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Post by Winston Wolfe on May 20, 2019 5:01:26 GMT
Fare thee well, Game of Thrones...
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Post by lordarvidthexiii on May 20, 2019 5:15:16 GMT
Here is another issue, why didn't Sansa bribe the Night's watch?
In the book, Robb was going to offer them 1,000 men to release John from his vows, and given the watch only had about 300 survivors at that time, they would have to take it.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2019 6:12:19 GMT
Many people (including me) were disappointed after The Long Night about the whole "magical Bran" thing not leading up to much. The fact that he knew this whole time he was going to be king mostly rectifies that IMO. That's a big reason why I liked the ending so much. Bran's entire quest which seemed like it was never going to resolve itself finally did.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2019 6:37:12 GMT
Here is another issue, why didn't Sansa bribe the Night's watch? In the book, Robb was going to offer them 1,000 men to release John from his vows, and given the watch only had about 300 survivors at that time, they would have to take it. Maybe she did. They let him leave to go live with the free folk. I think the idea is that Jon is now where he belongs with the people who get him. He'll marry his real-wife's character's twin sister or something.
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Post by lordarvidthexiii on May 20, 2019 6:42:17 GMT
Here is another issue, why didn't Sansa bribe the Night's watch? In the book, Robb was going to offer them 1,000 men to release John from his vows, and given the watch only had about 300 survivors at that time, they would have to take it. Maybe she did. They let him leave to go live with the free folk. I think the idea is that Jon is now where he belongs with the people who get him. He'll marry his real-wife's character's twin sister or something. I would have rather have him marry Sansa. Or restore House Targaian (sp)
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Post by lordarvidthexiii on May 20, 2019 6:44:02 GMT
Many people (including me) were disappointed after The Long Night about the whole "magical Bran" thing not leading up to much. The fact that he knew this whole time he was going to be king mostly rectifies that IMO. That's a big reason why I liked the ending so much. Bran's entire quest which seemed like it was never going to resolve itself finally did. Why didn't the Night King just lay siege? His forces don't need to eat. Or sleep. Let the defending army starve for awhile before attacking.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2019 6:46:05 GMT
I never liked how all of sudden Bran became all seeing. It is too fantastic a power. Why didn't a previous Three Eye Raven take power? If the Children had this power, how did they ever get wiped out? Also, the king is a Stark but the North isn't under him?Nailed it. That's the million dollar question. There's nothing weird about that at all. History is filled with such examples. Charlamagne's sons ruled different countries in Europe. Genghis Khan's sons did the same.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2019 6:47:00 GMT
Maybe she did. They let him leave to go live with the free folk. I think the idea is that Jon is now where he belongs with the people who get him. He'll marry his real-wife's character's twin sister or something. I would have rather have him marry Sansa. Or restore House Targaian (sp) Why? House Targyrian was a force of evil.
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Post by lordarvidthexiii on May 20, 2019 6:54:05 GMT
Nailed it. That's the million dollar question. There's nothing weird about that at all. History is filled with such examples. Charlamagne's sons ruled different countries in Europe. Genghis Khan's sons did the same. Except, that was done when rulers would divide their kingdom among their children, but what we have in GoT is primogeniture, where the eldest/chosen heir gets it all.
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Post by lordarvidthexiii on May 20, 2019 6:55:25 GMT
I would have rather have him marry Sansa. Or restore House Targaian (sp) Why? House Targyrian was a force of evil. Not really, they were conquers but that also stopped a lot of infighting in Westros, and ultimately brought a lot of peace.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2019 7:00:43 GMT
Many people (including me) were disappointed after The Long Night about the whole "magical Bran" thing not leading up to much. The fact that he knew this whole time he was going to be king mostly rectifies that IMO. That's a big reason why I liked the ending so much. Bran's entire quest which seemed like it was never going to resolve itself finally did. Why didn't the Night King just lay siege? His forces don't need to eat. Or sleep. Let the defending army starve for awhile before attacking. Because he wanted to kill Bran. That was the entire reason he attacked Winterfell in the first place. I mean he's a magical creature we know little about. Trying to rationalize his decisions is a stretch. Far worse were the decisions the humans made, like having the Unsullied positioned outside the moat. I really don't have any problem with anything about this show's latter seasons TBH except The Bells which had a ton of really stupid little things in it. The reason the show became less fun for people at the end isn't because it stopped following the books (GRRM told HBO how it's supposed to end ages ago). The problem is because the first 5 seasons kept opening up new threads of intrigue, character arcs, and discovering new characters and locations. The endgame, by definition, is about warping up those threads and reducing the number of characters we're following. The end physically can not be the same show people grew to love. That's why it's the end. No concluding season could ever make people feel the way they did about the show before. Nobody says their vacation sucked because the flight home wasn't as fun as lying on a beach. The flight home was simply a necessary part of the trip.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2019 7:12:45 GMT
There's nothing weird about that at all. History is filled with such examples. Charlamagne's sons ruled different countries in Europe. Genghis Khan's sons did the same. Except, that was done when rulers would divide their kingdom among their children, but what we have in GoT is primogeniture, where the eldest/chosen heir gets it all. No, they changed that, remember? The people with all the power decided to do things differently for the 6 kingdoms. As far as Sansa being Queen of the North, you're going to have to elaborate on why that doesn't make sense, because it reality it makes all the sense in the world. She'd been de facto ruler already, she's the eldest Stark, and the oldest male Stark is the one who granted the whole thing in the first place. Sure if Bran wanted to he could claim that shit but we all know he wouldnt do that.
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Post by CynicalDreamer2 on May 20, 2019 7:13:07 GMT
Why didn't the Night King just lay siege? His forces don't need to eat. Or sleep. Let the defending army starve for awhile before attacking. Because he wanted to kill Bran. That was the entire reason he attacked Winterfell in the first place. I mean he's a magical creature we know little about. Trying to rationalize his decisions is a stretch. Far worse were the decisions the humans made, like having the Unsullied positioned outside the moat. I really don't have any problem with anything about this show's latter seasons TBH except The Bells which had a ton of really stupid little things in it. The reason the show became less fun for people at the end isn't because it stopped following the books (GRRM told HBO how it's supposed to end ages ago). The problem is because the first 5 seasons kept opening up new threads of intrigue, character arcs, and discovering new characters and locations. The endgame, by definition, is about warping up those threads and reducing the number of characters we're following. The end physically can not be the same show people grew to love. That's why it's the end. No concluding season could ever make people feel the way they did about the show before. Nobody says their vacation sucked because the flight home wasn't as fun as lying on a beach. The flight home was simply a necessary part of the trip. GRRM did the same thing in the books and it was just as annoying which is why I stopped reading them.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2019 7:18:24 GMT
Why? House Targyrian was a force of evil. Not really, they were conquers but that also stopped a lot of infighting in Westros, and ultimately brought a lot of peace. It brought a family that ruled with terror and were often mentally ill from inbreeding, which brought the rebellion and all the war and death we saw the entire show. Now the three-eyed raven, a non-human entity, is in charge and things will be vastly better. It's sort of like a benevolent AI running things.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2019 8:06:06 GMT
Here is another issue, why didn't Sansa bribe the Night's watch? In the book, Robb was going to offer them 1,000 men to release John from his vows, and given the watch only had about 300 survivors at that time, they would have to take it. Maybe she did. They let him leave to go live with the free folk. I think the idea is that Jon is now where he belongs with the people who get him. He'll marry his real-wife's character's twin sister or something. I really liked the last shot of John and the free folk disappearing into the forest. Looks like John is taking the role of Mance Rayder, who he respected a great deal, as leader of the free folk.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 20, 2019 11:09:46 GMT
Many people (including me) were disappointed after The Long Night about the whole "magical Bran" thing not leading up to much. The fact that he knew this whole time he was going to be king mostly rectifies that IMO. That's a big reason why I liked the ending so much. Bran's entire quest which seemed like it was never going to resolve itself finally did. Why didn't the Night King just lay siege? His forces don't need to eat. Or sleep. Let the defending army starve for awhile before attacking. This argument makes no sense. Why would he or anyone ever need to siege something that can easily destroy? His forces don't eat or sleep, can attack in the middle of the night, and kill everyone there in an hour and yet it makes more sense for zombies to sit and chill while Winterfell starves to death. makes no sense
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 20, 2019 11:19:07 GMT
The finale itself?
I didn't care for it overall. It was as fast as most of the episodes and most of the dialogue this time around was nothing special.
Them turning Dany into Hitler (In before "Derp! There were always signs of that! Derp!") in the space of an episode was so horribly done her death was worthless and changed the entire flow of the show.
Jon being a Targaryen was always a horrible plotline but since they focused so much on it, it was disappointing that they couldn't even figure out how to wrap that up.
The positives are it looked as good as the other episodes and this was particularly paced. It also provided closure for a lot of the characters although some of them made no sense.
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Post by shadyvsesham on May 20, 2019 14:02:59 GMT
Ok, I had to rewatch it....wtf was it!?
Jon Snow is the prince that was promised....Jon Snow is Aegon T....what did it mean? Jack $hit, it meant nothing. The one good morally good character, who if he wanted to rule or not, would have been supreme ruler. I get this show wants to go different, but make it make god damn sense. What did his storyline even mean? IDK, maybe someone can explain how the Aegon story got wrapped up and how he is the prince that was promised. Prince of the freefolk? TF....
Bran is king....BRAN....boring ass blank stare Bran! Sansa and Bran, the 2 I didnt care if they live or die, end up king and ruler of the north? Sorry, Sansa to me is basically Cersei light. "Keep a secret..." HEY TYRION....
Arya meant nothing here. What is her plot, to discover America?
Danny did all this not to be her father.....to be rushed and be her father. They sold us (Again I dont write this BS) Jon and Dany, greatest love story ever, true love. Only for, boom, goes nuts, kills city, died within the first few minutes.
What about the dragon, Im sure a dragon roaming around is fine.
Only sympathy I got is for a fn dragon.
All these prophecies meant nothing. Im baffled how bad this went. If this is GRRM plan for the books, dear god he better write it better because it isnt logical.
I leave with,"Bran....I cant be lord of anything..."
"SURE ILL BE KING."
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Post by Nightman on May 20, 2019 14:41:14 GMT
Ok, I had to rewatch it....wtf was it!? Jon Snow is the prince that was promised....Jon Snow is Aegon T....what did it mean? Jack $hit, it meant nothing. The one good morally good character, who if he wanted to rule or not, would have been supreme ruler. I get this show wants to go different, but make it make god damn sense. What did his storyline even mean? IDK, maybe someone can explain how the Aegon story got wrapped up and how he is the prince that was promised. Prince of the freefolk? TF.... Bran is king....BRAN....boring ass blank stare Bran! Sansa and Bran, the 2 I didnt care if they live or die, end up king and ruler of the north? Sorry, Sansa to me is basically Cersei light. "Keep a secret..." HEY TYRION.... Arya meant nothing here. What is her plot, to discover America? Danny did all this not to be her father.....to be rushed and be her father. They sold us (Again I dont write this BS) Jon and Dany, greatest love story ever, true love. Only for, boom, goes nuts, kills city, died within the first few minutes. What about the dragon, Im sure a dragon roaming around is fine. Only sympathy I got is for a fn dragon. All these prophecies meant nothing. Im baffled how bad this went. If this is GRRM plan for the books, dear god he better write it better because it isnt logical. I leave with,"Bran....I cant be lord of anything..." "SURE ILL BE KING." The show just wanted to merge Jon and Aegon's storylines from the books, and failed. It isn't that surprising he would choose to live amongst the wildlings, he always liked them more than anyone else. Bran being king makes sense in the books because it will be Bloodraven controlling his body. The show could not have handled that worse and mayhaps should have changed it. A Targaryen ruling the realm while possessing a Stark's body amuses me to no end, so I'm not complaining. Sansa bratted her way to being queen. That was stupid, yes. Drogon took Dany to the Shadow/Asshai, nothing else makes sense. Somebody will resurrect her. He lost his brothers and mother, that was sad. But he isn't the only dragon, he will find others in the east, so he won't be lonely for long. Yeah, he managed to give the best performance of the night.
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Post by papamihel on May 20, 2019 15:00:49 GMT
Howe can I put it... It could have been worse.
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