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Post by j2 on Feb 21, 2017 22:01:34 GMT
I take'em as I see'em. You have done little but spray out garbage words against those you dislike. In my view you are trash. I have not suppressed you nor anybody here. Instead, you try to shut awhina up and try to "make" me go away from here (lol). Your words of rage are laid out like excrement right here in your posts. And why is this so? Only because we speak our minds just like anybody else would. You, like the imdb bastards, are sCUM. It is in fact very good to identify. So all you do is speak your mind and claim that my words of rage are like excrement, yet I am trash, a bastard and scum just like other IMDB posters because they are speaking their minds. These are your terms. Why are you the only one who gets to speak their mind? And yes, you are very easy to dislike and your mental disorders are easy to identify. What I said about you is based on your own words posted here, and what I said holds true. Your words are like excrement (to not say like shit) because you spoke things unbased which were supposed to "insult" me; utter crap coming forth from your "treasure" inside. You are trash if you behave that way, and in my view you are sCUM just like the imdb people because you would have me leave this place and not post again, just because I say what I think about this and other subjects and you don't like it.
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Post by j2 on Feb 21, 2017 22:20:33 GMT
I won't explain it because I haven't said such a thing. Those are your words; keep them to yourself and don't try to place them onto me. Sometimes it does take sound to see color after all. If you feel the discussion isnt balanced but no one is preventing you from posting then I dont see the problem. If you feel a certain side or point isnt being made then you can make it. If you feel it isnt balanced because not enough people are agreeing with you then I dont know what to tell you about that. Well thanks for trying to tell me something here but you assumptions are all placed against my stand. It is a poor game of logic and you don't do it well. Nice try, though. This is not about 'feelings'. It is irrelevant if people agree or disagree with me as long as I can post expressions. But whenever anyone tries to attack me in one way or the next, I will post back and that is exactly what I have done. I am already under many labels here just because I came to this thread and "dared" to say things which many of you don't like to hear. Too bad for those of you. Whether you like it or not, not everyone will accept homosexuality. How is that false? The term 'asexual' was formed to describe a nature of biology where no sex organs are observed. How is that wrong? Many people view homosexuality as wrong. Is that a lie? I don't care about homosexuals as long as they keep their abnormal practice away from me. That is my choice. Can I have a choice? Basically those are the things I've said and I've had several users lash out against me for doing so. You are on their side as well. The only reason I nentioned the word 'balance' here is because you mentioned the BS of "equal rights".
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Post by Blue on Feb 21, 2017 22:36:42 GMT
If you feel the discussion isnt balanced but no one is preventing you from posting then I dont see the problem. If you feel a certain side or point isnt being made then you can make it. If you feel it isnt balanced because not enough people are agreeing with you then I dont know what to tell you about that. Well thanks for trying to tell me something here but you assumptions are all placed against my stand. It is a poor game of logic and you don't do it well. Nice try, though. This is not about 'feelings'. It is irrelevant if people agree or disagree with me as long as I can post expressions. But whenever anyone tries to attack me in one way or the next, I will post back and that is exactly what I have done. I am already under many labels here just because I came to this thread and "dared" to say things which many of you don't like to hear. Too bad for those of you. Whether you like it or not, not everyone will accept homosexuality. How is that false? The term 'asexual' was formed to describe a nature of biology where no sex organs are observed. How is that wrong? Many people view homosexuality as wrong. Is that a lie? I don't care about homosexuals as long as they keep their abnormal practice away from me. That is my choice. Can I have a choice? Basically those are the things I've said and I've had several users lash out against me for doing so. You are on their side as well. The only reason I nentioned the word 'balance' here is because you mentioned the BS of "equal rights".Two contradictory statements. Gays having equal rights to marry doesn't affect you in the slightest. You're not being forced to marry a gay person. By actively being against the notion of gay marriage, you are actually pushing your own agenda on people who believe otherwise. That is the problem that people are having with your stance. By not caring, you would be doing just that: NOT caring; leave people to do what they're going to do. But by going around saying "No gay's cant get married, it's a perversion!" Then you are involving yourself in the debate. So, no, you do care. You actually care a lot. That is why you've posted in this thread a ton.
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Post by awhina on Feb 21, 2017 22:47:34 GMT
Why do you keep ignoring that I have said (many, many times now!) that I don't have a problem with homosexuals getting married?. My problem is with their messing up the lives of children. If you want to marry for only legal/financial reasons, you're playing into the assumptions people already make. I think you're completely missing my point. I'm clearly demonstrating why gay people should have the same rights and benefits that come with marriage. Obviously one should get married with someone they love, not JUST for the benefits. But of course, that's the aspect of my post you are responding to, not the whole post. And you clearly don't agree with gay marriage as you keep referring to it as gays getting "married" like it's some pretend make-believe thing. And now you're saying that you don't have a problem with it, only that gay people screw up children. I have no words. You're a nice little old lady on other topics, but whether you want to admit it or not, your stance comes from a place of prejudice and hate. I answered you. Why are you judging me by (Father Jack Hackett's) prejudice? That is not wjat a moderator should do. I may be a moderator, but I have every right to participate on the boards as you do. I don't necessarily agree with him that you are a troll, but I think you're a person with VERY limited, warped view of the world. By the way, I have to adhere to the rules just like every one else. I don't misuse my power as a mod. There are other mods as well as the admin who makes sure we all act fairly. The prejudice and the hate are on your part not mine - aside from anything else what gives you the right to call me a "little old lady"?
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Post by j2 on Feb 21, 2017 22:50:26 GMT
Well thanks for trying to tell me something here but you assumptions are all placed against my stand. It is a poor game of logic and you don't do it well. Nice try, though. This is not about 'feelings'. It is irrelevant if people agree or disagree with me as long as I can post expressions. But whenever anyone tries to attack me in one way or the next, I will post back and that is exactly what I have done. I am already under many labels here just because I came to this thread and "dared" to say things which many of you don't like to hear. Too bad for those of you. Whether you like it or not, not everyone will accept homosexuality. How is that false? The term 'asexual' was formed to describe a nature of biology where no sex organs are observed. How is that wrong? Many people view homosexuality as wrong. Is that a lie? I don't care about homosexuals as long as they keep their abnormal practice away from me. That is my choice. Can I have a choice? Basically those are the things I've said and I've had several users lash out against me for doing so. You are on their side as well. The only reason I nentioned the word 'balance' here is because you mentioned the BS of "equal rights".Two contradictory statements. Gays having equal rights to marry doesn't affect you in the slightest. You're not being forced to marry a gay person. By actively being against the notion of gay marriage, you are actually pushing your own agenda on people who believe otherwise. That is the problem that people are having with your stance. By not caring, you would be doing just that: NOT caring; leave people to do what they're going to do. But by going around saying "No gay's cant get married, it's a perversion!" Then you are involving yourself in the debate. So, no, you do care. You actually care a lot. That is why you've posted in this thread a ton. Don't get too emotional. Where have I spoken about marriage here? And of course I'm in the debate, or what is this here? Since homosexuals haven't been happy to live their lives as they want to and since instead they (you) have tried to force ALL of us to see your practices as normal (by laws, by indoctrination, politics), then I HAVE to care, or isn't that obvious? I am against the homosexual agenda. I must oppose it; that's just how it is. That doesn't mean I can't have a conversation with homosexuals or with anybody else. I'm talking to you now. But don't think for a second I'll be a hypocrite and say things to you or to others just to be "nice" like snakes. Not gonna happen. Now point to me what I have said that is false here.
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Post by awhina on Feb 21, 2017 22:50:28 GMT
I said that I don't care if homosexuals "marry" so no, you don't know my mind on the issue. Ada telling lies. It's just like old times! "ADA" IS NOT HERE, CLOWN! !
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Post by Blue on Feb 21, 2017 22:53:39 GMT
I think you're completely missing my point. I'm clearly demonstrating why gay people should have the same rights and benefits that come with marriage. Obviously one should get married with someone they love, not JUST for the benefits. But of course, that's the aspect of my post you are responding to, not the whole post. And you clearly don't agree with gay marriage as you keep referring to it as gays getting "married" like it's some pretend make-believe thing. And now you're saying that you don't have a problem with it, only that gay people screw up children. I have no words. You're a nice little old lady on other topics, but whether you want to admit it or not, your stance comes from a place of prejudice and hate. I may be a moderator, but I have every right to participate on the boards as you do. I don't necessarily agree with him that you are a troll, but I think you're a person with VERY limited, warped view of the world. By the way, I have to adhere to the rules just like every one else. I don't misuse my power as a mod. There are other mods as well as the admin who makes sure we all act fairly. The prejudice and the hate are on your part not mine - aside from anything else what gives you the right to call me a "little old lady"? Uh, you did? In another thread, you jokingly called yourself that. I was lightheartedly saying it back to you, but I guess that was lost on you. And you're doing it again. I give you a very thought out argument and you choose to focus on such minor things and ignore the rest. This is why people refer to you as a troll. You don't know how to have a proper discussion. Whatever I'm going to say, you're just going to ignore it because as far as you're considered you're right and I'm wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2017 22:57:39 GMT
If you feel the discussion isnt balanced but no one is preventing you from posting then I dont see the problem. If you feel a certain side or point isnt being made then you can make it. If you feel it isnt balanced because not enough people are agreeing with you then I dont know what to tell you about that. Well thanks for trying to tell me something here but you assumptions are all placed against my stand. It is a poor game of logic and you don't do it well. Nice try, though. This is not about 'feelings'. It is irrelevant if people agree or disagree with me as long as I can post expressions. But whenever anyone tries to attack me in one way or the next, I will post back and that is exactly what I have done. I am already under many labels here just because I came to this thread and "dared" to say things which many of you don't like to hear. Too bad for those of you. Whether you like it or not, not everyone will accept homosexuality. How is that false? The term 'asexual' was formed to describe a nature of biology where no sex organs are observed. How is that wrong? Many people view homosexuality as wrong. Is that a lie? I don't care about homosexuals as long as they keep their abnormal practice away from me. That is my choice. Can I have a choice? Basically those are the things I've said and I've had several users lash out against me for doing so. You are on their side as well. The only reason I nentioned the word 'balance' here is because you mentioned the BS of "equal rights". Really I am on the side of free speech. If someone started saying you couldnt give an opposing point of view I would be the 1st person defending you, no matter my feelings on what you were saying. You seem to be upset about the reactions you getting from others, I get that. That is the price we all pay for the freedom to express ourselves. Feelings get hurt on both sides and that is sad but there is no way to prevent it. Your feelings hurt others they way theirs hurt you. If every thing someone says that hurt you wasnt allowed you would have to not be allowed to express any feeling that might upset someone else. The world would be silent. Being heard is more important than feelings, on both sides. It isnt about being right or wrong, that is subjective. If you take part in discussion, especially controversial ones where your opinion is in the minority, you are probably going to get a lot of 'hate'. You have to learn to brush it off or give as good as you get. If the reactions you get are too much for you then maybe the cost is too high for you. After all it is just the internet and if you find you are getting more frustration than enjoyment out of something you have to wonder why you are doing it. Really it comes down to just needing a thicker skin. It is hard to have opposing points of view, I do when it comes to many issues so I can sympathize with you there. In the end I have decided being heard is more important to me than my feelings. You might decide differently.
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Post by awhina on Feb 21, 2017 22:59:51 GMT
Why does she say it then? I don't know why he or she says it. But based on what has been said before I don't think it's because of what you said in that last post. Two "homophobes" gone, two to go? Why am I not surprised? Homosexuals have such a problem with opposing views, so why have they been appointed moderator?
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Post by awhina on Feb 21, 2017 23:08:15 GMT
The prejudice and the hate are on your part not mine - aside from anything else what gives you the right to call me a "little old lady"? Uh, you did? In another thread, you jokingly called yourself that. I was lightheartedly saying it back to you, but I guess that was lost on you. And you're doing it again. I give you a very thought out argument and you choose to focus on such minor things and ignore the rest. This is why people refer to you as a troll. You don't know how to have a proper discussion. Whatever I'm going to say, you're just going to ignore it because as far as you're considered you're right and I'm wrong. Congratulations on having already got rid of two opposing views, and deleting two "homophobes". Very predictable. My haviny called myself a little old lady as a joke on another thread does not give you the right to use wasn expression of hate.
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Post by Blue on Feb 21, 2017 23:09:22 GMT
Two contradictory statements. Gays having equal rights to marry doesn't affect you in the slightest. You're not being forced to marry a gay person. By actively being against the notion of gay marriage, you are actually pushing your own agenda on people who believe otherwise. That is the problem that people are having with your stance. By not caring, you would be doing just that: NOT caring; leave people to do what they're going to do. But by going around saying "No gay's cant get married, it's a perversion!" Then you are involving yourself in the debate. So, no, you do care. You actually care a lot. That is why you've posted in this thread a ton. Don't get too emotional. Where have I spoken about marriage here? And of course I'm in the debate, or what is this here? Since homosexuals haven't been happy to live their lives as they want to and since instead they (you) have tried to force ALL of us to see your practices as normal (by laws, by indoctrination, politics), then I HAVE to care, or isn't that obvious? I am against the homosexual agenda. I must oppose it; that's just how it is. That doesn't mean I can't have a conversation with homosexuals or with anybody else. I'm talking to you now. But don't think for a second I'll be a hypocrite and say things to you or to others just to be "nice" like snakes. Not gonna happen. Now point to me what I have said that is false here. No one is forcing you to care. You can choose to let LGBT people get married and it won't impact you in the slightest. The only reason it bothers you is because you view gay people with contempt. You see enemies where there aren't. You think that all gay people are hiding around the corner trying to make you gay or something. It's actually very simple. Gays getting married is not much different than women being allowed to vote and the ending of segregation in the US. It's one step closer for everyone having equal rights. And that seems to bother you. Think of it this way: You're saying gays shouldn't get married because of x It's the same as saying women shouldn't vote because of x OR Black people shouldn't have the same rights as whites because of x OR All Muslims should be banned from immigrating because of x OR Businesses shouldn't have to accommodate the disabled because of x And you're damn right I'm gonna get emotional if people constantly refer to my partner and I and potential family as a perversion, immoral, a threat to children, pedophiles, pariahs, etc.
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Post by puvo on Feb 21, 2017 23:10:28 GMT
Ada telling lies. It's just like old times! "ADA" IS NOT HERE, CLOWN! ! In what way is the poster who typed the posts for ada not here? Nobody else seems to make a distinction between posters when one person changes the name they post under. You are ada. Not even sure why you care about being referred to as ada. Its strange.
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Post by progressiveelement on Feb 21, 2017 23:13:16 GMT
I don't know why he or she says it. But based on what has been said before I don't think it's because of what you said in that last post. Two "homophobes" gone, two to go? Why am I not surprised? Homosexuals have such a problem with opposing views, so why have they been appointed moderator? Because that attitude surely won't put you on their shit list.
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Post by Blue on Feb 21, 2017 23:15:40 GMT
Uh, you did? In another thread, you jokingly called yourself that. I was lightheartedly saying it back to you, but I guess that was lost on you. And you're doing it again. I give you a very thought out argument and you choose to focus on such minor things and ignore the rest. This is why people refer to you as a troll. You don't know how to have a proper discussion. Whatever I'm going to say, you're just going to ignore it because as far as you're considered you're right and I'm wrong. Congratulations on having already got rid of two opposing views, and deleting two "homophobes". Very predictable. My haviny called myself a little old lady as a joke on another thread does not give you the right to use wasn expression of hate. They were not deleted or banned. They left on their own because other users had a problem with their hate speech. The admin and another moderator PMed them with a warning and both left by choice. Because some of their hate speech involved LGBT people, I made it a point to not get involved with those users as a moderator. I left that to the others I find it very amusing that you are so offended that I lightheartedly referred you to you as a little old lady, and you are saying things like gay people are screwing up the lives of children and you expect people to be okay with it. I have been very civil with you and I've made an effort to get along with you outside of these kinds of discussions. If you want to paint yourself as a victim that is completely your choice but I'm all about transparency. And for the record, I apologize for calling you a little old lady. I hope you can apologize too for the awful things you've said.
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Post by Blue on Feb 21, 2017 23:21:02 GMT
I don't know why he or she says it. But based on what has been said before I don't think it's because of what you said in that last post. Two "homophobes" gone, two to go? Why am I not surprised? Homosexuals have such a problem with opposing views, so why have they been appointed moderator? I'm a moderator because I am able to set aside my personal views and to allow people to freely discuss things among each other. I am not biased toward either left or right. As a moderator, I'm an advocate for freedom of speech and my main job is watch the boards for the pornographic spam that we've been hit with a few times already. I'm not here to police your political views. That is why your hateful and bigoted posts are still there for everyone to see and you have not been banned. Any personal issues I have with your posts, I deal with it like any other user by taking part in discussion.
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Post by awhina on Feb 21, 2017 23:21:05 GMT
I don't care as I have said around 6 or 7 times now. But that hasn't saved me from vicious attack. Having come here after a night of sleep I see that the moderators have already deleted two "homophobes" so I had better be quick to say that it is sadly predictable. Free speech? Only for some it seems.
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Post by Blue on Feb 21, 2017 23:25:32 GMT
I don't care as I have saif around 6 or 7 times now. But that hasn't saved me from vicious attack. Having come here after a night of sleep I see that the moderators have already deleted two "homophobes" so I hsd better be quick to say that it is sadly predictable. Free speech? Only for some it seems. Clearly you choose to ignore facts right in front of you. Those two users left by their own choice as I've explained. They were not banned. And the reports in question actually had nothing to do with this specific thread at all. If you don't believe me, ask any of the other moderators or the admin himself. But you won't. Because you don't care to see reason and logic.
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Post by j2 on Feb 21, 2017 23:42:10 GMT
Well thanks for trying to tell me something here but you assumptions are all placed against my stand. It is a poor game of logic and you don't do it well. Nice try, though. This is not about 'feelings'. It is irrelevant if people agree or disagree with me as long as I can post expressions. But whenever anyone tries to attack me in one way or the next, I will post back and that is exactly what I have done. I am already under many labels here just because I came to this thread and "dared" to say things which many of you don't like to hear. Too bad for those of you. Whether you like it or not, not everyone will accept homosexuality. How is that false? The term 'asexual' was formed to describe a nature of biology where no sex organs are observed. How is that wrong? Many people view homosexuality as wrong. Is that a lie? I don't care about homosexuals as long as they keep their abnormal practice away from me. That is my choice. Can I have a choice? Basically those are the things I've said and I've had several users lash out against me for doing so. You are on their side as well. The only reason I nentioned the word 'balance' here is because you mentioned the BS of "equal rights". Really I am on the side of free speech. If someone started saying you couldnt give an opposing point of view I would be the 1st person defending you, no matter my feelings on what you were saying. You seem to be upset about the reactions you getting from others, I get that. That is the price we all pay for the freedom to express ourselves. Feelings get hurt on both sides and that is sad but there is no way to prevent it. Your feelings hurt others they way theirs hurt you. If every thing someone says that hurt you wasnt allowed you would have to not be allowed to express any feeling that might upset someone else. The world would be silent. Being heard is more important than feelings, on both sides. It isnt about being right or wrong, that is subjective. If you take part in discussion, especially controversial ones where your opinion is in the minority, you are probably going to get a lot of 'hate'. You have to learn to brush it off or give as good as you get. If the reactions you get are too much for you then maybe the cost is too high for you. After all it is just the internet and if you find you are getting more frustration than enjoyment out of something you have to wonder why you are doing it. Really it comes down to just needing a thicker skin. It is hard to have opposing points of view, I do when it comes to many issues so I can sympathize with you there. In the end I have decided being heard is more important to me than my feelings. You might decide differently. You're trying to place a lot of things on me. You speak of "hurt", "feelings" and such things, things which I haven't said nor felt. If you were truly for free speech you would be addressing "equally" the homosexuals here who have already tried to stack up. 'Nuff said.
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Post by MightyMikey on Feb 21, 2017 23:43:30 GMT
awhina has a point. A forum is a place where people come to debate. A moderator in a debate doesn't interject an opinion. The same can be said for a referee who chooses a favorite team.
You can't expect some one to fairly enforce the rules if you know they are adamantly against your viewpoint.
If the admin are also to the extreme left, then I can only estimate that there will be a mass exodus of conservatives, and you can have a Huffpo circle jerk where you all agree with yourselves.
I can only imagine that those people left because they were unfairly called out as trolls because they disagreed with a short sighted moderator.
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Post by Blue on Feb 21, 2017 23:51:54 GMT
awhina has a point. A forum is a place where people come to debate. A moderator in a debate doesn't interject an opinion. The same can be said for a referee who chooses a favorite team. You can't expect some one to fairly enforce the rules if you know they are adamantly against your viewpoint. If the admin are also to the extreme left, then I can only estimate that there will be a mass exodus of conservatives, and you can have a Huffpo circle jerk where you all agree with yourselves. I can only imagine that those people left because they were unfairly called out as trolls because they disagreed with a short sighted moderator. If that were the case, would this thread or any similar threads still be around? I personally did not want one of the users to leave. The admin actually tried to have her stay. She left because she didn't like that users were reporting her for racist posts and the admin asked her to tone it down. She didn't even get a formal warning. She requested to have her posts deleted and she left. If you read other threads, especially the one regarding our ToS, our stance as moderators is clear. We just want to remove unwanted pornographic spam as quickly as possible and we need active mods to do that. We also advocate for free speech. However due to ProBoard's separate ToS that supersedes ours, some user activity simply isn't tolerated and we have to remove it or else we risk losing this board. We take all reports on a case by case basis and we only intervene if it's a threat to the site.
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