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Post by sostie on Jun 13, 2019 8:31:40 GMT
So my question is : Is Doctor Strange claiming that in EVERY one of those 14 million possible scenarios, Thor never thought of aiming for Thanos' head and never chopped off Thanos' head?Seems like Doctor Strange was lying about there being only 1 possible winning scenario out of 14 million scenarios. Just another example of really contrived and awful writing in MCU movies. Dr Strange sees 14 million possible scenarios. There are infinitly more. But he can only see them from his position..because he is looking for a scenario he can set in motion. If there was a scenario where Thor beheads Thanos, how can he influence that? How can he set that in motion? What he sees is 14m options...all but one with the same outcome. There is no scenario with Thor beheading Thanos because he has no way of setting that in motion. You really have wasted your time on this one.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Jun 13, 2019 16:47:04 GMT
I just assumed Thor aimed for the head and hit the chest instead. Everyone knows you go for the head. That's what happened in that 1 scenario we saw in Infinity War. But Doctor Strange said there were over 14 million scenarios. So in EVERY 1 of those 14 million scenarios, Thor had such bad aim that he missed chopping off Thanos' head? That seems like really contrived and awful writing. Liar.
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Post by damngumby on Jun 13, 2019 19:04:41 GMT
So my question is : Is Doctor Strange claiming that in EVERY one of those 14 million possible scenarios, Thor never thought of aiming for Thanos' head and never chopped off Thanos' head?Seems like Doctor Strange was lying about there being only 1 possible winning scenario out of 14 million scenarios. Just another example of really contrived and awful writing in MCU movies. Dr Strange sees 14 million possible scenarios. There are infinitly more. But he can only see them from his position..because he is looking for a scenario he can set in motion. If there was a scenario where Thor beheads Thanos, how can he influence that? How can he set that in motion? What he sees is 14m options...all but one with the same outcome. There is no scenario with Thor beheading Thanos because he has no way of setting that in motion. You really have wasted your time on this one. Good explaination. End of thread. Once again, DC-Fraud has been schooled by MCU fans.
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Post by ThatGuy on Jun 13, 2019 22:20:53 GMT
He never said that was the only way they could win. He said that was the only time they won of all the futures he saw. This could have been the only time Thor threw his axe. That's still pretty contrived and awful writing. So basically, we're supposed to believe that Doctor Strange saw 14 million possible future scenarios, but NONE of those 14 million possible future scenarios involved Thor simply chopping off Thanos' head with the axe? 14 million possible scenarios and not one did Thor ever think of simply chopping off Thanos' head with the axe? I'll say this again since you decided to edit it out. Thor could have been dead in most of those futures. Thor could have died in the battle of Wakanda. Thanos could have gone to Wakanda before going to Titan and Thor missed him so he couldn't even try to kill him with the axe. Do you know how possible futures work? Seems like, in your head, it played out the same way except for Endgame.
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Post by merh on Jun 13, 2019 23:13:44 GMT
Doctor Strange claimed that there was only 1 possible way to defeat Thanos and that was to let Thanos snap half the universe out of existence and then have a random mouse step on just the right buttons on a machine 5 years in the future to free Ant-Man from the Quantum Realm and then have the Avengers travel back in time to retrieve the stones and then let past Thanos who traveled to the future take the stones again and finally have Iron Man take the glove off Thanos' hand. Aside from the fact that scenario is just convoluted and really contrived and stupid, Endgame showed that Thanos could be killed simply by Thor chopping off Thanos' head. So in Infinity War, if Thor had chopped off Thanos' head with the axe, then that would've also been a winning scenario and none of the random mouse or time travel or other shit in Endgame would've been needed. So my question is : Is Doctor Strange claiming that in EVERY one of those 14 million possible scenarios, Thor never thought of aiming for Thanos' head and never chopped off Thanos' head?Seems like Doctor Strange was lying about there being only 1 possible winning scenario out of 14 million scenarios. Just another example of really contrived and awful writing in MCU movies. Once an idea gets stuck in your head, it stays, doesnt it? NO. Thanos was dicking with Thor. Thanos had the stone. We saw him play with the Guardians when he took Gamora. In Endgame the stones were destroyed when the head was removed. And sorry, that rat might seem random, but it wasn't Any fortune teller could tell you there is a difference between fixed & random destiny
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Post by dazz on Jun 14, 2019 0:00:01 GMT
Well then, in that case, the writing is even worse than I thought. If the 14 million future scenarios were just hypothetical future scenarios, then how is it that Doctor Strange didn't think of even 1 hypothetical future scenario in which Thor simply chops off Thanos' head with the axe, instead of thinking up a convoluted scenario in which (1) a random mouse steps on just the right buttons on a machine 5 years in the future AND (2) past Thanos figures out the Avengers' plan to retrieve the stones AND (3) past Thanos travels to the future AND (4) Thanos takes possession of the stones again AND (5) Iron Man is quick enough to take the gauntlet off Thanos' hand. The odds of ALL 5 of those things (in addition to all of the other things that happened in Endgame) happening is astronomical compared to the odds of Thor simply chopping off Thanos' head with the axe. So why didn't Doctor Strange think of the simple scenario of Thor simply chopping off Thanos' head with the axe? Why did Doctor Strange risk the fate of half the universe of such a convoluted and astronomical scenario rather than the simple scenario of Thor simply chopping off Thanos' head with the axe? It's just really contrived and awful writing in Infinity War and Endgame. That's why I gave a low rating to Infinity War and Endgame. You really do just look at things in one way don't you?
Not going to even attempt to think beyond the mere confines of the movies set scenes? you lazy cunt.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 16, 2019 2:34:07 GMT
Dr Strange sees 14 million possible scenarios. And in those 14 million possible scenarios, not once did he look at the possibility of Thor simply chopping off Thanos' head with the axe? Yet, he looks at a much more convoluted and unlikely scenario that depends on random and independent variables, such as a random mouse stepping on just the right buttons on a machine 5 years in the future, past Thanos figuring out the Avengers' plan to retrieve the stones, and past Thanos traveling to the future and gaining possession of the stones again? Like I said, that's really contrived and awful writing in Infinity War and Endgame. he is looking for a scenario he can set in motion. If there was a scenario where Thor beheads Thanos, how can he influence that? How can he set that in motion? What he sees is 14m options...all but one with the same outcome. There is no scenario with Thor beheading Thanos because he has no way of setting that in motion. How the fuck does Strange set in motion a random mouse being in the right place 5 years in the future and stepping on just the right buttons on the machine? How the fuck does Strange set in motion past Thanos being able to figure out the Avengers' plan to travel to the past to retrieve the stones? How the fuck does Strange set in motion past Thanos traveling to the future with his entire army? This "set in motion" excuse is just BS. It's just a lame excuse for the contrived and awful writing in Infinity War and Endgame.
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Post by poutinep on Jun 16, 2019 3:54:46 GMT
Dr Strange sees 14 million possible scenarios. And in those 14 million possible scenarios, not once did he look at the possibility of Thor simply chopping off Thanos' head with the axe? Yet, he looks at a much more convoluted and unlikely scenario that depends on random and independent variables, such as a random mouse stepping on just the right buttons on a machine 5 years in the future, past Thanos figuring out the Avengers' plan to retrieve the stones, and past Thanos traveling to the future and gaining possession of the stones again? Like I said, that's really contrived and awful writing in Infinity War and Endgame. he is looking for a scenario he can set in motion. If there was a scenario where Thor beheads Thanos, how can he influence that? How can he set that in motion? What he sees is 14m options...all but one with the same outcome. There is no scenario with Thor beheading Thanos because he has no way of setting that in motion. How the fuck does Strange set in motion a random mouse being in the right place 5 years in the future and stepping on just the right buttons on the machine? How the fuck does Strange set in motion past Thanos being able to figure out the Avengers' plan to travel to the past to retrieve the stones? How the fuck does Strange set in motion past Thanos traveling to the future with his entire army? This "set in motion" excuse is just BS. It's just a lame excuse for the contrived and awful writing in Infinity War and Endgame. Dude stop. He could only see alternate scenarios that HE could make happen. If he can't tell Thor to go for the head then then that scenario didn't exist. You lose. Again. Move on.
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Post by sostie on Jun 16, 2019 9:15:52 GMT
Dr Strange sees 14 million possible scenarios. And in those 14 million possible scenarios, not once did he look at the possibility of Thor simply chopping off Thanos' head with the axe? Yet, he looks at a much more convoluted and unlikely scenario that depends on random and independent variables, such as a random mouse stepping on just the right buttons on a machine 5 years in the future, past Thanos figuring out the Avengers' plan to retrieve the stones, and past Thanos traveling to the future and gaining possession of the stones again? Like I said, that's really contrived and awful writing in Infinity War and Endgame. Oh sweet Jesus. The supidity is an act right? It has to be. Ever hear of the Butterfly Effect? The tiniest of decisions or acts can influence alternate events in the future? Doctor Strange knew what he had to do/say to set in motion the events they needed to win. And it seemed a lose a battle to win the war scenario was the only way. But had to be lost in an exact way. Let's take your favourite method of explanation using sports!!! If someone is about to kick a ball..will the trajectory of that ball be EXACTLY the same if the kick is taken an second or so later or earlier, or if the ball is an inch to the left or right? No. And from that kick will the next move be exactly the same whether they score, miss or intercepted. Will that play be the same if it is taken a seconds sooner or later? Of the 14 million scenarios that he saw, whatever he did on Titan, Thor always missed the head. Accept it...deal with it. That is how the timelines pan out from his starting point. Above all, in both films you are dealing with the Butterfly Effect and time travel...two theories with no universal agreement in the scientific world on how they can be achieved, and how they would effect the real world....and they are used in a fantasy film. Have some perspective rather than constantly being a self important contradictory irritant.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 16, 2019 14:57:51 GMT
And in those 14 million possible scenarios, not once did he look at the possibility of Thor simply chopping off Thanos' head with the axe? Yet, he looks at a much more convoluted and unlikely scenario that depends on random and independent variables, such as a random mouse stepping on just the right buttons on a machine 5 years in the future, past Thanos figuring out the Avengers' plan to retrieve the stones, and past Thanos traveling to the future and gaining possession of the stones again? Like I said, that's really contrived and awful writing in Infinity War and Endgame. How the fuck does Strange set in motion a random mouse being in the right place 5 years in the future and stepping on just the right buttons on the machine? How the fuck does Strange set in motion past Thanos being able to figure out the Avengers' plan to travel to the past to retrieve the stones? How the fuck does Strange set in motion past Thanos traveling to the future with his entire army? This "set in motion" excuse is just BS. It's just a lame excuse for the contrived and awful writing in Infinity War and Endgame. Dude stop. He could only see alternate scenarios that HE could make happen. If he can't tell Thor to go for the head then then that scenario didn't exist. You lose. Again. Move on. So Strange can tell a random mouse to step on the just the right buttons on a machine 5 years in the future? And Strange can tell past Thanos to use Nebula to figure out the Avengers' plan to retrieve the stones? And Strange can tell past Thanos to travel to the future with his entire army? Like I said, your argument is just pure BS. It was just really contrived and awful writing in Infinity War and Endgame.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 16, 2019 15:02:43 GMT
Ever hear of the Butterfly Effect? The tiniest of decisions or acts can influence alternate events in the future? So now you're claiming that changes in the past CAN affect the future, which contradicts Banner's claim that changes in the past can't affect the future. So when past Thanos jumped to the future, that means the events of Infinity War should've never happened (since past Thanos skipped over those events) and thus the events of Endgame should never happen either. So you've just confirmed my point that the time travel made no sense at all in Endgame.
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Post by poutinep on Jun 16, 2019 15:15:44 GMT
Dude stop. He could only see alternate scenarios that HE could make happen. If he can't tell Thor to go for the head then then that scenario didn't exist. You lose. Again. Move on. So Strange can tell a random mouse to step on the just the right buttons on a machine 5 years in the future? And Strange can tell past Thanos to use Nebula to figure out the Avengers' plan to retrieve the stones? And Strange can tell past Thanos to travel to the future with his entire army? Like I said, your argument is just pure BS. It was just really contrived and awful writing in Infinity War and Endgame. Strange didn't have tell the mouse or Thanos to do those things. Those were the default scenarios - things that happen without someone who has seen the future changing things. Thor not going for the head was a default scenario, and Strange wasn't in a position to change it.
Get a life, K.
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Post by dazz on Jun 16, 2019 15:31:57 GMT
Ever hear of the Butterfly Effect? The tiniest of decisions or acts can influence alternate events in the future? So now you're claiming that changes in the past CAN affect the future, which contradicts Banner's claim that changes in the past can't affect the future. So when past Thanos jumped to the future, that means the events of Infinity War should've never happened (since past Thanos skipped over those events) and thus the events of Endgame should never happen either. So you've just confirmed my point that the time travel made no sense at all in Endgame. I think he was referring to chaos theory which I think is the same thing as the butterfly effect except, the butterfly effect refers to changes caused via chaos theory via time travel.
And actually the movie never said you couldn't change the past, they said you couldn't change your past, because changing your past changes your present as they state in the movie, which is why BTTF time travel is bullshit, because if Marty is never born he can never go back in time to fuck things up, if he isn't born to fuck things up nothing changes, his parents fall in love and Marty is born, but if Marty is born he goes back in time where he fucks things up and he then cannot be born...it's an endless loop, unless Marty fixes things, but by "fixing" things and they change Marty should never know things changed because he is in a fluid timeline so his past changes with the timeline so to him nothing should have changed but it does, he knows shit went bad or good which makes no sense.
read that and shut up you idiot basically is what I am saying.
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Post by sostie on Jun 16, 2019 16:39:26 GMT
Ever hear of the Butterfly Effect? The tiniest of decisions or acts can influence alternate events in the future? So now you're claiming that changes in the past CAN affect the future, which contradicts Banner's claim that changes in the past can't affect the future. So when past Thanos jumped to the future, that means the events of Infinity War should've never happened (since past Thanos skipped over those events) and thus the events of Endgame should never happen either. So you've just confirmed my point that the time travel made no sense at all in Endgame. He isn't going back to change anything in the future. He is doing something in the "now" to influence what is going to be. The stupid act is getting tired. If it's not an act, worrying.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 16, 2019 16:59:36 GMT
So now you're claiming that changes in the past CAN affect the future, which contradicts Banner's claim that changes in the past can't affect the future. So when past Thanos jumped to the future, that means the events of Infinity War should've never happened (since past Thanos skipped over those events) and thus the events of Endgame should never happen either. So you've just confirmed my point that the time travel made no sense at all in Endgame. He isn't going back to change anything in the future. He is doing something in the "now" to influence what is going to be Wrong again. It's obvious that you don't understand time travel and neither do the writers of Endgame.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jun 16, 2019 17:44:41 GMT
He isn't going back to change anything in the future. He is doing something in the "now" to influence what is going to be Wrong again. It's obvious that you don't understand time travel and neither do the writers of Endgame. I hope you're not suggesting that time travel is anything more than a theoretical construct used for entertainment purposes in science fiction and fantasy stories. A theory is neither "wrong" nor right until it is proven.
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Post by dazz on Jun 16, 2019 17:46:48 GMT
He isn't going back to change anything in the future. He is doing something in the "now" to influence what is going to be Wrong again. It's obvious that you don't understand time travel and neither do the writers of Endgame. No one understands time travel you dipshit as so far as that as we know it time travel isn't possible, except in the normal manner in which we as linear beings travel second to second through our lives, otherwise it's all theoretical at this point, and you seem to have least amount of understanding of anyone here of that, because you seem to think only one theory exist and it is the factual definition of what time travel is, you utter spud.
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Post by poutinep on Jun 16, 2019 17:58:49 GMT
He isn't going back to change anything in the future. He is doing something in the "now" to influence what is going to be Wrong again. It's obvious that you don't understand time travel and neither do the writers of Endgame. LOL the one who doesn't understand here is you. There are different types of time travel - because it's not fucking real.
Endgame's rules for time travel are internally consistent and that's what matters.
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Post by sostie on Jun 16, 2019 19:12:39 GMT
He isn't going back to change anything in the future. He is doing something in the "now" to influence what is going to be Wrong again. It's obvious that you don't understand time travel and neither do the writers of Endgame. Where exactly in Infinity War did Strange go back in time?
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 16, 2019 19:26:34 GMT
Wrong again. It's obvious that you don't understand time travel and neither do the writers of Endgame. Where exactly in Infinity War did Strange go back in time? Banner claimed that they can't change the past, but Strange's so-called "winning" solution is all about changing the past. So like I said, the time travel in Endgame is inconsistent and makes no sense at all.
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