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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 12, 2019 17:24:25 GMT
Doctor Strange claimed that there was only 1 possible way to defeat Thanos and that was to let Thanos snap half the universe out of existence and then have a random mouse step on just the right buttons on a machine 5 years in the future to free Ant-Man from the Quantum Realm and then have the Avengers travel back in time to retrieve the stones and then let past Thanos who traveled to the future take the stones again and finally have Iron Man take the glove off Thanos' hand.
Aside from the fact that scenario is just convoluted and really contrived and stupid, Endgame showed that Thanos could be killed simply by Thor chopping off Thanos' head. So in Infinity War, if Thor had chopped off Thanos' head with the axe, then that would've also been a winning scenario and none of the random mouse or time travel or other shit in Endgame would've been needed.
So my question is : Is Doctor Strange claiming that in EVERY one of those 14 million possible scenarios, Thor never thought of aiming for Thanos' head and never chopped off Thanos' head?
Seems like Doctor Strange was lying about there being only 1 possible winning scenario out of 14 million scenarios. Just another example of really contrived and awful writing in MCU movies.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2019 17:36:39 GMT
I just assumed Thor aimed for the head and hit the chest instead. Everyone knows you go for the head.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 12, 2019 17:42:13 GMT
I just assumed Thor aimed for the head and hit the chest instead. Everyone knows you go for the head. That's what happened in that 1 scenario we saw in Infinity War. But Doctor Strange said there were over 14 million scenarios. So in EVERY 1 of those 14 million scenarios, Thor had such bad aim that he missed chopping off Thanos' head? That seems like really contrived and awful writing.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jun 12, 2019 17:48:56 GMT
He didn't say there was only one possible way to defeat Thanos. He said he only saw one possible way to defeat Thanos.
Had he had more time, he may have seen other winning scenarios. Could have been a hamster instead of a mouse.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2019 18:10:00 GMT
I just assumed Thor aimed for the head and hit the chest instead. Everyone knows you go for the head. That's what happened in that 1 scenario we saw in Infinity War. But Doctor Strange said there were over 14 million scenarios. So in EVERY 1 of those 14 million scenarios, Thor had such bad aim that he missed chopping off Thanos' head? That seems like really contrived and awful writing. Doctor Strange probably knew he'd miss, or that it wouldn't matter. After a certain time, I think the plan was all lip service. The only way do stop Thanos was to undo the snap, which meant the snap had to happen, which meant it had to happen at so specific a window of time that Ant Man had to be in the quantum realm.
Strange wouldn't tell anyone I imagine because the plan is too jarring, and maybe it's healthy to blow off a little steam fighting Thanos, but the snap had to occur in that 10 second window while Ant Man was in the realm so Strange's mission was to stall, make sure Tony gets out alive, give Thanos the time stone in exchange for Stark's life because his death would mean veering off into one of the other possibilities doomed to fail, then hope that the inevitable snap occurred during those 10 seconds.
As for the head, Thor did technically get the head in that reality, just not the first time. In Strange's vision, he probably counted on Thor missing by just enough to stall Thanos so he'd snap within those 10 seconds instead. If Strange saw Thor successfully landing the head shot he wouldn't have given Thanos the time stone or pleaded for Stark's life. It all went according to plan, right down to the mouse.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 12, 2019 18:45:49 GMT
The only way do stop Thanos was to undo the snap And we know from Endgame that's a lie because we know from Endgame that Thanos can be killed by simply chopping off his head with Thor's axe. So there was another way in Infinity War to stop Thanos - Thor chopping off Thanos' head with the axe in Infinity War. So my question still stands: Is Doctor Strange claiming that in EVERY one of the 14 million scenarios, Thor either didn't think of simply chopping off Thanos' head or Thor had such bad aim that he missed chopping off Thanos' head EVERY time? Or was Doctor Strange just lying about there being only 1 way out of 14 million possible scenarios to stop Thanos?which meant the snap had to happen Why does the snap have to happen? Why couldn't Thor simply chop off Thanos' head with the axe in Infinity War like he did in Endgame? the snap had to occur in that 10 second window while Ant Man was in the realm so Strange's mission was to stall, make sure Tony gets out alive, give Thanos the time stone in exchange for Stark's life Once again, why does the snap have to happen? Why couldn't Thor simply chop off Thanos' head with the axe in Infinity War like he did in Endgame instead of having all the convoluted crap such as a random mouse stepping on just the right buttons on a machine 5 years in the future AND past Thanos figuring out the Avengers' plan AND past Thanos traveling to the future AND past Thanos taking possession of the stones in the future once again AND Iron Man being quick enough to take the gauntlet off Thanos' hand?
Why does all that convoluted crap have to happen instead of the simple solution of Thor simply chopping off Thanos' head in Infinity War like he did in Endgame? Just another example of really contrived and awful writing in MCU movies.because his death would mean veering off into one of the other possibilities doomed to fail If Thor simply chopped off Thanos' head with the axe in Infinity War, how is that possibility doomed to fail? In Strange's vision, he probably counted on Thor missing by just enough to stall Thanos so he'd snap within those 10 seconds instead. If Strange saw Thor successfully landing the head shot he wouldn't have given Thanos the time stone or pleaded for Stark's life. You still don't seem to get it. You said "In Strange's vision". So Strange had a vision of what would happen. But my point is Strange didn't have just 1 vision of what would happen. Strange had 14 million visions of what would happen. Because (and I didn't make this up) Strange claimed that he saw 14 million scenarios. So my question is: In ALL 14 million of those scenarios that Strange claimed he saw, Thor either didn't think of simply chopping off Thanos' head or Thor had such bad aim that he missed chopping off Thanos' head EVERY time? Or was Doctor Strange just lying about there being only 1 way out of 14 million possible scenarios to stop Thanos?
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Jun 12, 2019 18:48:54 GMT
Dum-dum-dum-dum-dumb.
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Post by Skaathar on Jun 12, 2019 19:19:53 GMT
Yeah... I don't see where he was supposedly "lying" here. I don't think you know what it means to "lie".
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 12, 2019 19:26:09 GMT
Yeah... I don't see where he was supposedly "lying" here. I don't think you know what it means to "lie". I'll explain it to you more slowly. Strange was lying about there being only 1 way out of 14 million possible scenarios to defeat Thanos. Because as we saw in Endgame, Thanos can be killed by simply chopping off his head with Thor's axe. So if Thor had simply chopped off Thanos' head in Infinity War, then Thanos would've been defeated without the convoluted crap of Strange giving Thanos the time stone AND a random mouse stepping on the just the right buttons on a machine 5 years in the future AND past Thanos figuring out the Avengers' plan to retrieve the stones AND past Thanos traveling to the future AND getting possession of the stones again AND Iron Man being quick enough to take the gauntlet off Thanos' hand before the 2nd snap.
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Post by Skaathar on Jun 12, 2019 19:33:00 GMT
Yeah... I don't see where he was supposedly "lying" here. I don't think you know what it means to "lie". I'll explain it to you more slowly. Strange was lying about there being only 1 way out of 14 million possible scenarios to defeat Thanos. Because as we saw in Endgame, Thanos can be killed by simply chopping off his head with Thor's axe. So if Thor had simply chopped off Thanos' head in Infinity War, then Thanos would've been defeated without the convoluted crap of Strange giving Thanos the time stone AND a random mouse stepping on the just the right buttons on a machine 5 years in the future AND past Thanos figuring out the Avengers' plan to retrieve the stones AND past Thanos traveling to the future AND getting possession of the stones again AND Iron Man being quick enough to take the gauntlet off Thanos' hand before the 2nd snap. There's a difference between seeing 14 million possible futures... and simply creating an ideal scenario in your head. Thanos can be killed by chopping off his head but that doesn't mean Thor would have been able to do so in IW. In fact, what makes you think he wasn't aiming for the head anyway? Bottom line: Unless you specifically know what happened in those 14 million future scenarios then you can't claim Dr. Strange is lying. To do so means you don't know what "lying" means.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 12, 2019 19:38:40 GMT
I'll explain it to you more slowly. Strange was lying about there being only 1 way out of 14 million possible scenarios to defeat Thanos. Because as we saw in Endgame, Thanos can be killed by simply chopping off his head with Thor's axe. So if Thor had simply chopped off Thanos' head in Infinity War, then Thanos would've been defeated without the convoluted crap of Strange giving Thanos the time stone AND a random mouse stepping on the just the right buttons on a machine 5 years in the future AND past Thanos figuring out the Avengers' plan to retrieve the stones AND past Thanos traveling to the future AND getting possession of the stones again AND Iron Man being quick enough to take the gauntlet off Thanos' hand before the 2nd snap. There's a difference between seeing 14 million possible futures... and simply creating an ideal scenario in your head. Thanos can be killed by chopping off his head but that doesn't mean Thor would have been able to do so in IW. In fact, what makes you think he wasn't aiming for the head anyway? And that's what I'm asking: In ALL 14 million of those scenarios that Strange claimed he saw, did Thor have such bad aim that he missed chopping off Thanos' head EVERY time? Or did Thor just not think of chopping off Thanos' head in ALL 14 million scenarios? Or was Doctor Strange just lying about there being only 1 way out of 14 million possible scenarios to stop Thanos?
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Post by Skaathar on Jun 12, 2019 19:42:12 GMT
There's a difference between seeing 14 million possible futures... and simply creating an ideal scenario in your head. Thanos can be killed by chopping off his head but that doesn't mean Thor would have been able to do so in IW. In fact, what makes you think he wasn't aiming for the head anyway? And that's what I'm asking: In ALL 14 million of those scenarios that Strange claimed he saw, did Thor have such bad aim that he missed chopping off Thanos' head EVERY time? Or did Thor just not think of chopping off Thanos' head in ALL 14 million scenarios? Or was Doctor Strange just lying about there being only 1 way out of 14 million possible scenarios to stop Thanos? Have you ever tried throwing an axe? Especially a batlleaxe of that size? Do you realize how difficult it is to aim something like that especially when you're throwing from the distance that Thor hit Thanos? Especially when you're getting blasted by the IG all the way? So yes, I'm saying in all those 14 million scenarios, there was not a single one where Thor chopped Thanos' head before he made the snap. Otherwise Strange would have said so. Heck, there'd probably be a whole lot of scenarios where Thor missed completely and didn't even hit Thanos in the body. Now, where's your proof that Strange was lying? Or do you still don't know what lying means? Because a DC fanatic disagreeing with the way an MCU character acts in the movie is not proof of the MCU character lying.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2019 19:44:05 GMT
The only way do stop Thanos was to undo the snap And we know from Endgame that's a lie because we know from Endgame that Thanos can be killed by simply chopping off his head with Thor's axe. So there was another way in Infinity War to stop Thanos - Thor chopping off Thanos' head with the axe in Infinity War. So my question still stands: Is Doctor Strange claiming that in EVERY one of the 14 million scenarios, Thor either didn't think of simply chopping off Thanos' head or Thor had such bad aim that he missed chopping off Thanos' head EVERY time? Or was Doctor Strange just lying about there being only 1 way out of 14 million possible scenarios to stop Thanos?which meant the snap had to happen Why does the snap have to happen? Why couldn't Thor simply chop off Thanos' head with the axe in Infinity War like he did in Endgame? the snap had to occur in that 10 second window while Ant Man was in the realm so Strange's mission was to stall, make sure Tony gets out alive, give Thanos the time stone in exchange for Stark's life Once again, why does the snap have to happen? Why couldn't Thor simply chop off Thanos' head with the axe in Infinity War like he did in Endgame instead of having all the convoluted crap such as a random mouse stepping on just the right buttons on a machine 5 years in the future AND past Thanos figuring out the Avengers' plan AND past Thanos traveling to the future AND past Thanos taking possession of the stones in the future once again AND Iron Man being quick enough to take the gauntlet off Thanos' hand?
Why does all that convoluted crap have to happen instead of the simple solution of Thor simply chopping off Thanos' head in Infinity War like he did in Endgame? Just another example of really contrived and awful writing in MCU movies.because his death would mean veering off into one of the other possibilities doomed to fail If Thor simply chopped off Thanos' head with the axe in Infinity War, how is that possibility doomed to fail? In Strange's vision, he probably counted on Thor missing by just enough to stall Thanos so he'd snap within those 10 seconds instead. If Strange saw Thor successfully landing the head shot he wouldn't have given Thanos the time stone or pleaded for Stark's life. You still don't seem to get it. You said "In Strange's vision". So Strange had a vision of what would happen. But my point is Strange didn't have just 1 vision of what would happen. Strange had 14 million visions of what would happen. Because (and I didn't make this up) Strange claimed that he saw 14 million scenarios. So my question is: In ALL 14 million of those scenarios that Strange claimed he saw, Thor either didn't think of simply chopping off Thanos' head or Thor had such bad aim that he missed chopping off Thanos' head EVERY time? Or was Doctor Strange just lying about there being only 1 way out of 14 million possible scenarios to stop Thanos? No, Doctor Strange saw one of fourteen million possible futures in which they defeated Thanos, and that one very elusive possibility just happened to be the movie.
I know 1 in 14,000,605 odds are astronomically low. But it's not impossible. Think about it, if your odds of winning the lottery were 14,000,605, I know it's extremely unlikely but don't throw out your ticket! You could still win.
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Post by poutinep on Jun 12, 2019 19:45:47 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2019 19:48:36 GMT
There's a difference between seeing 14 million possible futures... and simply creating an ideal scenario in your head. Thanos can be killed by chopping off his head but that doesn't mean Thor would have been able to do so in IW. In fact, what makes you think he wasn't aiming for the head anyway? And that's what I'm asking: In ALL 14 million of those scenarios that Strange claimed he saw, did Thor have such bad aim that he missed chopping off Thanos' head EVERY time? Or did Thor just not think of chopping off Thanos' head in ALL 14 million scenarios? Or was Doctor Strange just lying about there being only 1 way out of 14 million possible scenarios to stop Thanos? You want to account for all 14 million scenarios? If it were one or more second later, the mouse could have walked over a different part of the keyboard. If Iron Man stood around chatting for a single more second during the final battle when he saw Strange, he could have been taken out by stray fire from one of Thanos' foot soldiers.
It would seem that in the only scenario in which the Avengers emerged victorious, Thor was unable to go for the head or he tried by missed. Thanos wasn't wrong when he said he was inevitable. Fact is, if Thor cut off his head in Wakanda, that may jump start the chain of events that brings alternate timeline 2014 Thanos in to finish the job. 14 million's a lot of ways to go down. You gotta use your imagination.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 12, 2019 20:07:05 GMT
And that's what I'm asking: In ALL 14 million of those scenarios that Strange claimed he saw, did Thor have such bad aim that he missed chopping off Thanos' head EVERY time? Or did Thor just not think of chopping off Thanos' head in ALL 14 million scenarios? Or was Doctor Strange just lying about there being only 1 way out of 14 million possible scenarios to stop Thanos?Have you ever tried throwing an axe? Especially a batlleaxe of that size? Do you realize how difficult it is to aim something like that especially when you're throwing from the distance that Thor hit Thanos? Especially when you're getting blasted by the IG all the way? If Thanos was a small guy, then I can see Thor missing his head. But Thanos is a pretty big guy, with a pretty big neck. How does someone who's often been called a God miss a target that big 14 million times? yes, I'm saying in all those 14 million scenarios, there was not a single one where Thor chopped Thanos' head before he made the snap. So basically Thor has such bad aim that he missed chopping off Thanos' head 14 million times?
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 12, 2019 20:12:48 GMT
Doctor Strange saw one of fourteen million possible futures in which they defeated Thanos Wait, are you saying the fourteen million possible futures that Doctor Strange saw were hypothetical and not actual? Then my new question is: Were the 14 million future scenarios that Doctor Strange saw actual future scenarios that actually occurred in an alternate timeline/reality? Or were the 14 million future scenarios that Doctor Strange saw hypothetical future scenarios that didn't actually occur in an alternate timeline/reality?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2019 20:31:18 GMT
Doctor Strange saw one of fourteen million possible futures in which they defeated Thanos Wait, are you saying the fourteen million possible futures that Doctor Strange saw were hypothetical and not actual? Then my new question is: Were the 14 million future scenarios that Doctor Strange saw actual future scenarios that actually occurred in an alternate timeline/reality? Or were the 14 million future scenarios that Doctor Strange saw hypothetical future scenarios that didn't actually occur in an alternate timeline/reality? They're hypothetical.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Jun 12, 2019 20:39:15 GMT
Doctor Strange saw one of fourteen million possible futures in which they defeated Thanos Wait, are you saying the fourteen million possible futures that Doctor Strange saw were hypothetical and not actual? Then my new question is: Were the 14 million future scenarios that Doctor Strange saw actual future scenarios that actually occurred in an alternate timeline/reality? Or were the 14 million future scenarios that Doctor Strange saw hypothetical future scenarios that didn't actually occur in an alternate timeline/reality? The other 14 million scenarios are futures where the Avengers lose. It's not hard man. 
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Post by Skaathar on Jun 12, 2019 21:09:03 GMT
Have you ever tried throwing an axe? Especially a batlleaxe of that size? Do you realize how difficult it is to aim something like that especially when you're throwing from the distance that Thor hit Thanos? Especially when you're getting blasted by the IG all the way? If Thanos was a small guy, then I can see Thor missing his head. But Thanos is a pretty big guy, with a pretty big neck. How does someone who's often been called a God miss a target that big 14 million times? yes, I'm saying in all those 14 million scenarios, there was not a single one where Thor chopped Thanos' head before he made the snap. So basically Thor has such bad aim that he missed chopping off Thanos' head 14 million times? So you're just going to completely ignore the distance that axe was thrown which seemed in excess of 100 meters, the fact that even big objects will appear smaller with distance, that a battleaxe is a very difficult weapon to be accurate with, the angle with which Thor was trying to hit Thanos, or the fact that Thanos had just blasted Stormbreaker with the complete IG and then simply blame everything on Thor having bad aim? Well, thanks for proving you're a troll. |
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