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Post by dazz on Jul 13, 2019 14:33:43 GMT
he's the only one not off world or injured as far as we know Isn't Falcon supposed to be the new Captain America? So the new Captain America was off-world? What was he doing off-world? And where the fuck is the original Captain America, the guy who couldn't get into the Army because he was too lazy to exercise and train like the other enlistees but was given a super-PED by the US government to become a super-soldier and protect American lives? He ran off to past just to bang a woman, after the US government spent all that money to give him super-powers so he could protect American lives? Hey scabab you say theres no need for hostility, but when someone repeatedly does the one thing you have told them annoys you and they keep doing so I feel like hostility is earned, may seem silly but intentionally misquoting me because he isn't smart enough to actually form an argument annoys me, and I have told him so many times, yet he continues to do so, he's asking for the abuse....let me give it to him, PLEASE!!!
That or atleast publicly chastise him for his behaviour also, gotta be fair now right?
BTW DC-Fan what does Cap have to do with any of this? are you off your meds again?...was that hostile? I just cant tell these days.
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Post by hobowar on Jul 13, 2019 14:50:38 GMT
Maybe your comprehension skills are a little bit off?
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Post by DC-Fan on Jul 13, 2019 15:00:29 GMT
Isn't Falcon supposed to be the new Captain America? So the new Captain America was off-world? What was he doing off-world? And where the fuck is the original Captain America, the guy who couldn't get into the Army because he was too lazy to exercise and train like the other enlistees but was given a super-PED by the US government to become a super-soldier and protect American lives? He ran off to past just to bang a woman, after the US government spent all that money to give him super-powers so he could protect American lives? DC-Fan what does Cap have to do with any of this?
The US government spent a lot of money to develop the super-PED that gave Cap (who couldn't get into the Army because he was too lazy to exercise and train like the other enlistees) super-powers so he could protect American lives. So where the fuck was Cap when American lives needed saving? Why does SHIELD need to call in a teenager who's immature and irresponsible and orders a killer drone attack on a fellow classmate when they should be calling the guy whom the US government spent a lot of money giving super-powers to so he could protect American lives?
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Post by scabab on Jul 13, 2019 15:09:22 GMT
You're going off track. You brought up four original plot holes of which none were plot holes.
Now you're going on about Captain America even though he has nothing to do with the movie and he's an old man anyway.
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Post by merh on Jul 13, 2019 15:27:54 GMT
DC-Fan what does Cap have to do with any of this?
The US government spent a lot of money to develop the super-PED that gave Cap (who couldn't get into the Army because he was too lazy to exercise and train like the other enlistees) super-powers so he could protect American lives. So where the fuck was Cap when American lives needed saving? Steve Rogers was not acceptable because of his asthma, among other issues. You're saying all he would need to do is exercise so he would no longer have asthma? In the Russos world Steve listened to Tony & had his happily ever after, having already saved the world many times. The world will need to rely on other heroes. On the other hand, Sam isn't a super soldier. He doesn't have the super soldier serum running through his veins so he is a man like Batman or Green Arrow or Hawkeye playing hero. Because Peter is another science brain, not as brilliant as Tony, but he's good. He thinks on his feet. He can come up with ways to defeat his foes. He doesn't give up. He is a hero. He didn't call the drone strike. EDITH did. Peter was given a piece of tech programmed by Tony Stark who had weapons manufacturer base mode. Peter knew there should be a way for "the cloud" to vanish that picture. EDITH's default is kill. Peter's default is save. In playing video games against another person, one can target the other player, but it doesnt kill him in real life. We saw Peter save the life of Vulture. We saw Mysterio without any qualms target innocent teens (Ned, MJ, Betty) to keep his secret. There is a difference & you know it.
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Post by dazz on Jul 13, 2019 15:33:26 GMT
DC-Fan what does Cap have to do with any of this?
The US government spent a lot of money to develop the super-PED that gave Cap (who couldn't get into the Army because he was too lazy to exercise and train like the other enlistees) super-powers so he could protect American lives. So where the fuck was Cap when American lives needed saving? Why does SHIELD need to call in a teenager who's immature and irresponsible and orders a killer drone attack on a fellow classmate when they should be calling the guy whom the US government spent a lot of money giving super-powers to so he could protect American lives? And Cap in return helped save the world 4 times, once pretty much single handed, helped revive half the universe and then helped save the entire universe, also it cost a lot of money to train the average soldier from recruitment to their first assignment, then however much it cost to pay them, house, them continue to train them, medical coverage, transport them and feed them, yet all that is expected of them is to do their job for as long as they are serving, when did Cap sign a lifetime contract to give his entire future to the military or the US government?
Cap served his role for over a decade maybe closer to 15 years, theres nothing wrong with him moving on with his life, just like there is nothing wrong with a soldier retiring when they could keep serving and make General and serve even more, as long as they give their all whilst they are serving is all you should ask.
So stop being so unreasonable.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jul 13, 2019 15:52:48 GMT
Heroes don't order killer drone strikes against high school kids like Peter did or let civilians (many of whom are minors) go to a place where they know an imminent attack is going to happen like Peter did. He didn't call the drone strike. EDITH did. EDITH takes orders and asks for confirmation of those orders. The drone doesn't strike unless given confirmation of the kill order. Peter confirmed the kill order. Peter was given a piece of tech programmed by Tony Stark who had weapons manufacturer base mode. Peter knew there should be a way for "the cloud" to vanish that picture. EDITH's default is kill. Peter's default is save. EDITH's default is to confirm a kill order. The drone doesn't strike unless given confirmation of the kill order. Peter confirmed the kill order.
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Post by poutinep on Jul 13, 2019 17:34:15 GMT
The US government spent a lot of money to develop the super-PED that gave Cap (who couldn't get into the Army because he was too lazy to exercise and train like the other enlistees) super-powers so he could protect American lives. So where the fuck was Cap when American lives needed saving? Why does SHIELD need to call in a teenager who's immature and irresponsible and orders a killer drone attack on a fellow classmate when they should be calling the guy whom the US government spent a lot of money giving super-powers to so he could protect American lives?
So stop being so unreasonable.
jaysus man that's his whole shtick. you're not going to convince him of anything because he's not trying to have an earnest conversation. he just wants to be annoying and waste your time.
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Post by dazz on Jul 13, 2019 17:46:41 GMT
So stop being so unreasonable.
jaysus man that's his whole shtick. you're not going to convince him of anything because he's not trying to have an earnest conversation. he just wants to be annoying and waste your time. You misunderstand I wasn't saying he was unreasonable in the discussion, that we know is a given with him, I was referring to his unreasonable idea that Cap owed his entire existence to servitude, the man was a soldier, he served his country for over a decade he was entitled to retire and have a life god dammit.
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Post by dazz on Jul 13, 2019 17:49:18 GMT
Heroes don't order killer drone strikes against high school kids like Peter did or let civilians (many of whom are minors) go to a place where they know an imminent attack is going to happen like Peter did. Yeah instead they lure an imminent threat into a heavily populated area to try and use the civilians as human shields, right? SHAZAM!
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Post by poutinep on Jul 13, 2019 17:51:14 GMT
jaysus man that's his whole shtick. you're not going to convince him of anything because he's not trying to have an earnest conversation. he just wants to be annoying and waste your time.You misunderstand I wasn't saying he was unreasonable in the discussion, that we know is a given with him, I was referring to his unreasonable idea that Cap owed his entire existence to servitude, the man was a soldier, he served his country for over a decade he was entitled to retire and have a life god dammit.
One is a symptom of the other.
He doesn't actually believe the dumb shit he says here, he just wants to argue because he has no life and needs some attention. He doesn't even watch the movies, which he has proved several times in the last couple weeks alone.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Jul 13, 2019 19:54:36 GMT
I thought you didn't give a shit about Far From Home though link
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Post by ThatGuy on Jul 13, 2019 19:59:35 GMT
Spider-Man is able to assist in more ways than just firing webbing. Against the Water monster he was given the impression that he was helping by saving lives and also by luring the monster to another location. Webs aren't really useful against Sand monsters either but he did just fine using other means in Spider-Man 3. So that's not a plot hole. You're second point isn't even a plot hole either so forget that one. Third point, again that's...also not what a plot hole is... Someone thinking it's better to go to Prague than Paris isn't a plot hole in any way. And for the last one, the event in Prague is called the Festival of Lights which apparently takes place in October. I don't when the movie was supposed to take place but even if it was Summer...this isn't a plot hole either. A plot hole is defined as "an inconsistency in the narrative or character development of a book, film, television programme" A movie that's set in a different universe having a festival on a different month to when we have it in our real life world isn't an inconsistency within the narrative. It's trivia, a useless nitpick. It’s not plot holes so much as horrible plotting and SHIELD gets more moronic and evil by the film. But SHIELD wasn't in this movie.
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Post by merh on Jul 13, 2019 23:25:19 GMT
Heroes don't order killer drone strikes against high school kids like Peter did or let civilians (many of whom are minors) go to a place where they know an imminent attack is going to happen like Peter did. He didn't call the drone strike. EDITH did. EDITH takes orders and asks for confirmation of those orders. The drone doesn't strike unless given confirmation of the kill order. Peter confirmed the kill order. Peter was given a piece of tech programmed by Tony Stark who had weapons manufacturer base mode. Peter knew there should be a way for "the cloud" to vanish that picture. EDITH's default is kill. Peter's default is save. EDITH's default is to confirm a kill order. The drone doesn't strike unless given confirmation of the kill order. Peter confirmed the kill order. Peter didn't know that was what EDITH was doing. When he did, he tried to cancel, but EDITH didnt so Peter stopped the attack himself with his own powers. He fought the drone. He saved his schoolmate. Peter got his friends to the opera so they would be safe. Talos actually is the one who put the kids in danger. Not like they were Skrulls
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Post by DC-Fan on Jul 13, 2019 23:50:22 GMT
Peter didn't know that was what EDITH was doing. When he did, he tried to cancel, but EDITH didnt so Peter stopped the attack himself with his own powers. EDITH asked for confirmation of the kill order and Peter confirmed the kill order. If EDITH had just ordered the attack on Peter's 1st order, then you could make an argument that Peter made a mistake. But EDITH asked Peter for confirmation of the kill order and Peter confirmed the kill order.It's like when you try to delete a file and the computer asks "Are you sure you want to delete this file?". Peter confirmed the kill order so that was no mistake and you have no argument for it being a mistake by Peter. Peter got his friends to the opera so they would be safe. How the fuck was the class safe at the opera?
The opera house was within walking distance from the carnival, where everyone in the class except the chaperones and Ned wanted to go. Peter snuck out of the opera to go to the carnival. Is Peter so stupid that he didn't think any of his classmates would also sneak out of the opera to go to the carnival?Oh wait, if they snuck out, it's their fault right? Even though they didn't know the carnival would be attacked by a fire monster and Peter knew the carnival would be attacked by a fire monster and didn't warn them, it's still their fault, right? So sick and tired of all the lame excuses for these so-called MCU "heroes" who are always selfish and putting civilian lives in danger.
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Post by dazz on Jul 13, 2019 23:58:45 GMT
Peter didn't know that was what EDITH was doing. When he did, he tried to cancel, but EDITH didnt so Peter stopped the attack himself with his own powers. EDITH asked for confirmation of the kill order and Peter confirmed the kill order. If EDITH had just ordered the attack on Peter's 1st order, then you could make an argument that Peter made a mistake. But EDITH asked Peter for confirmation of the kill order and Peter confirmed the kill order.It's like when you try to delete a file and the computer asks "Are you sure you want to delete this file?". Peter confirmed the kill order so that was no mistake and you have no argument for it being a mistake by Peter. Peter got his friends to the opera so they would be safe. How the fuck was the class safe at the opera?
The opera house was within walking distance from the carnival, where everyone in the class except the chaperones and Ned wanted to go. Peter snuck out of the opera to go to the carnival. Is Peter so stupid that he didn't think any of his classmates would also sneak out of the opera to go to the carnival?Oh wait, if they snuck out, it's their fault right? Even though they didn't know the carnival would be attacked by a fire monster and Peter knew the carnival would be attacked by a fire monster and didn't warn them, it's still their fault, right? So sick and tired of all the lame excuses for these so-called MCU "heroes" who are always selfish and putting civilian lives in danger. Then stop watching the movies...problem solved...well except DC would still have countless heroes doing this exact thing, and in actuality not just the fabricated delusions you create in your head, but hey atleast it wont be MCU heroes you would be dealing with right?
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Post by merh on Jul 14, 2019 1:17:16 GMT
Peter didn't know that was what EDITH was doing. When he did, he tried to cancel, but EDITH didnt so Peter stopped the attack himself with his own powers. EDITH asked for confirmation of the kill order and Peter confirmed the kill order. If EDITH had just ordered the attack on Peter's 1st order, then you could make an argument that Peter made a mistake. But EDITH asked Peter for confirmation of the kill order and Peter confirmed the kill order. Doesn't he confirm Brad as the target & tries to stop her once she says it is a drone strike It is a misunderstanding like the gas station in Homecoming where Peter thinks stop while the AI thinks kill. He confirms Brad is the target. He does not say "kill Brad Davis" But the action WAS contained to the small area around the ferris wheel. So yeah, safe. [/b] Oh wait, if they snuck out, it's their fault right? Even though they didn't know the carnival would be attacked by a fire monster and Peter knew the carnival would be attacked by a fire monster and didn't warn them, it's still their fault, right?[/quote] They were expected to be with the class. He isn't responsible for their violating the rules. If you knew Spiderman, you wouldn't say that. This shows you do not know the character. So is God evil for putting humans in the Garden of Eden & they break his rule? It is called free will. There are consequences to exercising it.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jul 14, 2019 1:19:21 GMT
I would like to thank DC-Fan for providing us with free entertainment this summer, allowing himself to be owned so often takes a lot of courage and low self esteem. No alpha would ever allow this, or even a beta, but DC-Fan is something else. He is running for the biggest jester on the world wide web, and he doesn't need YouTube to do it.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jul 14, 2019 1:33:06 GMT
He confirms Brad is the target. That's what I said. EDITH asked Peter to confirm the kill order for Brad and Peter confirmed it. the action WAS contained to the small area around the ferris wheel. So yeah, safe. And 2 of Peter's classmates happen to be on the ferris wheel when the fire monster attacked so they were definitely not safe since they were nearly killed by the fire monster. He isn't responsible for their violating the rules. Peter, who also violated the rules himself, is indeed responsible because if Peter had warned the 2 chaperones, then the class wouldn't even be in Prague. The class was supposed to be in Paris. The only reason the class is in Prague is because: 1. Peter's pals in SHIELD tricked the class into going to Prague instead of Paris. 2. Peter didn't warn the 2 chaperones that Prague would be attacked by a fire monster similar to how Venice was attacked by a water monster.
So yes, Peter AND Peter's pals in SHIELD are all equally responsible. In fact, under the law, Peter and his pals in SHIELD should be charged with negligent homicide (if any of the class was killed) or at the very least reckless endangerment for knowingly leading minors into a situation where they were put in imminent and extreme danger.
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Post by merh on Jul 14, 2019 8:17:15 GMT
He confirms Brad is the target. That's what I said. EDITH asked Peter to confirm the kill order for Brad and Peter confirmed it. The devil is in the detail tou are trying to twist. You know damned well better Twasn't a fire moster, was it? Had Ned listened to his pal who he knows damned well is Spidey, they would have spent their night at the opera. Peter was ghosting Fury, remember? SHIELD is not Peter's friend. Beck surely wasn't as well. Don't give up your day job. Your 2 bit lawyer course isn't worth the paper it's printed on.
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