, like jewelry or cars) 3. physical contact (hugging, touching, making out, hand holding, having sex etc) 4. attention/service (listening to their stories, understanding their needs, spending a lot of time with them, doing them favors etc. Often problems in relationships can be solved or improved if you just understand which ones of these 4 your partners best understands/uses. Its not about which one is the only one person uses, but the one that they need and understand the most as sign of affection. A man can be buying a woman expensive gifts and have a lot of sex with her but if she needs words and attention she is not going to understand its may be his way of showing affection. (it may not, but it may and in his head he is communicating affection to her). Same with the accelerators. I love reading about these things, as everybody is so different and uses different ways to communicate their needs and feelings, and misalignment is so easy, so I try to understand more about how people work.
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Post by Nora on May 11, 2019 19:03:56 GMT
are you saying that if at work you experienced 1. getting a raise or 2. being publicly praised or 3. getting a VP/Chief of sometning title or 4. being critisized none of it would have ANY effect on you/your work whatsoever? I find it hard to believe, honestly. It may not work wonders on you but it certainly has some effect. Maybe it has the opposite effect and you actually start to slack more. Which one would then have the least impacr and work from there in. even if the effect is small, Which one would have the biggest positive effect on you is what I am asking (or the least negative). Yes think about work for now. You'll have to forgive me, but the question is triggering me lol. I detest my job and hate my boss. I couldn't care less if someone told me I was doing a good job. I live comfortably. I don't need more money. I need a job that doesn't make me want to jump off a bridge. And the absolute last thing I would ever care about is status. I just want to come in, do my job, not be bothered, go home, and try not to think about tomorrow. sorry to hear you hate your job and your boss. if you live comfortably and dont need more money, why not look for another job, one that you dont hate?? Also, you may not need more money and not care what others think of you, but are you really saying that all of those four factors have the exact same (even if null) effect on you and your performance? if your boss praised you for your work, wouldnt that have any effect on you? Same if someone critisized you at work, would that really have no impact on you? The question is not about how much of those things you need, but which ones has the biggest effect on you, even if the end effect is small, I doubt all 4 have the exact same effect on people, if presented to them. Or lets say it would be very unique. And dont think just about your job. These accelerators are applicable in life outside of your work too. There are things that will motivate us more and things that motivate us less. Thing about when you were a kid and your parents wanted you to do some house chore or get better grades. What got you to do it the fastest? If they offered money/gift for doing it, if they praised you for being a good kid/son and rewarded you with positive attention, if they labeled you as the good kid and told others how proud they were of you or put a metal you won on the family fall of pride, or if they criticized you for being a slacker and making their lives harder? Imagine they did all of these things, do you really think they would have the exact same effect on you?
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Post by mecano04 on May 11, 2019 22:07:33 GMT
I'll go with Bartlesby response and recognition.
It's about knowing that it mattered, no matter how big or small my part was, that I did what was needed (at least if not more) and it had an impact. In a way it would be similar to that story or saying that we hear every now and then where people say "Nobody notices what I do until I don't do it". It's partly bullshit but the idea is still to be considered reliable and that when it matters, I deliver what is required.
I don't need prizes or titles but acknowledgement could be another word to describe it.
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Post by Nora on May 12, 2019 0:22:37 GMT
yeah and which one those four factors causes the biggest happiness if experienced? ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by Nora on May 12, 2019 1:32:12 GMT
yeah and which one those four factors causes the biggest happiness if experienced? ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) Well, it is difficult to say, because each situation could be different. And I am not sure if criticism makes one happy, unless it is something constructive to help one improve on something.
It is always nice to have money, but like they say, money doesn't always make one happy, praise is nice too, but it needs to be taken humbly and not get a swelled head over it and I have never been big on status, so that would perhaps be the least. Although my ego mindset does like to play games of delusions of grandeur at times.
for me its fairly easy to establish the order. i agree each situation may be diff but over the course of my life i already know myself enough to know what works on me the best ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) .
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Post by theravenking on May 12, 2019 12:33:55 GMT
I voted for money, but what I think is even more important to me is having a harmonious working environment and being treated fairly.
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Post by Nora on May 12, 2019 12:52:18 GMT
I voted for money, but what I think is even more important to me is having a harmonious working environment and being treated fairly. yeah that can be part of it with any of those accelerators.
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Post by hi224 on May 12, 2019 22:01:04 GMT
none?.
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Post by Nora on May 12, 2019 22:22:30 GMT
that for sure is not true. if you receive financial rewad, praise, public recognition, or criticism, no way all of these have the exact same effect on you. some will impact you less (positively or negatively) and maybe it will be closely related but no way all of these factors have the exact same effect on you. think harder. it doesnt have to be work related only. school, relationships, whatever. we each respond to certain things more and certain things less. which one do you respond the MOST to (positively or negatively) is the question.
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Post by hi224 on May 12, 2019 22:24:10 GMT
that for sure is not true. if you receive financial rewad, praise, public recognition, or criticism, no way all of these have the exact same effect on you. some will impact you less (positively or negatively) and maybe it will be closely related but no way all of these factors have the exact same effect on you. think harder. it doesnt have to be work related only. school, relationships, whatever. we each respond to certain things more and certain things less. which one do you respond the MOST to (positively or negatively) is the question. right but financials don't do much for me as im never driven by wealth. praise makes me feel like i really don't deserve anything. criticism hasn't had a profound appeal on me at all, especially if it isn't very helpful, and recognition makes me nervous.
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Post by Nora on May 12, 2019 22:27:45 GMT
that for sure is not true. if you receive financial rewad, praise, public recognition, or criticism, no way all of these have the exact same effect on you. some will impact you less (positively or negatively) and maybe it will be closely related but no way all of these factors have the exact same effect on you. think harder. it doesnt have to be work related only. school, relationships, whatever. we each respond to certain things more and certain things less. which one do you respond the MOST to (positively or negatively) is the question. right but financials don't do much for me as im never driven by wealth. praise makes me feel like i really don't deserve anything. criticism hasn't had a profound appeal on me at all, especially if it isn't very helpful, and recognition makes me nervous. I get it, really, all of these may make you feel bad or not have much effect, BUT they dont have the same impact. from what you are describing it looks like money has the least bad effect on you thus may serve as the biggest accelerator UNLESS feeling nervous or like you dont deserve anything etc makes you work harder/improve? Also learning to accept praise/compliments may be a really effective first step in feeling better overall. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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