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Post by clusium on May 24, 2019 20:15:15 GMT
I never said that I was going to take up a career in missionary or proselytizing work. This discussion all came about because this topic was a non-sequitur, as Jesus Is God, in Christianity. So what, if there are a few Christian sects that reject the Trinity. All religions have their fair share of sects that go against the mainstream belief of the particular religion. Unsurprisingly, irony is lost on you. I find that to be a common trait amongst the faithful. I notice, again with no surprise, that you still haven't even made a cursory attempt to answer the question, because--of course--you have no answer. I did answer your question. You asked why should there be differing interpretations among the different sects? Because ALL religions have their share of sects which have their different interpretations, no matter how clear the religion or scripture's teachings are.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2019 20:31:17 GMT
I should have added: Uncircumcised dicks smell and taste like rotten shellfish, not that there's anything wrong with that. Why are you putting an unwashed dick into your mouth gamey? Any homo that has no self-awareness about his own hygiene, does not deserve to get it on with anybody. Well yeah... basic rule, if you're gonna have sex, have a wash.
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Post by goz on May 24, 2019 21:44:43 GMT
My opinion is that there are. Others clearly differ IF you have read this interesting and edifying thread.What, about my dissertation on posing questions (possibly contentious) on this message board don't you understand? To answer your question, I would say that IF there were problems with the concept of the 'trinity' this thread is a good place to discuss it. My opinion is that there are. Others on this thread do not, and have tried to state their positions. What is the problem here? Your dissertation reminds me of answers giving by politicians at press conferences, where they deflect and talk around a subject without ever answering the question posed. Perhaps you should go into politics as you seem adept at their methods to avoid answering a simple question, while at the same time hypocritically criticizing others for taking the same approach you are taking (CoolJGS in that other thread you started).
Once again you have not answered my question, which only requires "yes" or "no".... I guess you never intend to do so.
You are completely missing the point. I don't post like Heeeey does ie making a controversial statement of MY beliefs and challenging others to either agree with me or fuck off! I bring up topics for discussion. Sometimes, due to my posting history others will think that they know my opinion, however it is MY contention that everyone else's opinion is just as valid as mine and the topic merits discussion by ALL and all are welcome. So, the answer to your simple question is 'no'. 'Yes' I think the concept of a Holy Trinity is confusing and probably not helpful to an understanding of Christianity, butt as I said, that is just my opinion. As you can see above, others differ wildly. Sometime people actually forget the point of a 'discussion' board. ie discussion and not a 'Soapbox'.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on May 24, 2019 22:00:04 GMT
Your dissertation reminds me of answers giving by politicians at press conferences, where they deflect and talk around a subject without ever answering the question posed. Perhaps you should go into politics as you seem adept at their methods to avoid answering a simple question, while at the same time hypocritically criticizing others for taking the same approach you are taking (CoolJGS in that other thread you started).
Once again you have not answered my question, which only requires "yes" or "no".... I guess you never intend to do so.
You are completely missing the point. 'Yes' I think the concept of a Holy Trinity is confusing You are not alone. As I have said before the notion of God as the Trinity, with all the obscurity and contradiction it involves, is exactly the sort of thing one to be expected when the supposed nature of Jehovah had been decided by a committee.
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Post by amyghost on May 24, 2019 22:22:54 GMT
Unsurprisingly, irony is lost on you. I find that to be a common trait amongst the faithful. I notice, again with no surprise, that you still haven't even made a cursory attempt to answer the question, because--of course--you have no answer. I did answer your question. You asked why should there be differing interpretations among the different sects? Because ALL religions have their share of sects which have their different interpretations, no matter how clear the religion or scripture's teachings are. And the gist of that question lay in the observation that if the bible is as clear about the unmistakable nature of Jesus as Xtians claim it is, there should be no need for varying interpretations. You still haven't addressed that, and I certainly have no expectation that you will, except for posting another paragraph of argle-bargle. Point out to me where scripture is so plain on this. If you can, you'll have succeeded in doing something that centuries' worth of scholars and thinkers have been unable to do.
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Post by goz on May 24, 2019 22:42:47 GMT
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Post by clusium on May 24, 2019 22:43:55 GMT
No. YOU are making a fool out of yourself, if believe that Jesus does not exist. Yes, He Does. Where is he? Everywhere.
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Post by clusium on May 24, 2019 22:44:59 GMT
No, I never proselytize. In fact, I don't even proselytize online. I like to talk about religion, yes. But, I don't expect anybody to convert, for exactly the same reasons I don't expect anybody to convert me to their own religion or religious views. So why are you telling others that Jesus does exist? You're the one who said first, that Jesus Doesn't Exist. Not I.
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Post by clusium on May 24, 2019 22:45:43 GMT
I did answer your question. You asked why should there be differing interpretations among the different sects? Because ALL religions have their share of sects which have their different interpretations, no matter how clear the religion or scripture's teachings are.What are they clear on, the different interpretations, or that religion is real? The religion is.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on May 24, 2019 22:46:27 GMT
Then let Him show himself to all of us, without doubt or qualification, and thus ensure many more souls are saved.
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Post by clusium on May 24, 2019 22:54:08 GMT
I did answer your question. You asked why should there be differing interpretations among the different sects? Because ALL religions have their share of sects which have their different interpretations, no matter how clear the religion or scripture's teachings are. And the gist of that question lay in the observation that if the bible is as clear about the unmistakable nature of Jesus as Xtians claim it is, there should be no need for varying interpretations. You still haven't addressed that, and I certainly have no expectation that you will, except for posting another paragraph of argle-bargle. Point out to me where scripture is so plain on this. If you can, you'll have succeeded in doing something that centuries' worth of scholars and thinkers have been unable to do. I did address it. You just won't accept my answer. Why are there sects in ALL religions, when the religion's scriptures are clear on what the religion teaches? Please allow me to remind that I am Catholic, which is one of the ORIGINAL Christian denominations, alongside Orthodoxy. It wasn't until Martin Luther edited the Bible, & said that it should be open to all, that different Protestant & post-protestant sects came along, including ones that denied the Triune Nature Of God.
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Post by clusium on May 24, 2019 22:54:45 GMT
Then let Him show himself to all of us, without doubt or qualification, and thus ensure many more souls are saved. All you have to do is, go into any Catholic or Orthodox Church. He Is Present in the Blessed Sacrament in all of them.
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Post by clusium on May 24, 2019 23:18:19 GMT
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Post by FilmFlaneur on May 24, 2019 23:23:59 GMT
Then let Him show himself to all of us, without doubt or qualification, and thus ensure many more souls are saved. All you have to do is, go into any Catholic or Orthodox Church. He Is Present in the Blessed Sacrament in all of them. I said without qualification. Having to nip into a specific church to get JC seems to qualify the idea previously expressed that your Saviour is 'everywhere'. For those interested in this line of argument, Google Flew's classic 'Death by a 1,000 qualifications'': it is when an atheist points out evidence to show statements aren't true, a theist "qualifies" the statement by adding modifications. The more qualities added, the more likely it is that the atheist is right i.e. for a statement to have meaning, it must stand firm without further justification.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on May 24, 2019 23:26:13 GMT
There is a danger here of confusing the reality of something with its truth, but I am sure you would not do that.
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Post by clusium on May 25, 2019 0:25:58 GMT
On what the religion is all about.
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Post by clusium on May 25, 2019 0:28:37 GMT
No, I never proselytize. In fact, I don't even proselytize online. I like to talk about religion, yes. But, I don't expect anybody to convert, for exactly the same reasons I don't expect anybody to convert me to their own religion or religious views. You are passively proselytizing by even claiming that your religion exists, so you are lying. Your church deals in lies and it has brainwashed and conditioned you to do the same. Going by that argument, do atheists passively proselytize, by saying that God does not exist or that religions are wrong? This is a Religion Message Board, hence it is all about talking about the religions people believe in.
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Post by clusium on May 25, 2019 3:40:22 GMT
Going by that argument, do atheists passively proselytize, by saying that God does not exist or that religions are wrong? This is a Religion Message Board, hence it is all about talking about the religions people believe in. That is not the point of the discussion and no-one is saying you can't talk about the religion you believe in, but if you are going to espouse your beliefs and they get challenged by those with more common sense and logic than you possess, don't expect others to not question your delusion.
You are not preaching to the converted, if that is what you think this message board should be about, just so you can hear others endorse your lunacy.
Yes, it is the point of the discussion. This is a Religion message board, hence, we are all here to espouse our religious beliefs or lack of them. Yes, I realize **RELIGION** doesn't specifically refer to Catholicism, or even Christianity. It means everything from Christianity to Shinto. So, people who are into this kind of discussion can come here to post about it. I do not go to the Politics Message Forum. Why do you ask? Because I am not into politics. Religion is my interest, hence I come here.
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Post by goz on May 25, 2019 4:26:51 GMT
And the gist of that question lay in the observation that if the bible is as clear about the unmistakable nature of Jesus as Xtians claim it is, there should be no need for varying interpretations. You still haven't addressed that, and I certainly have no expectation that you will, except for posting another paragraph of argle-bargle. Point out to me where scripture is so plain on this. If you can, you'll have succeeded in doing something that centuries' worth of scholars and thinkers have been unable to do. I did address it. You just won't accept my answer. Why are there sects in ALL religions, when the religion's scriptures are clear on what the religion teaches? Please allow me to remind that I am Catholic, which is one of the ORIGINAL Christian denominations, alongside Orthodoxy. It wasn't until Martin Luther edited the Bible, & said that it should be open to all, that different Protestant & post-protestant sects came along, including ones that denied the Triune Nature Of God. The answer to this question is so wonderfully and breathtakingly simple. ...because ALL religions are the fabrications of man, nay 'different' men so that their take on what should be an obvious path on which to travel, were religion and god 'REAL". Since there is no incontrovertible evidence, there are as many opinions as denominations and religions and they can't ALL be 'REAL'. It is naïve in the extreme ( and somewhat arrogant) to believe that yours is the ONLY REAL GOD and religion...ieChristianity/ Catholicism.
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Post by amyghost on May 25, 2019 10:21:14 GMT
And the gist of that question lay in the observation that if the bible is as clear about the unmistakable nature of Jesus as Xtians claim it is, there should be no need for varying interpretations. You still haven't addressed that, and I certainly have no expectation that you will, except for posting another paragraph of argle-bargle. Point out to me where scripture is so plain on this. If you can, you'll have succeeded in doing something that centuries' worth of scholars and thinkers have been unable to do. I did address it. You just won't accept my answer. Why are there sects in ALL religions, when the religion's scriptures are clear on what the religion teaches? Please allow me to remind that I am Catholic, which is one of the ORIGINAL Christian denominations, alongside Orthodoxy. It wasn't until Martin Luther edited the Bible, & said that it should be open to all, that different Protestant & post-protestant sects came along, including ones that denied the Triune Nature Of God. I'm not accepting your 'answer' because it isn't an answer.
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