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Post by Terrapin Station on Feb 20, 2017 11:14:44 GMT
Re "I don't know what you have or haven't done"--I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with divorce. You suggested that children of divorce would think there is something inherently wrong with divorce. So it follows that you must be assuming that I didn't have parents who got divorced, since you believe that children of divorce believe there is something inherently wrong with it. Re the question I asked, it was this: "how are you figuring that gay couples who have been legally married are not socially/culturally married? " I have been answering that question over the past few days. Rather than reading through a bunch of your posts and trying to figure out what you count as an answer to this, could you just succinctly answer it for me? "They're not socially/culturally married because ________"?
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Post by awhina on Feb 20, 2017 11:17:22 GMT
No. I don't care about what happens on Coronation St, in real life women don't voluntarily leave their children. No, you are mistaken again. Women actually do leave their children. Lesbian marriages have two of them. No, actually it's not. No more than most heterosexual marriages are. So, it seems your views are largely factually incorrect. You should therefore change your mind on this issue. You don't seem to know what my mind is on the issue! As I have previously said I don't care if homosexuals get married though I care very much if they mess up the lives of children. Women don't *voluntarily* leave their children is what I said snd that remains true. We're not talking about lesbians but about male homosexuals.
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Post by j2 on Feb 20, 2017 11:26:17 GMT
No, not really. From my point of view homosexuals can do whatever the hell they want to do, if they'd just keep it to themselves and no damned agenda keeps coming near me, for example. Good or bad, everyone chooses or should be able to choose exactly what they'd like to do with themselves. But when any agenda or group or gang tries to force me, inside my home, to accept anything whatsoever starting by falseness, then I will stand against it all the time without exception. That's also the kind of forced indoctrination I speak of, and the kind of 'social' harassment that keeps taking place on a major scale all over the place. At best, you and those like you are 'masked social bullies', pretending politeness and 'good manners' just as long as people don't challenge your positions. It's a laugh. Yes, you are a laugh and a sociopathic freak. The whole world is hetero indoctrinated and it is promoted and shoved in everyone's faces, every corner and every street you turn. Yes, what forced indoctrination! What a paranoid and neurotic fool you are, to think that you are being forced by a homosexual agenda inside your own home. Who and how are homosexuals forcing you with their falseness in your own home? Turn off the t.v channel, or don't read the newspaper article, OR DON'T EVEN BOTHER TO POST ON HERE WITH YOUR OWN WARPED SICK FORCED INDOCTRINATED HETEROSEXUAL AGENDA, IF YOU DON'T WANT TO LISTEN TO HOMOS. Friggin' retard! Exactly my point.
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Post by yezziqa on Feb 20, 2017 12:10:39 GMT
What utter bull. You cannot grasp the idea of people doing things out of the kindness of their hearts or gay couples working together to be blessed with children? So you think that all homosexual men get children from women who give birth to children and hand them over never to be seen again? On TV soap operas maybe but ot in reality. How simple life must be to always think the worst of people and to never read a full sentence. Yet another anecdote that proves nothing. You do not seem to grasp what an parable. It is not that the Vikings blood literally is harder to remove from lets say a piece of cloth, it is that the Vikings continued with their culture and did not completely give in to Christianity. Or is it a Christian thing to dance around a phallic symbol, light fires in spring to ask the sun to come back, write with magic runes etc? Your fathers "Viking blood" (yeah right) would off course have been washed away as he does not live here in the culture.
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Post by j2 on Feb 20, 2017 12:27:44 GMT
But what is your point? That homos are invading your home and forcing you to become one of them with their falseness? That you and those like you are a bunch of bullies. Except I'm not. From what I see, you wouldn't know falseness from any other thing since it's already biting you in the hinds. So since you speak of falseness so easily, point one thing to me here which I have said that is false. You guys have a real problem is what I'll say. 'pray' to what, I wonder? And by the way, push your perversions back to yourself, why don't you. Based on observations from this thread, I find that deep inside those who choose homosexuality there must be at least one deeply-seated core of irrational thinking.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2017 12:52:14 GMT
You don't seem to know what my mind is on the issue! I do know what your mind is on the issue. It's just that your opinions are factually wrong. I care if heterosexuals mess up the lives of their children, too. False. Women do just that, all the time. No. The thread is about "gay marriage". Not male gay marriage. Everything you've said in this entire thread is demonstrably factually incorrect. Incidentally, the inability of people like yourself to come up with ANY argument against gay marriage that isn't obviously based in ignorance or lies is exactly why you lost the culture war on this topic. Gay marriage is legal today in large part thanks to people like you. So thanks for that.
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Post by Blue on Feb 20, 2017 13:59:59 GMT
This thread has become heartbreaking to read. I did not choose to be gay. I have tried to have heterosexual relationships. I simply do not find women sexually attractive. I spent many years being celibate as I felt that was the better alternative than to seek male companionship due to my family's and my personal beliefs. But you know what, that is a horrible and lonely way to live. I'm young, attractive, have money, own a home, and am extremely dedicated to family. How is it wrong to want to find a partner and to eventually get married and have kids? In my case, rather than father my own children, I want to adopt. I want to take an unwanted child that was a result of a hetero coupling and to give him or her a permanent home. Now explain to me, how is that a degradation to society or to the institution of marriage? Hetero couples get married and divorce at the drop of a hat. Hetero couples cheat on each other. Het couples abandon their children. Het couples adopt. Het couples hire surrogates. Het couples have open marriages where they sleep with other people. Het couples practice sodomy. Het couples have loveless marriages. Het couples sometimes marry just for citizenship status. Now how does that not degrade the "institution of marriage" that you value so much? If or when I do get married, it will be a real, legal marriage. If or when I have children, they will be my children and they would be my real family. You can burrow your head in the sand and actively dislike it all you want. But by making it your business to refer to my marriage as a "marriage" or my family as my "family". you're not just insulting me, you would be insulting my children and the 22,000+ children adopted by gay couples in the United States alone. Children that would have otherwise remain unwanted. So think about that the next time you want to go out of your way to invalidate a family with same-sex parents. Do you want to know why I want to get married to my partner? It's not because I want to play dress-up and "pretend" to have a family. Legal marriage comes with legal benefits. If I were to be rushed to the emergency room today, my partner would not be allowed in to see me. But if we were married, he would be the first one allowed in. If we were married, I could put him under my health insurance. We would get a tax break. We would get discounts on home and auto insurance. If we were married, he would be my next of kin. So if I died he would not have to worry about the finances, our home, his right to plan and be at my funeral, etc. Because those things come with the benefit of marriage. The way that some of you talk about gay people marrying is like how people don't like interracial marriage. It's sickening. A lot of your opinions are understandable and you are entitled to them but if you re-read what you are saying it's coming from a place of hate and disgust. Every time you are talking this way about a gay person you are referring to me as well. I may not fit the negatively stereotypical depiction of a gay man, but I am still gay. Even if I chose to be celibate again, I would still be gay. I think I'm just going to avoid threads like this from now on because while I like a lot of you, I don't like this aspect of you. I am really sorry that you think it's hate that we feel, it's not. There's so much I could say about your other points but not here. Let me build this scenario for you and I want you answer honestly. Don't answer around it, don't ignore the entire post and only pick bits and pieces to respond to. Please read the whole thing and answer. My family does not approve of my partner and told me they don't want to meet him or have anything to do with him. So let's say he and I eventually move in together and are together for many years, and do not get married. I get into a car accident and am rushed into the emergency room where I am in critical condition and not conscious. My partner is contacted by the ER and he rushes to the hospital. However they tell him that he's not allowed in to see me because it's family only. My parents arrive to see me and tell my partner that he's not welcome and to leave. My parents are in the room with me as I die. Later on, my partner is not allowed to plan or be at my funeral. I was a business owner and he is a college student. So that means I was the breadwinner. The home we were living in was in my name so my family wants to claim it and kick him out. All my savings and accounts become accessible to my family and not to my partner. Now if all of this could have been avoided if we had been married and he had LEGAL right to be with me in my final moments and also had LEGAL right to the home and finances I worked hard to build for our security, do you still have a problem with gay marriage?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2017 14:10:38 GMT
I am really sorry that you think it's hate that we feel, it's not. There's so much I could say about your other points but not here. Let me build this scenario for you and I want you answer honestly. Don't answer around it, don't ignore the entire post and only pick bits and pieces to respond to. Please read the whole thing and answer. My family does not approve of my partner and told me they don't want to meet him or have anything to do with him. So let's say he and I eventually move in together and are together for many years, and do not get married. I get into a car accident and am rushed into the emergency room where I am in critical condition and not conscious. My partner is contacted by the ER and he rushes to the hospital. However they tell him that he's not allowed in to see me because it's family only. My parents arrive to see me and tell my partner that he's not welcome and to leave. My parents are in the room with me as I die. Later on, my partner is not allowed to plan or be at my funeral. I was a business owner and he is a college student. So that means I was the breadwinner. The home we were living in was in my name so my family wants to claim it and kick him out. All my savings and accounts become accessible to my family and not to my partner. Now if all of this could have been avoided if we had been married and he had LEGAL right to be with me in my final moments and also had LEGAL right to the home and finances I worked hard to build for our security, do you still have a problem with gay marriage? Forget it mate... You are trying to talk sense to, at best a troll, at worst an emotionally damaged, and intellectually challenged individual...
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Post by Blue on Feb 20, 2017 14:12:19 GMT
Let me build this scenario for you and I want you answer honestly. Don't answer around it, don't ignore the entire post and only pick bits and pieces to respond to. Please read the whole thing and answer. My family does not approve of my partner and told me they don't want to meet him or have anything to do with him. So let's say he and I eventually move in together and are together for many years, and do not get married. I get into a car accident and am rushed into the emergency room where I am in critical condition and not conscious. My partner is contacted by the ER and he rushes to the hospital. However they tell him that he's not allowed in to see me because it's family only. My parents arrive to see me and tell my partner that he's not welcome and to leave. My parents are in the room with me as I die. Later on, my partner is not allowed to plan or be at my funeral. I was a business owner and he is a college student. So that means I was the breadwinner. The home we were living in was in my name so my family wants to claim it and kick him out. All my savings and accounts become accessible to my family and not to my partner. Now if all of this could have been avoided if we had been married and he had LEGAL right to be with me in my final moments and also had LEGAL right to the home and finances I worked hard to build for our security, do you still have a problem with gay marriage? Forget it mate... You are trying to talk sense to, at best a troll, at worst an emotionally damaged, and intellectually challenged individual... God help me, I'm still gonna try. At least this once.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2017 15:07:21 GMT
God help me, I'm still gonna try. At least this once. Look mate you seem like a nice guy but Father Jack is right you're dealing with an appalling bigoted person. She was the most homophobic poster on the original IMDB boards by some distance(and believe me there was stiff competition for that label.) Her previous statements against homosexuals include the following: Most gay men are pedophiles. Gay men only adopt young children in order to groom them for abuse. Gay men should not be permitted to be around their own young male family members in case they abuse them(She actually accused a poster called Captain Bryce of doing just that.) Gay men are all misogynists who hate women. Gay men are all wealthy and use that wealth to buy young men and or children from hetrosexual couples(Yes she really did say that) Gay men only care about gay men. No gay man has ever been faithful in a relationship. All gay men have multiple partners. Those are just some of the hateful things she's said on previous boards,so if you trying to have a reasoned discussion and put forth logcal points then you're wasting your breath. Awhina is a deeply unhappy old women who projects her hate onto others and thrives on the negative attention that generates. She also has an appalling habit of accussing people she's arguing with of the most outrageous things. For myself that was being a convicted stalker and spousal abuser,for others it was regular accusations of being pedophiles and distributing child porn. That's who you're trying to engage with blue jay,do so at your peril.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2017 15:29:57 GMT
God help me, I'm still gonna try. At least this once. Look mate you seem like a nice guy but Father Jack is right you're dealing with an appalling bigoted person. She was the most homophobic poster on the original IMDB boards by some distance(and believe me there was stiff competition for that label.) Her previous statements against homosexuals include the following: Most gay men are pedophiles. Gay men only adopt young children in order to groom them for abuse. Gay men should not be permitted to be around their own young male family members in case they abuse them(She actually accused a poster called Captain Bryce of doing just that.) Gay men are all misogynists who hate women. Gay men are all wealthy and use that wealth to buy young men and or children from hetrosexual couples(Yes she really did say that) Gay men only care about gay men. No gay man has ever been faithful in a relationship. All gay men have multiple partners. Those are just some of the hateful things she's said on previous boards,so if you trying to have a reasoned discussion and put forth logcal points then you're wasting your breath. Awhina is a deeply unhappy old women who projects her hate onto others and thrives on the negative attention that generates. She also has an appalling habit of accussing people she's arguing with of the most outrageous things. For myself that was being a convicted stalker and spousal abuser,for others it was regular accusations of being pedophiles and distributing child porn. That's who you're trying to engage with blue jay,do so at your peril. Careful now... She has 'viking blood', or some other whack-job shit.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Feb 20, 2017 16:35:37 GMT
Wow, first big megathread!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2017 16:36:20 GMT
Supes' story notwithstanding I was never divorced, but why bring my private life into it? Are you claiming that divorce is a good thing? Then why did you post that you were Ada? You have admitted to being divorced on previous boards. You called me a liar and I showed you a post where you admitting to being divored, so who's the liar Ada And here's a profile you set up on an atheist website called beliefnet.com under the username vicky32: So if you weren't divorced why did you list your relationship status as "Divorces/Seperated? And of course your personal life is relevant,you are attempting to tell people what does or doesn't constitute a real marriage and that other peoples marriages are shams. The fact is you want to conceal from others on this board that yours was an abusive marriage that ended in adultery and divorce,so when it comes to talking about what makes a marriage you are one of the last people to give an opinion, as yours was such a failure.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2017 16:41:11 GMT
Wow, first big megathread! Does the subject it took to do that surprise you Smithy? The more things change the more they stay the same.
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Post by OldSamVimes on Feb 20, 2017 16:53:11 GMT
Let me build this scenario for you and I want you answer honestly. Don't answer around it, don't ignore the entire post and only pick bits and pieces to respond to. Please read the whole thing and answer. My family does not approve of my partner and told me they don't want to meet him or have anything to do with him. So let's say he and I eventually move in together and are together for many years, and do not get married. I get into a car accident and am rushed into the emergency room where I am in critical condition and not conscious. My partner is contacted by the ER and he rushes to the hospital. However they tell him that he's not allowed in to see me because it's family only. My parents arrive to see me and tell my partner that he's not welcome and to leave. My parents are in the room with me as I die. Later on, my partner is not allowed to plan or be at my funeral. I was a business owner and he is a college student. So that means I was the breadwinner. The home we were living in was in my name so my family wants to claim it and kick him out. All my savings and accounts become accessible to my family and not to my partner. Now if all of this could have been avoided if we had been married and he had LEGAL right to be with me in my final moments and also had LEGAL right to the home and finances I worked hard to build for our security, do you still have a problem with gay marriage? Forget it mate... You are trying to talk sense to, at best a troll, at worst an emotionally damaged, and intellectually challenged individual... I think the dudes in our userpics would be fast friends.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2017 16:57:04 GMT
Forget it mate... You are trying to talk sense to, at best a troll, at worst an emotionally damaged, and intellectually challenged individual... I think the dudes in our userpics would be fast friends. DRINK FECK ARSE GIRLS!
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Post by OldSamVimes on Feb 20, 2017 17:00:43 GMT
I think the dudes in our userpics would be fast friends. DRINK FECK ARSE GIRLS! Forget it. I'm way too dignified to lower myself down to that abject level.
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Post by The Lost One on Feb 20, 2017 17:09:04 GMT
Maybe they should just call it something different than married to make everyone happy. Call it 'hitched' or something like that. Get a word different than married but make it so they still get the same rights as real married people. They do that in a few places. It's pretty patronising as pointed out in South Park: youtu.be/c999SUjE8rQ
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Post by Blue on Feb 20, 2017 17:26:01 GMT
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Feb 20, 2017 17:45:26 GMT
This is the most annoying argument to behad for gay marriage and I wish people would stop using it. These arguments are only for the lazy and the reality it is is extremely simple to emulate the exact same privileges of married people. There would be NO legal blocks with a one page will and durable power of attorney. None. It takes 30 minutes to set up and if someone really loves their partner it;s the least thing they can do, but again laziness is a powerful drug. It's just that people, married or not, are never encouraged to make smart choices regarding the rights they have. Even married people run into roadblocks simply because the individual never took the opportunity to explain their wishes. Although Marriage should not be decided by government in the first place, the most obvious reason gay people should have the right to marry separate from religious belief is that secular marriage in the US is based on love rather than logic (No one is getting married for Social Security Spousal benefits) in many cases and so if gay people fall in love, they should have the same expectations of rights to publicize that love.
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