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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Feb 26, 2017 17:37:08 GMT
Nice try at deflection.
Have any of the other posters thought of a way that you benefit society?
I didn't deflect anything. So that would be a No? you can't think of a way that homosexuality benefits society. That's what I thought. Quite frankly, I think that the human overpopulation of this planet is going destroy it. My motto is 'Save the planet - kill yourself'. So, yes, homosexuality does benefit society - they are not reproducing themselves. As I have, by not reproducing myself, and I am straight but not narrow. Ever hear of ZPG?
And, again, how do YOU benefit society? Since you think that homosexuals must qualify themselves as a benefit to society, the same question applies to you. Judge not lest ye be judged. (Yeah, I know bible verses, having been raised in religion and then rejecting it in favor of science, logic and reason).
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Post by blade on Feb 26, 2017 17:44:32 GMT
I didn't deflect anything. So that would be a No? you can't think of a way that homosexuality benefits society. That's what I thought. Quite frankly, I think that the human overpopulation of this planet is going destroy it. My motto is 'Save the planet - kill yourself'. So, yes, homosexuality does benefit society - they are not reproducing themselves. As I have, by not reproducing myself, and I am straight but not narrow. Ever hear of ZPG?
And, again, how do YOU benefit society? Since you think that homosexuals must qualify themselves as a benefit to society, the same question applies to you. Judge not lest ye be judged. (Yeah, I know bible verses, having been raised in religion and then rejecting it in favor of science, logic and reason).
Some heterosexuals don't have children either. So try again. How does homosexuality benefit society? tick tock tick tock.
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Feb 26, 2017 17:55:11 GMT
Quite frankly, I think that the human overpopulation of this planet is going destroy it. My motto is 'Save the planet - kill yourself'. So, yes, homosexuality does benefit society - they are not reproducing themselves. As I have, by not reproducing myself, and I am straight but not narrow. Ever hear of ZPG?
And, again, how do YOU benefit society? Since you think that homosexuals must qualify themselves as a benefit to society, the same question applies to you. Judge not lest ye be judged. (Yeah, I know bible verses, having been raised in religion and then rejecting it in favor of science, logic and reason).
Some heterosexuals don't have children either. So try again. How does homosexuality benefit society? tick tock tick tock. What part of this answer do you not understand?
So, yes, homosexuality does benefit society - they are not reproducing themselves. As I have, by not reproducing myself, and I am straight but not narrow.
And, again:
And, again, how do YOU benefit society?
tick tock tick tock...
Seriously, don't bother, I'm done with you.
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Post by blade on Feb 26, 2017 18:07:08 GMT
Some heterosexuals don't have children either. So try again. How does homosexuality benefit society? tick tock tick tock. What part of this answer do you not understand?
So, yes, homosexuality does benefit society - they are not reproducing themselves. As I have, by not reproducing myself, and I am straight but not narrow.
And, again:
And, again, how do YOU benefit society?
tick tock tick tock...
Seriously, don't bother, I'm done with you.
What part of this answer do you not understand?
Some heterosexuals don't have children either. So try again. How does homosexuality benefit society? tick tock tick tock.
And, again, how do YOU benefit society?
By having children. Now answer my question.
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Post by ChaosMonster on Feb 26, 2017 18:13:09 GMT
What part of this answer do you not understand?
So, yes, homosexuality does benefit society - they are not reproducing themselves. As I have, by not reproducing myself, and I am straight but not narrow.
And, again:
And, again, how do YOU benefit society?
tick tock tick tock...
Seriously, don't bother, I'm done with you.
What part of this answer do you not understand?
Some heterosexuals don't have children either. So try again. How does homosexuality benefit society? tick tock tick tock.
And, again, how do YOU benefit society?
By having children. Now answer my question.
Simply having children is not benefiting society. We become a benefit society by loving others and treating others with compassion. Love benefits society. When you can only love because you're expecting something form someone, a benefit, it's not real love. When you demand that someone else benefits you in some way before you can bestow love upon them, you are not a loving person. You should read about Jesus.
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Post by j2 on Feb 26, 2017 18:26:38 GMT
True.
And your statement that there is no scientific support for homosexuality being innate is false.
Just a suggestion, Ada/HelenBlack...awhina, afeena, whatever, pick a name and an avatar and frigging stick with it. The name 'Sybil' comes to mind. Or find a therapist who can integrate all your multiple personalities.
Many scientists disagree with this and data (and/or its lack thereof) agrees with them.
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Post by j2 on Feb 26, 2017 18:29:28 GMT
Rachel did you ever think of a way that homosexuality benefits society? Nice try at deflection.
Have any of the other posters thought of a way that you benefit society?
I have. He's pushing against perversion.
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Feb 26, 2017 18:30:23 GMT
What part of this answer do you not understand?
So, yes, homosexuality does benefit society - they are not reproducing themselves. As I have, by not reproducing myself, and I am straight but not narrow.
And, again:
And, again, how do YOU benefit society?
tick tock tick tock...
Seriously, don't bother, I'm done with you.
What part of this answer do you not understand?
Some heterosexuals don't have children either. So try again. How does homosexuality benefit society? tick tock tick tock.
And, again, how do YOU benefit society?
By having children. Now answer my question.
I have answered it twice - can you not read or count?
Goodbye, have a nice day.
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Post by j2 on Feb 26, 2017 18:33:34 GMT
I didn't deflect anything. So that would be a No? you can't think of a way that homosexuality benefits society. That's what I thought. Quite frankly, I think that the human overpopulation of this planet is going destroy it. My motto is 'Save the planet - kill yourself'. So, yes, homosexuality does benefit society - they are not reproducing themselves. As I have, by not reproducing myself, and I am straight but not narrow. Ever hear of ZPG?
And, again, how do YOU benefit society? Since you think that homosexuals must qualify themselves as a benefit to society, the same question applies to you. Judge not lest ye be judged. (Yeah, I know bible verses, having been raised in religion and then rejecting it in favor of science, logic and reason).
ZPG is a good movie in my opinion. "judge not lest..." has been used effectively against Christians for many years now. So much so that they themselves fell for [the fallacy of] it. They even have it as a motto on these very boards.
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Post by blade on Feb 26, 2017 18:36:31 GMT
What part of this answer do you not understand?
Some heterosexuals don't have children either. So try again. How does homosexuality benefit society? tick tock tick tock.
And, again, how do YOU benefit society?
By having children. Now answer my question.
I have answered it twice - can you not read or count?
Goodbye, have a nice day.
No, you haven't answered it because anyone can not have children. Just like anyone can bake a cake. You don't need to be a homosexual to bake a cake and you don't need to be homosexual to not have children.
You run away like I thought you would. :wave:
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Post by artcurus on Feb 26, 2017 18:37:13 GMT
What part of this answer do you not understand?
Some heterosexuals don't have children either. So try again. How does homosexuality benefit society? tick tock tick tock.
And, again, how do YOU benefit society?
By having children. Now answer my question.
I have answered it twice - can you not read or count?
Goodbye, have a nice day.
bladeJust because heterosexuals can have children doesn't mean they should.
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Post by blade on Feb 26, 2017 18:43:42 GMT
I have answered it twice - can you not read or count?
Goodbye, have a nice day.
blade Just because heterosexuals can have children doesn't mean they should. Thanks captain obvious.
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Feb 26, 2017 18:50:47 GMT
I have answered it twice - can you not read or count?
Goodbye, have a nice day.
No, you haven't answered it because anyone can not have children. Just like anyone can bake a cake. You don't need to be a homosexual to bake a cake and you don't need to be homosexual to not have children.
You run away like I thought you would. :wave:
"To argue with a man who has renounced his sense of reason is like giving medicine to the dead". Thomas Paine
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Post by blade on Feb 26, 2017 18:54:00 GMT
No, you haven't answered it because anyone can not have children. Just like anyone can bake a cake. You don't need to be a homosexual to bake a cake and you don't need to be homosexual to not have children.
You run away like I thought you would. :wave:
"To argue with a man who has renounced his sense of reason is like giving medicine to the dead". Thomas Paine
Your argument was refuted you have nothing left to do but run.
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Post by Blue on Feb 26, 2017 19:50:09 GMT
True.
And your statement that there is no scientific support for homosexuality being innate is false.
Just a suggestion, Ada/HelenBlack...awhina, afeena, whatever, pick a name and an avatar and frigging stick with it. The name 'Sybil' comes to mind. Or find a therapist who can integrate all your multiple personalities.
Rachel did you ever think of a way that homosexuality benefits society?Homosexuality alone can no more affect society than heterosexuality alone does. However, here are examples of how homosexuals have benefited societyIn the US alone, over 22,000 children have been adopted by gay couples. Children that would have otherwise not have been adopted. Considering there are over 100,000 kids needing to be adopted in the US every year, I would say that is a major contribution to society. SOURCE: www.lifelongadoptions.com/lgbt-adoption/lgbt-adoption-statisticsSOURCE: www.goodhousekeeping.com/life/parenting/a35860/adoption-statistics/In the US, gay couples tends to owe less in debt and pull in more income. Typically extra spending money goes right back into the economy which helps it to grow. SOURCE: www.businessinsider.com/census-data-on-gay-households-2015-6SOURCE: www.counterpunch.org/2013/02/04/want-to-fix-the-economy-spend-more-money/
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Feb 26, 2017 19:53:28 GMT
This isn't necessarily true. In fact, the number of adoption opportunities could have went went down simply because many government agencies refuse to work with religious based adoption agencies that only deal in married or heterosexual adoptions according to their beliefs. Plus the barriers to adoption remain higher than needed to begin with for all couples.
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Post by Blue on Feb 26, 2017 19:58:57 GMT
This isn't necessarily true. In fact, the number of adoption opportunities could have went went down simply because many government agencies refuse to work with religious based adoption agencies that only deal in married or heterosexual adoptions according to their beliefs. Plus the barriers to adoption remain higher than needed to begin with for all couples. I used reported statistics to answer a question about how gays have benefited society. Over 22,000 children have been adopted by gays. That is fact. If giving a permanent home to children doesn't qualify as a contribution to society, I don't know what does. If in recent years it is harder to adopt than before, it doesn't negate all the of the legal adoptions that have occurred in the past.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Feb 26, 2017 19:59:42 GMT
This will change as more gay coupes have kids. It's not that straight couples are doing something different except that they have the automatically ability to increase their costs by having kids, spending based on family needs, etc...
I would argue that any single couple is going to be doing better than people who are married with children.
Further, the numbers are so small in comparison to the overall population that it is hardly fair to compare the two.
For example in the census information, the largest city with same sex households is Washington DC with 21.3/1,000. If your sample is only 2-3% at best than it is of course going to be a bit problematic to compare apples to apples.
Add to this that the higher income is kinda negligible since it's only a few thousand extra a year on only 2-3% of the population.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Feb 26, 2017 20:01:50 GMT
This isn't necessarily true. In fact, the number of adoption opportunities could have went went down simply because many government agencies refuse to work with religious based adoption agencies that only deal in married or heterosexual adoptions according to their beliefs. Plus the barriers to adoption remain higher than needed to begin with for all couples. I used reported statistics to answer a question about how gays have benefited society. Over 22,000 children have been adopted by gays. That is fact. If giving a permanent home to children doesn't qualify as a contribution to society, I don't know what does. If in recent years it is harder to adopt than before, it doesn't negate all the of the legal adoptions that have occurred in the past. I understand that, I just disagree with the notion that gay couples actually are the reason as opposed to red tape against particular straight couples. If there were no gay people adopting kids, the slack would be picked up by straight couples if all things were equal which in adoption, they aren't. Now if you had left it at gay couples can make good parents, there would be little to argue there.
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Post by geode on Feb 26, 2017 20:02:27 GMT
I explained why her using the word "science" was not a non sequitur since it logically was associated with the subject at hand. It matters not that you didn't bring it up. A conversation by definition really involves more than one person. A conversation is not limited the way you claim as to not be logical if it broadens. If you start a conversation about hot dogs and I mention putting mustard on them, my doing so is not to be using a non sequitur. And I explained it was a non sequitur because it did not logically follow what I said.
If you start a conversation about hot dogs and I mention putting mustard on them, my doing so is not to be using a non sequitur.
I love strawman arguments.
Sorry I disappointed you then, since this is not a strawman argument.
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