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Post by OldSamVimes on Feb 27, 2017 19:41:17 GMT
Of course 'He' didn't. Just like God never taught that gay marriage was forbidden or wrong. That didn't stop many bigoted religious folk from using the Bible to say that interracial marriage is wrong when it was the social issue of the day. Look it up. "But God did teach that homosexuality is forbidden." --- This is destined to be yet another day when you fail to prove that. God says that homosexuality is evil and forbidden so that would make gay marriage evil and forbidden Einstein.
That didn't stop many bigoted religious folk from using the Bible to say that interracial marriage is wrong when it was the social issue of the day.
There go those moving goal posts that always exist when discussing anything with Sam.
How many thousands of times do you want to have the 'Blade hates gay people and blames it on God' discussion? "God says that homosexuality is evil and forbidden" --- You need to prove that if you want me to treat gay people differently than I treat others. You can't prove it.
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Feb 27, 2017 19:44:32 GMT
Since I am an Atheist, the word "saint" does not compute.
In the instance I detailed, their activism saved many lives; quite possibly yours.
"In other words 'homosexuals are saints'?" is a pretty blatant "I can't acknowledge even a calm summation on the issue without inflating it into something not actually said" response, given that one hardly need be a "saint" in order to draw attention to a social issue, willingly or unwittingly, but let me just say, yours was an incredibly well-thought-out response (especially given who you were addressing initially - a party not known to honestly address such responses) - the activism behind acknowledging what was then "GRID" has underlined improvements in human rights palpably, regardless of the group. You're correct, though - as I mentioned in my other post, what could possibly be the motivation behind asking how a group of individuals, be it homosexuals are people with tattoos or redheads or whatever, "contributes to society" - the implications are more than a little dark and the bigotry sort of shines through. It's a questions based on a flawed premise, wherein the posing of it speaks volumes. Thank you, your reply means a lot to me. I lost friends and loved ones to that disease. It took some of the best and brightest people in my life, and in the world.
"This is not a political issue. This is a health issue. This is not a gay issue. This is a human issue. And I do not intend to be defeated by it. I came here today in the hope that my epitaph would not read that I died of red tape." Roger Gail Lyon
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Post by blade on Feb 27, 2017 19:46:28 GMT
God says that homosexuality is evil and forbidden so that would make gay marriage evil and forbidden Einstein.
That didn't stop many bigoted religious folk from using the Bible to say that interracial marriage is wrong when it was the social issue of the day.
There go those moving goal posts that always exist when discussing anything with Sam.
How many thousands of times do you want to have the 'Blade hates gay people and blames it on God' discussion? "God says that homosexuality is evil and forbidden" --- You need to prove that if you want me to treat gay people differently than I treat others. You can't prove it. Sam realizing he has lost another exchange resorts to the infantile "prove it" "prove God exists" "prove the bible is the word of God" defense.
[eye roll]
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Post by OldSamVimes on Feb 27, 2017 19:49:33 GMT
How many thousands of times do you want to have the 'Blade hates gay people and blames it on God' discussion? "God says that homosexuality is evil and forbidden" --- You need to prove that if you want me to treat gay people differently than I treat others. You can't prove it. Sam realizing he has lost another exchange resorts to the infantile "prove it" "prove God exists" "prove the bible is the word of God" defense.
[eye roll]
If I'm going to think about gay people the way you do, I need to have proof that my bigotry will be completely vindicated by God. If you still think the Bible was written by God then you're stupid. Prove to me that God is against homosexuality and I'll become a bigot like you (and apparently God). You can't do it.
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Post by j2 on Feb 27, 2017 19:55:49 GMT
Just cutting through the 'political "correctness"' BS; seeing things for what they really are. Tell me about it. First they pushed their evil agenda of inter-racial marriage, even though God told us in the Bible that mixing the races is bad. Now they want gay people to get married. Why can people not be more tolerant of our intolerance? Looks like it's time to end our own lives. It's also cutting through your kind of BS. Things are clearer when everyone speaks clearly. Enough of false 'niceness' and 'politeness' just to be accepted by people who despise you anyway. This goes for everybody. Fake 'friends', what for?
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Post by blade on Feb 27, 2017 19:58:41 GMT
Sam realizing he has lost another exchange resorts to the infantile "prove it" "prove God exists" "prove the bible is the word of God" defense.
[eye roll]
If I'm going to think about gay people the way you do, I need to have proof that my bigotry will be completely vindicated by God. If you still think the Bible was written by God then you're stupid. Prove to me that God is against homosexuality and I'll become a bigot like you (and apparently God). You can't do it. Where does God say mixing races is bad, Sam?
You were caught lying for the umpteenth time and now you're desperately trying to change the subject like the dishonest snake you are.
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Post by OldSamVimes on Feb 27, 2017 19:58:45 GMT
Tell me about it. First they pushed their evil agenda of inter-racial marriage, even though God told us in the Bible that mixing the races is bad. Now they want gay people to get married. Why can people not be more tolerant of our intolerance? Looks like it's time to end our own lives. It's also cutting through your kind of BS. Things are clearer when everyone speaks clearly. Enough of false 'niceness' and 'politeness' just to be accepted by people who despise you anyway. This goes for everybody. Fake 'friends', what for? How can you post in a coherent sentence when GAY PEOPLE ARE BEING ACCEPTED IN SOCIETY AND ARE ALLOWED TO GET MARRIED??? Don't you understand what is happening? GAY PEOPLE ARE RUINING MARRIAGE FOR EVERYONE ELSE!!! HOW CAN I ENJOY MY LIFE WHEN OTHER PEOPLE ARE BEING SO INTOLERANT OF MY INTOLERANCE!!!!
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Post by OldSamVimes on Feb 27, 2017 19:59:51 GMT
If I'm going to think about gay people the way you do, I need to have proof that my bigotry will be completely vindicated by God. If you still think the Bible was written by God then you're stupid. Prove to me that God is against homosexuality and I'll become a bigot like you (and apparently God). You can't do it. Where does God say mixing races is bad, Sam?
You were caught lying for the umpteenth time and now you're desperately trying to change the subject like the dishonest snake you are.
A bigot thinks I'm a dishonest snake... I'll somehow survive. Google search 'Bible proof that interracial marriage is bad'.
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Post by blade on Feb 27, 2017 20:04:22 GMT
Where does God say mixing races is bad, Sam?
You were caught lying for the umpteenth time and now you're desperately trying to change the subject like the dishonest snake you are.
A bigot thinks I'm a dishonest snake... I'll somehow survive. So no, Sam can't back up his lie that "God said mixing races is bad"
He's exposed as a liar again.
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Post by OldSamVimes on Feb 27, 2017 20:05:40 GMT
A bigot thinks I'm a dishonest snake... I'll somehow survive. So no, Sam can't back up his lie that "God said mixing races is bad"
He's exposed as a liar again.
Do a google search you idiot. People used religion to justify being against interracial marriage, it's a historical fact.
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Post by j2 on Feb 27, 2017 20:06:00 GMT
It's also cutting through your kind of BS. Things are clearer when everyone speaks clearly. Enough of false 'niceness' and 'politeness' just to be accepted by people who despise you anyway. This goes for everybody. Fake 'friends', what for? How can you post in a coherent sentence when GAY PEOPLE ARE BEING ACCEPTED IN SOCIETY AND ARE ALLOWED TO GET MARRIED??? Don't you understand what is happening? GAY PEOPLE ARE RUINING MARRIAGE FOR EVERYONE ELSE!!! HOW CAN I ENJOY MY LIFE WHEN OTHER PEOPLE ARE BEING SO INTOLERANT OF MY INTOLERANCE!!!! [Forced] laws don't dictate on any mind. Your mockery is useful against yourself.
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Post by OldSamVimes on Feb 27, 2017 20:07:18 GMT
How can you post in a coherent sentence when GAY PEOPLE ARE BEING ACCEPTED IN SOCIETY AND ARE ALLOWED TO GET MARRIED??? Don't you understand what is happening? GAY PEOPLE ARE RUINING MARRIAGE FOR EVERYONE ELSE!!! HOW CAN I ENJOY MY LIFE WHEN OTHER PEOPLE ARE BEING SO INTOLERANT OF MY INTOLERANCE!!!! [Forced] laws don't dictate on any mind. Your mockery is useful against yourself. Just having some fun with a bigot. Maybe the first time ever!!
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Post by blade on Feb 27, 2017 20:12:18 GMT
So no, Sam can't back up his lie that "God said mixing races is bad"
He's exposed as a liar again.
Do a google search you idiot. People used religion to justify being against interracial marriage, it's a historical fact. God nor the bible ever said mixing races was bad you drooling idiot.
People used religion to justify being against interracial marriage, it's a historical fact.
Strawman argument gramps.
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Post by j2 on Feb 27, 2017 20:13:45 GMT
[Forced] laws don't dictate on any mind. Your mockery is useful against yourself. Just having some fun with a bigot. Maybe the first time ever!! Cheers on, then, but of course don't take it hard if fun is had at your expense as well. From my point of view, if the fun is not loaded with ill will, I'm probably one to laugh with it too.
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Post by DairyHeiress on Feb 27, 2017 20:14:50 GMT
OT: what does it mean when it says "deleted member" under a screen name? If they're deleted, how do they post? I genuinely am curious -- seen it several times, not just from one poster here.
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Post by j2 on Feb 27, 2017 20:16:32 GMT
OT: what does it mean when it says "deleted member" under a screen name? If they're deleted, how do they post? I genuinely am curious -- seen it several times, not just from one poster here. Good question. I'd like to know too.
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Post by OldSamVimes on Feb 27, 2017 20:20:26 GMT
Just having some fun with a bigot. Maybe the first time ever!! Cheers on, then, but of course don't take it hard if fun is had at your expense as well. From my point of view, if the fun is not loaded with ill will, I'm probably one to laugh with it too. Go ahead and have a laugh at my expense, I don't take myself seriously.
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Post by Cinemachinery on Feb 27, 2017 20:22:49 GMT
So no, Sam can't back up his lie that "God said mixing races is bad"
He's exposed as a liar again.
Do a google search you idiot. People used religion to justify being against interracial marriage, it's a historical fact. This is usually met with some form of the "It doesn't match my interpretation/my church's/my sect's interpretation, therefore its not the correct interpretation, therefore it never happened" device. But, yes, of course religion in general, and the Bible in particular, has been held up in opposition to miscegenation, and those who did were as firmly convinced of the Bible's relevance on the matter as those today who are convinced otherwise. There are plenty of religious folks who can acknowledge this is an adult fashion with the "Nuh uh" games more often used in defending schoolyard clubs.
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Post by DairyHeiress on Feb 27, 2017 20:27:19 GMT
Where does God say mixing races is bad, Sam?
You were caught lying for the umpteenth time and now you're desperately trying to change the subject like the dishonest snake you are.
A bigot thinks I'm a dishonest snake... I'll somehow survive. Google search 'Bible proof that interracial marriage is bad'. So in your ideal world we should be governed by the bible. We should stone adulterers, we should kill non believers, we should have slaves. Yay. That would be a lovely world. Be a shame not to have a steak on Friday tho as I'd planned. Shoot!
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Post by blade on Feb 27, 2017 20:29:15 GMT
Let's learn what a straw man argument is sam.
Straw man A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument which was not advanced by that opponent.
So you see when you said that "people used religion to justify being against interracial marriage" that wasn't anything I even made a claim about. So that would make your argument a straw man in addition to you being a dumbass and a liar. [wave]
You have a healthy and a happy Sammy boy.
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