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Post by ArArArchStanton on Apr 12, 2017 14:24:10 GMT
Which, if any, of the original 6 Avengers would you support recasting for, and why or why not?
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Post by PreachCaleb on Apr 12, 2017 14:28:30 GMT
I'd be ok with recasting all of them. I've seen at least five Supermen, six Batmen, three Spidermen.
The characters will always live on in different interpretations.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Apr 12, 2017 14:42:04 GMT
Personally, I think RDJ is going to stick around forever. I know a lot of people think he'll get tired and want to do something else, but seriously, if he had a gig just making cameos in the MCU forever, and we have a steadily aging Tony Stark, there's no problem with that in my eyes. He could do this role until he's 70.
Evans, they don't need to recast at all. At least not right now with Bucky and Falcon waiting in the wings. It's possible they could try and bring Steve back later, but they could always go with the old route for his character as well.
Johanssen I could almost see a recast for. The thing is Black Widow is not all that vital to the overall MCU, and they aren't going to get carried away making her a focal character in the films, but I could see them doing a TV show with her at some point, and that may be after Scarlett is done. However, she's only 32 for now, but her particular character doesn't age into a senior position so far as I know, so it's a bit different dealing with her age than it is for either Tony or Steve. But I could see a new girl take on a Netflix series in 5 years or so when Scarlett is pushing 40.
Hemsworth. Actually, yes I could see Hemsworth being recast pretty easily. He's been great, but some sort of Thor rebirth angle could definitely work. I don't think they'll do the female Thor thing, but I could see it happening.
Ruffalo. Of course. Hulk is the MCU king for being recast so far, and yes I know Hulk 03 isn't a part of the continuity, but it did take place right before it, and so Banner has been recast a lot. The trouble is, I don't know that they're ever going to make him a spotlight enough to bother doing a recast if there was ever a need. The only possible thing I could see happening is they do decide to do a solo series with him, and that by then Ruffalo just doesn't work out for whatever reason. But I don't know.
Renner. Do they even need Hawkeye at all? Yes, bottom line they could recast him if it came down to it, but why? If Renner ever hung it up, what's the point? Just bring in a new character.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2017 16:35:28 GMT
The second they recast any of them I'm out. I just really despise recasts- actors are not dispensable IMO. If it's part of the same continuing story than you need these actors. If one of them wants out they should just move on. They've got plenty of characters already to spare a few of the originals. And this thing can't last forever either- everything gets stale at some point. Also, some of them are already sort of wearing out their welcome... I'm looking at you Black Widow and Hawkeye!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2017 18:20:31 GMT
Bruce, Natasha, Clint, and Thor I can see being played by other people, but I think replacing Downey and Evans would be a much taller task, considering they fit the characters like they're custom-made clothes just for them.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Apr 12, 2017 19:48:30 GMT
Bruce, Natasha, Clint, and Thor I can see being played by other people, but I think replacing Downey and Evans would be a much taller task, considering they fit the characters like they're custom-made clothes just for them. Candidly, I dislike "mid-series" recasts like Jodi Foster not playing Clarice in Hannibal, which I see as a legitimate disappointment -- as opposed to, say, Christian Bale playing Batman in a completely separate, different series of films than his predecessors. To that end I personally think it would lessen the fan experience ever-so-slightly to recast any of the principals. On the other hand, the MCU is sort of a unique case because it's this ongoing thing with lots more films than most series, and so on; that is, a lot more opportunities for performers to have contract disputes, conflicting roles in terms of schedule, and so on. I see your stance as a compromise of sorts and generally agree: they can get away with a Black Widow or maybe a Thor, but if they lose Cap or Stark they might be in a bit of trouble.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2017 20:52:53 GMT
Bruce, Natasha, Clint, and Thor I can see being played by other people, but I think replacing Downey and Evans would be a much taller task, considering they fit the characters like they're custom-made clothes just for them. Candidly, I dislike "mid-series" recasts like Jodi Foster not playing Clarice in Hannibal, which I see as a legitimate disappointment -- as opposed to, say, Christian Bale playing Batman in a completely separate, different series of films than his predecessors. To that end I personally think it would lessen the fan experience ever-so-slightly to recast any of the principals. On the other hand, the MCU is sort of a unique case because it's this ongoing thing with lots more films than most series, and so on; that is, a lot more opportunities for performers to have contract disputes, conflicting roles in terms of schedule, and so on. I see your stance as a compromise of sorts and generally agree: they can get away with a Black Widow or maybe a Thor, but if they lose Cap or Stark they might be in a bit of trouble. Agreed. Of course, that's probably why they've been bringing in new characters like no one else's business lately. We have Falcon and Bucky on hand for if/when Chris Evans decides he's done. We now have Doctor Strange, Black Panther, Spider-Man, and Rhody collectively on hand for when Downey leaves (probably at the en d of the Thanos plotline). And they can easily bring in any of the other SHIELD Agents to replace Widow and Hawkeye. I vote She-Hulk when Ruffalo leaves.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Apr 12, 2017 21:04:49 GMT
The second they recast any of them I'm out. I just really despise recasts- actors are not dispensable IMO. If it's part of the same continuing story than you need these actors. If one of them wants out they should just move on. They've got plenty of characters already to spare a few of the originals. And this thing can't last forever either- everything gets stale at some point. Also, some of them are already sort of wearing out their welcome... I'm looking at you Black Widow and Hawkeye! I'm not sure how you could automatically say you're out. What if the person nails it? Surely you'd be happy with that.
As a serious Bond fan, we celebrate a new actor, so I honestly don't get a complete rejection of the idea. Characters like Dr. Who even thrive on it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2017 22:00:19 GMT
The second they recast any of them I'm out. I just really despise recasts- actors are not dispensable IMO. If it's part of the same continuing story than you need these actors. If one of them wants out they should just move on. They've got plenty of characters already to spare a few of the originals. And this thing can't last forever either- everything gets stale at some point. Also, some of them are already sort of wearing out their welcome... I'm looking at you Black Widow and Hawkeye! I'm not sure how you could automatically say you're out. What if the person nails it? Surely you'd be happy with that.
As a serious Bond fan, we celebrate a new actor, so I honestly don't get a complete rejection of the idea. Characters like Dr. Who even thrive on it.
I just think it would be gratuitous. We've had so many great and good movies (and even some bad ones) with these characters that it just isn't necessary to recast any roles. If we could get an Iron Man 4 with RDJ or a Cap 4 with Evans I'd be thrilled... But if not we got a trilogy for each one already plus the Avengers movies too. Marvel should just let the characters rest (at least for a while) when these actors leave. Also, Bond is a little different. Each recast is essentially a new era for the franchise. It would be too awkward to see someone other than RDJ or Evans along side whoever remains after IW. And honestly as big a Bond fan as I am they probably should've just let the series rest after Connery quit. There are more bad/mediocre Bond movies than good IMO.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Apr 12, 2017 22:06:54 GMT
Why? If they're still bringing in money? It's a business. Marvel could potentially waste and lose money by letting the characters just sit around.
Not exactly true. There's continuity among the movies even when a new actor was brought on board. Even some of the supporting cast remained the same.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Apr 12, 2017 22:31:10 GMT
I just think it would be gratuitous. We've had so many great and good movies (and even some bad ones) with these characters that it just isn't necessary to recast any roles. If we could get an Iron Man 4 with RDJ or a Cap 4 with Evans I'd be thrilled... But if not we got a trilogy for each one already plus the Avengers movies too. Marvel should just let the characters rest (at least for a while) when these actors leave. Also, Bond is a little different. Each recast is essentially a new era for the franchise. It would be too awkward to see someone other than RDJ or Evans along side whoever remains after IW. And honestly as big a Bond fan as I am they probably should've just let the series rest after Connery quit. There are more bad/mediocre Bond movies than good IMO. After Connery quit? How old are you? Moore has some amazing films. Dalton I would argue is the best, and many hard core Bond fans frequently argue that. And Craig's run has been amazing.
But regarding the MCU, yes, I agree that perhaps certain characters would be more difficult than other to recast, and you're right that they should probably let them rest for a bit. But let's say it's been 5 years since we've seen Thor, Hemsworth has moved on and the MCU is still going. You really would hate to see a new actor pick it up? I'd welcome that.
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Post by Skaathar on Apr 12, 2017 23:44:31 GMT
No I wouldn't accept it. Kill them off if they're done with their contracts. The MCU has proven that they are able to bring to life C and D grade heroes. They have multitude of heroes to choose from.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2017 0:25:41 GMT
No I wouldn't accept it. Kill them off if they're done with their contracts. The MCU has proven that they are able to bring to life C and D grade heroes. They have multitude of heroes to choose from. Eh, let's not go straight to that if they're open to returning at a later time. If they say they're done and absolutely don't want to come back, ever, then yes, kill them off.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Apr 13, 2017 0:28:48 GMT
Honestly, I would rather have them focus on newer characters at that point.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Apr 13, 2017 1:32:30 GMT
Candidly, I dislike "mid-series" recasts like Jodi Foster not playing Clarice in Hannibal, which I see as a legitimate disappointment -- as opposed to, say, Christian Bale playing Batman in a completely separate, different series of films than his predecessors. To that end I personally think it would lessen the fan experience ever-so-slightly to recast any of the principals. On the other hand, the MCU is sort of a unique case because it's this ongoing thing with lots more films than most series, and so on; that is, a lot more opportunities for performers to have contract disputes, conflicting roles in terms of schedule, and so on. I see your stance as a compromise of sorts and generally agree: they can get away with a Black Widow or maybe a Thor, but if they lose Cap or Stark they might be in a bit of trouble. Agreed. Of course, that's probably why they've been bringing in new characters like no one else's business lately. We have Falcon and Bucky on hand for if/when Chris Evans decides he's done. We now have Doctor Strange, Black Panther, Spider-Man, and Rhody collectively on hand for when Downey leaves (probably at the en d of the Thanos plotline). And they can easily bring in any of the other SHIELD Agents to replace Widow and Hawkeye. I vote She-Hulk when Ruffalo leaves. Yeah, from a long-term perspective the addition of Spider-Man and Dr Strange will REALLY help them in this respect. They could also "call up" some or all of the Defenders crew as well, in more prominent roles than I believe they're slated to have. Also, random question: anybody know if Runaways will exist in the MCU? Loved that book back in the day.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2017 1:40:55 GMT
I just think it would be gratuitous. We've had so many great and good movies (and even some bad ones) with these characters that it just isn't necessary to recast any roles. If we could get an Iron Man 4 with RDJ or a Cap 4 with Evans I'd be thrilled... But if not we got a trilogy for each one already plus the Avengers movies too. Marvel should just let the characters rest (at least for a while) when these actors leave. Also, Bond is a little different. Each recast is essentially a new era for the franchise. It would be too awkward to see someone other than RDJ or Evans along side whoever remains after IW. And honestly as big a Bond fan as I am they probably should've just let the series rest after Connery quit. There are more bad/mediocre Bond movies than good IMO. After Connery quit? How old are you? Moore has some amazing films. Dalton I would argue is the best, and many hard core Bond fans frequently argue that. And Craig's run has been amazing.
But regarding the MCU, yes, I agree that perhaps certain characters would be more difficult than other to recast, and you're right that they should probably let them rest for a bit. But let's say it's been 5 years since we've seen Thor, Hemsworth has moved on and the MCU is still going. You really would hate to see a new actor pick it up? I'd welcome that.
I'm only 30, so I wasn't even close to being alive when the Connery films were made. I just think they're vastly superior to everything that followed. Although I am a fan of Craig and 2/4 of his Bond movies. Which speaks to my point that an eventual reboot is fine, even if I may or may not care about it. I'm just saying that an immediate recasting of a role is almost always a mistake.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2017 1:47:46 GMT
Why? If they're still bringing in money? It's a business. Marvel could potentially waste and lose money by letting the characters just sit around. Not exactly true. There's continuity among the movies even when a new actor was brought on board. Even some of the supporting cast remained the same. I understand it's a business, but I wasn't looking at it from a business perspective. I think that's what ultimately degrades and destroys the soul of a franchise: the desire to keep going just for the money. I say they should put the story and characters first. IMO that means having the restraint to refrain from an instant reboot or recast. And you're right about Bond. But regardless of M and Q being the same actors it does change dramatically in tone and style with each new actor. It's clearly not the same M in both Craig and Brosnan's movies so it's a weird sort of nebulous continuity.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Apr 13, 2017 1:53:36 GMT
After Connery quit? How old are you? Moore has some amazing films. Dalton I would argue is the best, and many hard core Bond fans frequently argue that. And Craig's run has been amazing.
But regarding the MCU, yes, I agree that perhaps certain characters would be more difficult than other to recast, and you're right that they should probably let them rest for a bit. But let's say it's been 5 years since we've seen Thor, Hemsworth has moved on and the MCU is still going. You really would hate to see a new actor pick it up? I'd welcome that.
I'm only 30, so I wasn't even close to being alive when the Connery films were made. I just think they're vastly superior to everything that followed. Although I am a fan of Craig and 2/4 of his Bond movies. Which speaks to my point that an eventual reboot is fine, even if I may or may not care about it. I'm just saying that an immediate recasting of a role is almost always a mistake. Immediate recasting I agree. That's why I specially said if Thor had been gone for 5 years, and they decided they'd like to bring him back into an MCU that was still going, I'll be all for looking at a new actor in the role if that's the way it goes.
Regarding Bond though, yes connery has a number of great films sure, but then he also had Diamond's are Forever, and You Only Live Twice is basically the main film Austin Powers spoofed. And that's not to mention Never Say Never Again which was complete trash along with Dr. No, which I mean,,, it's ok, but it's very very simple, I'll just say that.
Yes, he was great, but so were the others. The rest of Bond lore includes some really awesome films like Licence To Kill, Casino Royale, For Your Eyes Only, On Her Majesty's Secret Service, The Spy Who Loved Me, Goldeneye, The Living Daylights, and Skyfall, which are all excellent entries. So I find the whole "Connery is automatically the best" bit, to be a little stale. It's almost insulting to the others. Dalton was fantastic, so is Craig and Moore had some extremely good entries. The guy had a super huge range, while honestly, Connery was pretty one dimensional. I love From Russia With Love and Thunderball too, but that doesn't take away from all the other awesomeness that came after.
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Post by hi224 on Apr 13, 2017 2:06:41 GMT
perhaps if it frees up certain actors for other projects.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2017 2:19:23 GMT
I'm only 30, so I wasn't even close to being alive when the Connery films were made. I just think they're vastly superior to everything that followed. Although I am a fan of Craig and 2/4 of his Bond movies. Which speaks to my point that an eventual reboot is fine, even if I may or may not care about it. I'm just saying that an immediate recasting of a role is almost always a mistake. Immediate recasting I agree. That's why I specially said if Thor had been gone for 5 years, and they decided they'd like to bring him back into an MCU that was still going, I'll be all for looking at a new actor in the role if that's the way it goes.
Regarding Bond though, yes connery has a number of great films sure, but then he also had Diamond's are Forever, and You Only Live Twice is basically the main film Austin Powers spoofed. And that's not to mention Never Say Never Again which was complete trash along with Dr. No, which I mean,,, it's ok, but it's very very simple, I'll just say that.
Yes, he was great, but so were the others. The rest of Bond lore includes some really awesome films like Licence To Kill, Casino Royale, For Your Eyes Only, On Her Majesty's Secret Service, The Spy Who Loved Me, Goldeneye, The Living Daylights, and Skyfall, which are all excellent entries. So I find the whole "Connery is automatically the best" bit, to be a little stale. It's almost insulting to the others. Dalton was fantastic, so is Craig and Moore had some extremely good entries. The guy had a super huge range, while honestly, Connery was pretty one dimensional. I love From Russia With Love and Thunderball too, but that doesn't take away from all the other awesomeness that came after.
I really don't hate any of the Bonds. I had a blast watching through them all for the first time. I just think the Connery era had a suaveness and atmosphere to it that none could match. It's about more than just him in the role- I think the movies themselves were the best as well. Yes, YOLT and DAF are sort of silly but I do still really enjoy them. I also do love Casino Royale too. And Skyfall is pretty great too. Craig is certainly a perfect fit and I wish that Quantum and Spectre were as good as the other two. I am damn happy that he's probably returning for a fifth.
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