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Post by Blue on Feb 20, 2017 18:50:57 GMT
I have stated a scenario why marriage is more than just a title or status in a relationship. It comes with rights and benefits. Yes, gay couples can look into alternatives that can emulate marriage, but I provided sources that show that it is not so cut and dry. I know a gay couple who did just that several years ago and it was not so easy as you think it is. And it was very expensive. Also, wills do not take 30 minutes. It's not pizza delivery. It's a complicated process, especially when there's property and several financial accounts involved. In my case, I own a business, which would further complicate things. Wills can also be contested. In the United States, without a will, the spouse is the first next of kin. If the intent is to leave everything to your partner, why not just make him/her your legal spouse? Do you see what I'm getting at here?
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Post by jillmcbain on Feb 20, 2017 19:06:47 GMT
My husband and I play bridge with another couple every Wednesday. This other couple says lots of disparaging things about gay people. Today they went over the top. They often talk about gay marriage and how it should not be allowed, this time the husband went on about pedophilia and how 'Almost all gay men are pedophiles'. How does one deal with such people while still trying to keep love in your heart? Is gay people getting married something that bothers you? If so.... why? I guess, it is healthier for kids to be raised by most gay couples (they don't have more dysfunctional relationships than hetero couples) than by that couple in question. I think that in case of most gay men, it might turn out to be a blessing for the kids since gay men might be the last people on earth who take kids for granted. I bet, kids are more loved by them than by many deranged straight parents. I thought this was about the children's interests. As for getting married? Why not? Ask that couple in question how they would react if others told them how to lead their love / sex / marital life. Those who attack gays always look at one in a strange way if you ask them how they would feel if others interfered with them as much as the society interferes with gay couples. And all of this inspite of court rulings in gays' favor... (Edited for grammar.)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2017 19:28:39 GMT
Forget it. I'm way too dignified to lower myself down to that abject level. I'M A HAPPY CAMPER
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Feb 20, 2017 19:44:49 GMT
I have stated a scenario why marriage is more than just a title or status in a relationship. It comes with rights and benefits. Yes, gay couples can look into alternatives that can emulate marriage, but I provided sources that show that it is not so cut and dry. I know a gay couple who did just that several years ago and it was not so easy as you think it is. And it was very expensive. Also, wills do not take 30 minutes. It's not pizza delivery. It's a complicated process, especially when there's property and several financial accounts involved. In my case, I own a business, which would further complicate things. Wills can also be contested. In the United States, without a will, the spouse is the first next of kin. If the intent is to leave everything to your partner, why not just make him/her your legal spouse? Do you see what I'm getting at here? Well, it is that cut and dry. Gay couples could always set up their rights to mirror that of married couples with the exception of Social Security which is not the reason people get married. That said, the mess that is Social Security survivor benefits does create the most obvious legal reason for gay marriage. Otherwise, everything else can be identical. The government has never and will never be the best arbitrar for a couple's wishes which is wh people who are in love, even if not married, need to have already figured out what they want their partners to have, straight or gay.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Feb 20, 2017 19:53:45 GMT
Maybe they should just call it something different than married to make everyone happy. Call it 'hitched' or something like that. Get a word different than married but make it so they still get the same rights as real married people. People just need to accept the fact that there are different types of marriage. No matter if we eat steak, bacon, pork chops, or rack of lamb, they are all different forms of the same thing - Meat. Gay marriage, straight marriage, religious marriage are all different types of marriage and it's not necessary for everyone to accept it as a good thing just because its called marriage. Only goofy people would be confused by their feelings on the matter just based on the word.
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Post by Edward-Elizabeth-Hitler on Feb 20, 2017 19:57:17 GMT
I have stated a scenario why marriage is more than just a title or status in a relationship. It comes with rights and benefits. Yes, gay couples can look into alternatives that can emulate marriage, but I provided sources that show that it is not so cut and dry. I know a gay couple who did just that several years ago and it was not so easy as you think it is. And it was very expensive. Also, wills do not take 30 minutes. It's not pizza delivery. It's a complicated process, especially when there's property and several financial accounts involved. In my case, I own a business, which would further complicate things. Wills can also be contested. In the United States, without a will, the spouse is the first next of kin. If the intent is to leave everything to your partner, why not just make him/her your legal spouse? Do you see what I'm getting at here? Well, it is that cut and dry. Gay couples could always set up their rights to mirror that of married couples with the exception of Social Security which is not the reason people get married. That said, the mess that is Social Security survivor benefits does create the most obvious legal reason for gay marriage. Otherwise, everything else can be identical. The government has never and will never be the best arbitrar for a couple's wishes which is wh people who are in love, even if not married, need to have already figured out what they want their partners to have, straight or gay. Why should gay couples have to do that when it is the government, through legislation, enshrines these rights for heterosexual couples into law?
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Feb 20, 2017 20:13:30 GMT
Well, it is that cut and dry. Gay couples could always set up their rights to mirror that of married couples with the exception of Social Security which is not the reason people get married. That said, the mess that is Social Security survivor benefits does create the most obvious legal reason for gay marriage. Otherwise, everything else can be identical. The government has never and will never be the best arbitrar for a couple's wishes which is wh people who are in love, even if not married, need to have already figured out what they want their partners to have, straight or gay. Why should gay couples have to do that when it is the government, through legislation, enshrines these rights for heterosexual couples into law? Do what? Quit searching for an agenda. I can assume you don;t believe the stuff I post about gay rights, but I don't feel a need to repeat myself all the time and we are wasting valuable server space. I'm saying everyone should be setting in stone their intentions rather than being grandfathered in by weak, archaic government rules. There are other, better reasons why gay marriage should be secularly legal. Financial planning is not one of them. You certainly don't want to wait until the wedding day anyway. What if they croak on the way to the church? It's idiotic not to have a will and DPA as a part of commitment.
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Post by phludowin on Feb 20, 2017 21:59:43 GMT
I'm saying everyone should be setting in stone their intentions rather than being grandfathered in by weak, archaic government rules. There are other, better reasons why gay marriage should be secularly legal. Financial planning is not one of them. In that case, heterosexual marriage should be abolished as well. I believe that homosexual and heterosexual couples should be treated equally. Whether this means that they all can marry or none can... I don't really care. I have never been in a romantic relationship, so I don't have a dog in the fight.
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Post by j2 on Feb 21, 2017 0:20:40 GMT
That you and those like you are a bunch of bullies. Except I'm not. From what I see, you wouldn't know falseness from any other thing since it's already biting you in the hinds. So since you speak of falseness so easily, point one thing to me here which I have said that is false. You guys have a real problem is what I'll say. 'pray' to what, I wonder? And by the way, push your perversions back to yourself, why don't you. Based on observations from this thread, I find that deep inside those who choose homosexuality there must be at least one deeply-seated core of irrational thinking. Whats wrong tiger? You are a big full blooded heterosexual boy, and yet you are afraid of a minority of homosexual bullies. Do they make you cry? Not crying at all, just calling it as I see it (I wasn't the one screaming around like a little beast a while back). The proof is in the posts. You don't like the way I think so you go into full "attack" mode. Except it's a pathetic "attack". It doesn't work on me and it doesn't change the sad truth of your position. You are pathetic and you can't hold a calm rational discussion about the truths you don't like to hear; you can't face truth. That's because you don't have a spine for it; how could you when you must hate such truth? So you call me precisely the things I think you have inside. Doesn't change the facts, and now you're a keyboard shrink too, aren't you. Laughable. Look at the posts and look into the mirror. Who's been aggressive here? Based on your posts you are the irrational one, and once again, I wouldn't be surprised if it isn't you who's been subjected to really heavy therapy [and medication, ahem]. There are truths you reject and you'll never be accepted by everyone but you can't get over it, so you lash out against anyone who doesn't think like you. Too bad. Then you call it hate, aggression and why not, 'violence' too (I wouldn't be surprised if this thread hasn't been reported for "hate" or "violence" already). But based on how you have written you are the violent one here, and the one who's displaying real intolerance and hate in the thread. You and those like you are nothing but a bunch of losers, spineless for straight up discussion about these kinds of things.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Feb 21, 2017 1:37:01 GMT
I'm saying everyone should be setting in stone their intentions rather than being grandfathered in by weak, archaic government rules. There are other, better reasons why gay marriage should be secularly legal. Financial planning is not one of them. In that case, heterosexual marriage should be abolished as well. I believe that homosexual and heterosexual couples should be treated equally. Whether this means that they all can marry or none can... I don't really care. I have never been in a romantic relationship, so I don't have a dog in the fight. Not abolished since that would be impossible. However, it is far better for people to work out their own marriages than expect a government to figure out for them. The best option would be for the government to step aside from marriage altogether.
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Post by j2 on Feb 21, 2017 1:52:54 GMT
Not crying at all, just calling it as I see it (I wasn't the one screaming around like a little beast a while back). The proof is in the posts. You don't like the way I think so you go into full "attack" mode. Except it's a pathetic "attack". It doesn't work on me and it doesn't change the sad truth of your position. You are pathetic and you can't hold a calm rational discussion about the truths you don't like to hear; you can't face truth. That's because you don't have a spine for it; how could you when you must hate such truth? So you call me precisely the things I think you have inside. Doesn't change the facts, and now you're a keyboard shrink too, aren't you. Laughable. Look at the posts and look into the mirror. Who's been aggressive here? Based on your posts you are the irrational one, and once again, I wouldn't be surprised if it isn't you who's been subjected to really heavy therapy [and medication, ahem]. There are truths you reject and you'll never be accepted by everyone but you can't get over it, so you lash out against anyone who doesn't think like you. Too bad. Then you call it hate, aggression and why not, 'violence' too (I wouldn't be surprised if this thread hasn't been reported for "hate" or "violence" already). But based on how you have written you are the violent one here, and the one who's displaying real intolerance and hate in the thread. You and those like you are nothing but a bunch of losers, spineless for straight up discussion about these kinds of things. Except the way you call it and see it, is born out of your own denial and ignorance regarding homosexuality. Now please tell me, what is this "truth" you are talking about, that you think I can't see and that you can? You can't just throw around a term, when you haven't explained yourself properly to what you see as the "truth". Or are you just going to skirt around this, so you don't incriminate yourself, like the passive aggressive bully you really are? And yes, your comebacks are "pathetic" attacks on me, homosexuality and how you perceive it. I bet due to lack of self-awareness and introspection, you can't even bear to look at yourself in the mirror, as you won't like what you see, let alone what you find when you go deeper within to uncover this disturbing "truth" that is so important to you. I couldn't care less who likes me or who doesn't. I am not self-entitled like you or need medication to appease any insecurities I have about homos shoving their agenda down my throat; but I will speak my own truth about the ignorant and hateful ways you project your homophobia and not to mention the "unhealthy" scorn, contempt and disdain you hold for it. That is just the sick package you come with, and like you said earlier, you take a stance about those that you feel are pushing their agenda onto you in your own home— you haven't even addressed this point I bought up with you—so then I will take a stance against your denial, obtuseness and vapid stupidity. Macbeth.
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Post by goz on Feb 21, 2017 3:14:39 GMT
@ oldsamvines That is not what I have heard about Homosexual marriage in Canada. I will also add that the Homo's have been really annoying here in Australia about this and as a result they have pissed a lot of people off. In fact we were supposed to have a plebiscite on this topic this year but as they now fear they will lose this they are trying to push the Govt just to make it legal. So no. Fuck them. This is completely untrue. 65% of all Australians support marriage equality. The plebiscite was dumped because it would be to expensive and non-binding, no matter the result.
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Post by althea on Feb 21, 2017 5:26:48 GMT
I am really sorry that you think it's hate that we feel, it's not. There's so much I could say about your other points but not here. Let me build this scenario for you and I want you answer honestly. Don't answer around it, don't ignore the entire post and only pick bits and pieces to respond to. Please read the whole thing and answer. My family does not approve of my partner and told me they don't want to meet him or have anything to do with him. So let's say he and I eventually move in together and are together for many years, and do not get married. I get into a car accident and am rushed into the emergency room where I am in critical condition and not conscious. My partner is contacted by the ER and he rushes to the hospital. However they tell him that he's not allowed in to see me because it's family only. My parents arrive to see me and tell my partner that he's not welcome and to leave. My parents are in the room with me as I die. Later on, my partner is not allowed to plan or be at my funeral. I was a business owner and he is a college student. So that means I was the breadwinner. The home we were living in was in my name so my family wants to claim it and kick him out. All my savings and accounts become accessible to my family and not to my partner. Now if all of this could have been avoided if we had been married and he had LEGAL right to be with me in my final moments and also had LEGAL right to the home and finances I worked hard to build for our security, do you still have a problem with gay marriage? Where I live, if you live together in such a relationship you have rights over the family, even over the spouse if there is one, in such medical situations. That sort of discrimination can be rectified with legislation that has nothing at all to do with marriage law, instead of just changing the goal posts as to which relationships are discriminated against in those situations and which are not. ...and even though all those legal rights are afforded to gay couples who live together in de facto marriages in my state, there is still a sizeable proportion of the population (most polls put it in the 70-80% region) who support gay marriage, which is illegal here.
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Post by awhina on Feb 21, 2017 5:37:15 GMT
You don't seem to know what my mind is on the issue! I do know what your mind is on the issue. It's just that your opinions are factually wrong. I care if heterosexuals mess up the lives of their children, too. False. Women do just that, all the time. No. The thread is about "gay marriage". Not male gay marriage. Everything you've said in this entire thread is demonstrably factually incorrect. Incidentally, the inability of people like yourself to come up with ANY argument against gay marriage that isn't obviously based in ignorance or lies is exactly why you lost the culture war on this topic. Gay marriage is legal today in large part thanks to people like you. So thanks for that. I said that I don't care if homosexuals "marry" so no, you don't know my mind on the issue.
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Post by awhina on Feb 21, 2017 5:40:51 GMT
I am really sorry that you think it's hate that we feel, it's not. There's so much I could say about your other points but not here. Let me build this scenario for you and I want you answer honestly. Don't answer around it, don't ignore the entire post and only pick bits and pieces to respond to. Please read the whole thing and answer. My family does not approve of my partner and told me they don't want to meet him or have anything to do with him. So let's say he and I eventually move in together and are together for many years, and do not get married. I get into a car accident and am rushed into the emergency room where I am in critical condition and not conscious. My partner is contacted by the ER and he rushes to the hospital. However they tell him that he's not allowed in to see me because it's family only. My parents arrive to see me and tell my partner that he's not welcome and to leave. My parents are in the room with me as I die. Later on, my partner is not allowed to plan or be at my funeral. I was a business owner and he is a college student. So that means I was the breadwinner. The home we were living in was in my name so my family wants to claim it and kick him out. All my savings and accounts become accessible to my family and not to my partner. Now if all of this could have been avoided if we had been married and he had LEGAL right to be with me in my final moments and also had LEGAL right to the home and finances I worked hard to build for our security, do you still have a problem with gay marriage? Why do you keep ignoring that I have said (many, many times now!) that I don't have a problem with homosexuals getting married?. My problem is with their messing up the lives of children. If you want to marry for only legal/financial reasons, you're playing into the assumptions people already make.
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Post by awhina on Feb 21, 2017 6:05:54 GMT
I had forgotten that he had died but I could not have learned that information on the other board it you had not volunteered it. I "volunteered" it to correct supes' (or Proggy's) lie that I had been divorced 3 times. ![](http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e41/imdbv2/imdbsmileys/bigeek.gif)
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Post by awhina on Feb 21, 2017 6:14:51 GMT
I have been answering that question over the past few days. Rather than reading through a bunch of your posts and trying to figure out what you count as an answer to this, could you just succinctly answer it for me? "They're not socially/culturally married because ________"? Because society accepts and always has, that marriage is between one man and one woman. "Homsexual = homo superior" is a new meme, 30 years old at most.
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Post by awhina on Feb 21, 2017 6:19:15 GMT
What if those children are homosexual? Would you care about them? How do you know women don't voluntary leave their children? Do you just pull things straight out of you a$$? It can't be from that little dried up pea you have for a brain. Yes, we know you have an issue with MALE homosexuals. Is it because these men aren't sexually attracted to you and you can't use and manipulate them to get what you want? Children are not born homosexual. It's not innate, it's a choice even if it's one made by a young teenager who tells himself now he's 45 that he "always was" a homosexual. (That way he evades responsibility for his lifestyle). I am not interested in random males who may or many not be interested - I have male friends, and don't need to care what strangers think.
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Post by awhina on Feb 21, 2017 6:21:37 GMT
Forget it mate... You are trying to talk sense to, at best a troll, at worst an emotionally damaged, and intellectually challenged individual... God help me, I'm still gonna try. At least this once. I answered you. Why are you judging me by his prejudice? That is not wjat a moderator should do. ![](http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e41/imdbv2/imdbsmileys/sad.gif)
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Post by awhina on Feb 21, 2017 6:29:06 GMT
Careful now... She has 'viking blood', or some other whack-job shit. Thank you for "helpfully" channelling supes. You do know of course that he's lying? He is a stalker and I never said he was a "spousal abuser" but that he claims I did, shows that someone somewhere made that accusation...
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