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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Apr 12, 2017 23:18:33 GMT
I don't mind it, in fact it makes more sense that she would have an accent.
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Post by Skaathar on Apr 12, 2017 23:21:14 GMT
That's not what being fluent means. Fluent means you can express yourself in a language. I'm fluent in Spanish. Yet I still have a noticeable accent when I speak it. There are plenty of foreign professionals who speak the language fluently but still have an accent. Being fluent does not translate to speaking exactly like them. Especially since a country as large as America has a variety of English dialects and accents. Exactly what American should Wonder Woman sound like? A southerner? A Texan? A New Yorker? The Bronx or Brooklyn? Someone from Chicago? Or maybe Minnesota? Each of those places has their own American accent. Heck, there are accents between Americans who are white and Americans who are black. Actually that is what fluency means to speak the language like a Native Speaker. I hate to break it to you but you are not fluent in Spanish if you speak the language and don't sound like somebody in a Spanish Speaking country would. I have heard that comment before "but America has all kinds of accents",still does not change anything about fluency and does not change the fact that WW should still sound American. I hope your last sentence was a joke,if not I don't know what to say. So are you saying that if someone from Peru goes to Barcelona and speaks spanish, they won't be considered "fluent spanish speakers" just because they have a different accent from people in Barcelona? How bout when a British gentleman speaks English in America, will he be considered as not a fluent english speaker because his accent is different? |
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Post by PreachCaleb on Apr 13, 2017 13:21:16 GMT
Nope. That's not what fluent means.
Fluent: "(of a person) able to express oneself easily and articulately."
"(of a person) able to speak or write a particular foreign language easily and accurately."
Nowhere in there does it say to speak exactly like a Native Speaker. Just that you're able to express yourself with no trouble. It says nothing about not having an accent either. As I've said, there are doctors with accents. Yet they have no problem speaking to their patients and communicating what treatments are needed.
Sorry, but if I can speak it and understand it, and they can speak and understand me, that's fluency. More importantly, I understand the various sayings and idioms. That's also part of fluency.
But did you understand it?
Again, which one? Which American should she sound like? A native Brooklyn speaker? A native Texan? A native Minnesotan? I'm curious to see what you think the default American should sound like?
It wasn't a joke. Don't be scared of race. It's ok to discuss it.
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Post by thenewnexus on Apr 14, 2017 9:07:21 GMT
Nope. That's not what fluent means. Fluent: "(of a person) able to express oneself easily and articulately." "(of a person) able to speak or write a particular foreign language easily and accurately." Nowhere in there does it say to speak exactly like a Native Speaker. Just that you're able to express yourself with no trouble. It says nothing about not having an accent either. As I've said, there are doctors with accents. Yet they have no problem speaking to their patients and communicating what treatments are needed. Sorry, but if I can speak it and understand it, and they can speak and understand me, that's fluency. More importantly, I understand the various sayings and idioms. That's also part of fluency. But did you understand it? Again, which one? Which American should she sound like? A native Brooklyn speaker? A native Texan? A native Minnesotan? I'm curious to see what you think the default American should sound like? It wasn't a joke. Don't be scared of race. It's ok to discuss it. That definition helps me out a lot. If you speak a language with ease you will sound like a Native Speaker,doesn't matter if you conversate in said language if you don't sound like a Native Speaker you are not Fluent. My Answer is the Same WW should sound American Gadot clearly doesn't, it's not hard to understand. IDk why you asking What kind of American should she sound like.Also I am not Afraid to talk about race your sentence sounded generalisation. |
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Post by Jerk on Apr 14, 2017 11:38:36 GMT
There are always people making an issue out of nothing. Doesnt mean they are right or wrong though.
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Post by brownstones on Apr 14, 2017 22:12:07 GMT
Nope. That's not what fluent means. Fluent: "(of a person) able to express oneself easily and articulately." "(of a person) able to speak or write a particular foreign language easily and accurately." Nowhere in there does it say to speak exactly like a Native Speaker. Just that you're able to express yourself with no trouble. It says nothing about not having an accent either. As I've said, there are doctors with accents. Yet they have no problem speaking to their patients and communicating what treatments are needed. Sorry, but if I can speak it and understand it, and they can speak and understand me, that's fluency. More importantly, I understand the various sayings and idioms. That's also part of fluency. But did you understand it? Again, which one? Which American should she sound like? A native Brooklyn speaker? A native Texan? A native Minnesotan? I'm curious to see what you think the default American should sound like? It wasn't a joke. Don't be scared of race. It's ok to discuss it. That definition helps me out a lot. If you speak a language with ease you will sound like a Native Speaker,doesn't matter if you conversate in said language if you don't sound like a Native Speaker you are not Fluent. My Answer is the Same WW should sound American Gadot clearly doesn't, it's not hard to understand. IDk why you asking What kind of American should she sound like.Also I am not Afraid to talk about race your sentence sounded generalisation. are you saying if she goes to London she should adopt a British accent there and a US accent in BvS? but what if she's talking to Etta Candy and Steve Trevor? does she put on a British accent for Etta and an American for Steve? |
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Post by Skaathar on Apr 15, 2017 19:15:18 GMT
That's not what being fluent means. Fluent means you can express yourself in a language. I'm fluent in Spanish. Yet I still have a noticeable accent when I speak it. There are plenty of foreign professionals who speak the language fluently but still have an accent. Being fluent does not translate to speaking exactly like them. Especially since a country as large as America has a variety of English dialects and accents. Exactly what American should Wonder Woman sound like? A southerner? A Texan? A New Yorker? The Bronx or Brooklyn? Someone from Chicago? Or maybe Minnesota? Each of those places has their own American accent. Heck, there are accents between Americans who are white and Americans who are black. Actually that is what fluency means to speak the language like a Native Speaker. I hate to break it to you but you are not fluent in Spanish if you speak the language and don't sound like somebody in a Spanish Speaking country would. I have heard that comment before "but America has all kinds of accents",still does not change anything about fluency and does not change the fact that WW should still sound American. I hope your last sentence was a joke,if not I don't know what to say. I find it telling how you keep avoiding my question: If a Brit and an Australian visit America, would you then say they weren't fluent English speakers? |
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Post by brownstones on Apr 15, 2017 22:52:28 GMT
Actually that is what fluency means to speak the language like a Native Speaker. I hate to break it to you but you are not fluent in Spanish if you speak the language and don't sound like somebody in a Spanish Speaking country would. I have heard that comment before "but America has all kinds of accents",still does not change anything about fluency and does not change the fact that WW should still sound American. I hope your last sentence was a joke,if not I don't know what to say. I find it telling how you keep avoiding my question: If a Brit and an Australian visit America, would you then say they weren't fluent English speakers? I think I asked him something similar twice, still waiting for a response. |
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Post by thenewnexus on Apr 16, 2017 10:51:15 GMT
Actually that is what fluency means to speak the language like a Native Speaker. I hate to break it to you but you are not fluent in Spanish if you speak the language and don't sound like somebody in a Spanish Speaking country would. I have heard that comment before "but America has all kinds of accents",still does not change anything about fluency and does not change the fact that WW should still sound American. I hope your last sentence was a joke,if not I don't know what to say. I find it telling how you keep avoiding my question: If a Brit and an Australian visit America, would you then say they weren't fluent English speakers? Actually I answered a similar question, that's another matter and not relevant here nor doesn't Change anything about WW not sounding American. I find it funny how you getting proven wrong but you are still coming at me. Stop you are only making yourself look like a fool. |
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Post by brownstones on Apr 16, 2017 16:25:12 GMT
I find it telling how you keep avoiding my question: If a Brit and an Australian visit America, would you then say they weren't fluent English speakers? Actually I answered a similar question, that's another matter and not relevant here nor doesn't Change anything about WW not sounding American. I find it funny how you getting proven wrong but you are still coming at me. Stop you are only making yourself look like a fool. But why is it irrelevant? Because you keep talking about how the American accent is required to make you fluent, or at least WW, but if she visits the UK first, should she speak with a British accent? |
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Post by Skaathar on Apr 16, 2017 16:29:07 GMT
I find it telling how you keep avoiding my question: If a Brit and an Australian visit America, would you then say they weren't fluent English speakers? Actually I answered a similar question, that's another matter and not relevant here nor doesn't Change anything about WW not sounding American. I find it funny how you getting proven wrong but you are still coming at me. Stop you are only making yourself look like a fool. No, you never answered any similar question and seem to keep avoiding this. And yes, this scenario captures exactly Wonder Woman's situation. It seems she comes from a place where English is the primary language just with a different accent. So I ask again, does a Brit in New York not count as a fluent English speaker just because he has a British accent? |
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Post by thenewnexus on Apr 17, 2017 7:53:15 GMT
Actually I answered a similar question, that's another matter and not relevant here nor doesn't Change anything about WW not sounding American. I find it funny how you getting proven wrong but you are still coming at me. Stop you are only making yourself look like a fool. No, you never answered any similar question and seem to keep avoiding this. And yes, this scenario captures exactly Wonder Woman's situation. It seems she comes from a place where English is the primary language just with a different accent. So I ask again, does a Brit in New York not count as a fluent English speaker just because he has a British accent? I did answer a similar question, gonna say it again it has zero relevance her whole different matter doesn't change anything about how Wonder Woman should sound. You are attempting to grasp for Straws it's not gonna work |
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Post by thisguy4000 on Apr 17, 2017 14:17:36 GMT
I did answer a similar question, gonna say it again it has zero relevance her whole different matter doesn't change anything about how Wonder Woman should sound. You are attempting to grasp for Straws it's not gonna work So why exactly do you believe that being a fluent English speaker means she has to sound American? Where is the correlation? For that matter, why would Diana have the ability to change her accent at will? |
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Post by Skaathar on Apr 17, 2017 15:57:19 GMT
No, you never answered any similar question and seem to keep avoiding this. And yes, this scenario captures exactly Wonder Woman's situation. It seems she comes from a place where English is the primary language just with a different accent. So I ask again, does a Brit in New York not count as a fluent English speaker just because he has a British accent? I did answer a similar question, gonna say it again it has zero relevance her whole different matter doesn't change anything about how Wonder Woman should sound. You are attempting to grasp for Straws it's not gonna work Seems to me you're just trying to avoid answering the question. I already pointed out to you how it was relevant but we can discuss that later. For now, could you at least just answer the question: If a person speaks with a British accent and that person is in New York, would you consider that person not fluent in English? If you continue to dodge the question I assume it's because you know you're going to lose if you answer it. |
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Post by thenewnexus on Apr 18, 2017 0:22:58 GMT
I did answer a similar question, gonna say it again it has zero relevance her whole different matter doesn't change anything about how Wonder Woman should sound. You are attempting to grasp for Straws it's not gonna work So why exactly do you believe that being a fluent English speaker means she has to sound American? Where is the correlation? For that matter, why would Diana have the ability to change her accent at will? WW has the ability to speak all the languages fluently. Also there is countless media with her Sounding American, that's what I am going by. You sound like you are playing dumb at this point Skaather the second you tried challenging what I said, you already lost. You still have not said anything relevant in your last post. |
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Post by thisguy4000 on Apr 18, 2017 0:31:24 GMT
So why exactly do you believe that being a fluent English speaker means she has to sound American? Where is the correlation? For that matter, why would Diana have the ability to change her accent at will? WW has the ability to speak all the languages fluently. Also there is countless media with her Sounding American, that's what I am going by. You sound like you are playing dumb at this point Skaather the second you tried challenging what I said, you already lost. You still have not said anything relevant in your last post. Are you implying that I'm Skathaar? If so, I didn't realize that I've argued with myself several times in the past... Also, Wonder Woman having an American accent in other media doesn't account for much, given that she was obviously never heard speaking with one in the actual source material. |
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Post by brownstones on Apr 18, 2017 0:32:51 GMT
So why exactly do you believe that being a fluent English speaker means she has to sound American? Where is the correlation? For that matter, why would Diana have the ability to change her accent at will? WW has the ability to speak all the languages fluently. Also there is countless media with her Sounding American, that's what I am going by. You sound like you are playing dumb at this point Skaather the second you tried challenging what I said, you already lost. You still have not said anything relevant in your last post. that's because they were all American actresses. |
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Post by brownstones on Apr 18, 2017 0:33:45 GMT
WW has the ability to speak all the languages fluently. Also there is countless media with her Sounding American, that's what I am going by. You sound like you are playing dumb at this point Skaather the second you tried challenging what I said, you already lost. You still have not said anything relevant in your last post. Are you implying that I'm Skathaar? If so, I didn't realize that I've argued with myself several times in the past... Also, Wonder Woman having an American accent in other media doesn't account for much, given that she was obviously never heard speaking with one in the actual source material. but you can hear it........in your head. |
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Post by Skaathar on Apr 18, 2017 2:09:32 GMT
So why exactly do you believe that being a fluent English speaker means she has to sound American? Where is the correlation? For that matter, why would Diana have the ability to change her accent at will? WW has the ability to speak all the languages fluently. Also there is countless media with her Sounding American, that's what I am going by. You sound like you are playing dumb at this point Skaather the second you tried challenging what I said, you already lost. You still have not said anything relevant in your last post. When you can't even reply to the proper person, how are we going to take you seriously. You still haven't answered my question. Is a person speaking with a British or Australian accent considered a fluent English speaker or not? |
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Post by thenewnexus on Apr 18, 2017 8:28:48 GMT
WW has the ability to speak all the languages fluently. Also there is countless media with her Sounding American, that's what I am going by. You sound like you are playing dumb at this point Skaather the second you tried challenging what I said, you already lost. You still have not said anything relevant in your last post. Are you implying that I'm Skathaar? If so, I didn't realize that I've argued with myself several times in the past... Also, Wonder Woman having an American accent in other media doesn't account for much, given that she was obviously never heard speaking with one in the actual source material. No I am not accusing you of being Skathaar, I was also responding to him in the same post since it was a short and quick response didn't see the point in making a separate reply he reads what I write anyway nAnyway that means a lot actually if she has American Accent in media,that's how she's been depicted for Decades |
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