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Post by General Kenobi on Sept 20, 2019 0:13:18 GMT
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Post by MCDemuth on Sept 20, 2019 0:51:49 GMT
OK, I'm getting confused here... Most of the Arrowverse shows, take place on "Earth #1"... of the Multiverse ("Other Realities"/"Other Earths")... However, Supergirl is from Earth #38 (Is that correct?) And many characters from the Multiverse have appeared on "Earth #1"... The father of Barry Allen/The Flash is Henry Allen, Who is played by John Wesley Shipp... John Wesley Shipp has also played Jay Garrick/The Flash from Earth #3, In addition... John Wesley Ship has reprised his role as Barry Allen/The Flash from the 1990-1991 TV Series "The Flash", in which those events, have now been established as having taken place on Earth #90... And then it was decided that... That Brandon Routh, who plays Ray Palmer/The Atom from "Earth #1" in the Arrowverse... Will also be reprising his role as Clark Kent/Superman from "Superman Returns" (2006) as well... I guess that makes "Superman I", "Superman II", & "Superman Returns" canon in the Arrowverse Multiverse, and those events will just have taken place on "another" Earth... And now... Tom Welling will guest star on the shows to reprise his role of Clark Kent on Smallville... From even another Earth? And, Please, let's not get started on talking about the "Counsel" of Harrison Wells doppelgangers... as hilarious as they may be... It's getting SO confusing... So, let me guess... The show runners probably want three different actors, to play three different Supermans... " At the Same Time?"... "Whoa Ho!"
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Post by dazz on Sept 20, 2019 1:54:55 GMT
It get's even more confusing MCDemuth they also stated there were only 52 or 53 alternative earths, one of which is the spitting imagine of Flashpoint's earth, so where are all these additional earths coming from? And maybe it'll be 4 Superman's because maybe they will include Dean Cain as Superman, Supergirl's adopted dad AND the Smallville Vandal Savage under an assumed name due to DC/WB bullshit. I do love how it's the end of Arrow and it's Crisis so they are just like eh fuck it lets throw everything at this thing see if it works, I can hardly fathom the volume of nerdgasm reaction vids that this crossover will create. Lets also not forget Black Lightning's universe also he'll be appearing this year in the crossover also, I think ep 1 could literally just be a high my names [insert name here] I am from earth [insert number here] nice to meet everyone luncheon.
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Post by MCDemuth on Sept 20, 2019 3:32:07 GMT
And let's not forget about all those timeline remnants, that keep showing up, after they are supposed to be dead or erased from the timeline...
How many more times are we going to see Eobard Thawne/The Reverse Flash?
I couldn't understand the episodes where Eobard remembers working with Team Flash... or Eobard was in prison in the future, with Harrison Wells face... WTF?
Could some of those encounters, be with Doppelgangers from other Earths?
Or perhaps all those events, are as a result of timeline screw ups, that the Legends HAVE YET to do...
Mind Boggling...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2019 7:03:52 GMT
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Post by darkpast on Sept 20, 2019 17:29:12 GMT
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Post by General Kenobi on Sept 20, 2019 19:15:42 GMT
I just saw that on Facebook! I am so excited!
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Post by stargazer1682 on Sept 20, 2019 21:05:43 GMT
My curiosity has long since been piqued, but I have very little faith that this isn't going to turn into a major cluster-fuck. I mean, they are going to have what, 5 episodes to fit all of these characters in and come out with some sort of cohesive plot - which should be all fine and good, considering that that gives them more runtime than your average movie, but even The Avengers ended up needing to split their big crossover event into two movies.
I'm pretty much expecting many of these cameos to be flash in the pans that will be completely pointless. Look at all the hype the Earth-90 Flash had on last year's crossover, only to be in the actual thing for like, two minutes and then go out like a punk.
Still, at this point even though we now have three different Supermen, it would border on being criminal not to include Dean Cain's Superman; especially since he's already connected to the production.
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Post by dazz on Sept 20, 2019 21:38:54 GMT
My curiosity has long since been piqued, but I have very little faith that this isn't going to turn into a major cluster-fuck. I mean, they are going to have what, 5 episodes to fit all of these characters in and come out with some sort of cohesive plot - which should be all fine and good, considering that that gives them more runtime than your average movie, but even The Avengers ended up needing to split their big crossover event into two movies. I'm pretty much expecting many of these cameos to be flash in the pans that will be completely pointless. Look at all the hype the Earth-90 Flash had on last year's crossover, only to be in the actual thing for like, two minutes and then go out like a punk. Still, at this point even though we now have three different Supermen, it would border on being criminal not to include Dean Cain's Superman; especially since he's already connected to the production. That or my fear is they are going to actually rip off Endgame and suddenly have breaches open up behind Oliver when all hope is lost and all the alternative earth versions of these characters and whoever else come piling out of the woodwork in the big final battle, one thing that could be cool is if Routh's Superman is on the Anti-Monitors team and he's the one that's playing the Thanos role in that scenario and the first hero through was Welling's Superman to save Oliver, that way we get 00's TV Superman Vs. 00's Movie Superman fighting.
What could be cool is if all these cameos were tied into appearances in Arrow so like present day has Team Arrow without Oliver saving the city or future Team Arrow even and Oliver is in his own side story recruiting heroes for Crisis, that way in the crossover it can start where he just turns up with an army of superhero's for the war to come, and that way we do get time with all these characters even if in the crossover they aren't used heavily.
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Post by stargazer1682 on Sept 21, 2019 15:06:52 GMT
My curiosity has long since been piqued, but I have very little faith that this isn't going to turn into a major cluster-fuck. I mean, they are going to have what, 5 episodes to fit all of these characters in and come out with some sort of cohesive plot - which should be all fine and good, considering that that gives them more runtime than your average movie, but even The Avengers ended up needing to split their big crossover event into two movies. I'm pretty much expecting many of these cameos to be flash in the pans that will be completely pointless. Look at all the hype the Earth-90 Flash had on last year's crossover, only to be in the actual thing for like, two minutes and then go out like a punk. Still, at this point even though we now have three different Supermen, it would border on being criminal not to include Dean Cain's Superman; especially since he's already connected to the production. That or my fear is they are going to actually rip off Endgame and suddenly have breaches open up behind Oliver when all hope is lost and all the alternative earth versions of these characters and whoever else come piling out of the woodwork in the big final battle, one thing that could be cool is if Routh's Superman is on the Anti-Monitors team and he's the one that's playing the Thanos role in that scenario and the first hero through was Welling's Superman to save Oliver, that way we get 00's TV Superman Vs. 00's Movie Superman fighting.
What could be cool is if all these cameos were tied into appearances in Arrow so like present day has Team Arrow without Oliver saving the city or future Team Arrow even and Oliver is in his own side story recruiting heroes for Crisis, that way in the crossover it can start where he just turns up with an army of superhero's for the war to come, and that way we do get time with all these characters even if in the crossover they aren't used heavily.
I don't know about that sort of clash of the Supermans, just because Routh's Superman is the closest we'll get to the Christopher Reeve iteration of Superman being involved; and I really hope they treat it as such, even if Superman Return was somewhere between a sequel and a reboot.
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Post by stargazer1682 on Sept 21, 2019 15:08:08 GMT
I wonder if they could use Dean Cain as Cyborg Superman, based on his 90s iteration of Superman; or if that would get too confusing, given the parallel storyline his Supergirl character was involved with.
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Post by dazz on Sept 21, 2019 15:34:25 GMT
That or my fear is they are going to actually rip off Endgame and suddenly have breaches open up behind Oliver when all hope is lost and all the alternative earth versions of these characters and whoever else come piling out of the woodwork in the big final battle, one thing that could be cool is if Routh's Superman is on the Anti-Monitors team and he's the one that's playing the Thanos role in that scenario and the first hero through was Welling's Superman to save Oliver, that way we get 00's TV Superman Vs. 00's Movie Superman fighting.
What could be cool is if all these cameos were tied into appearances in Arrow so like present day has Team Arrow without Oliver saving the city or future Team Arrow even and Oliver is in his own side story recruiting heroes for Crisis, that way in the crossover it can start where he just turns up with an army of superhero's for the war to come, and that way we do get time with all these characters even if in the crossover they aren't used heavily.
I don't know about that sort of clash of the Supermans, just because Routh's Superman is the closest we'll get to the Christopher Reeve iteration of Superman being involved; and I really hope they treat it as such, even if Superman Return was somewhere between a sequel and a reboot. I dunno I just thought he's meant to be playing a Kingdom Come style older Superman so if they did that and made him more of a antagonist like he's grown weary of things and is recruited by Anti-Monitor because of this it could be fun, plus having Atom & Routh's Superman on the same side could be a bit odd.
But yeah if it was the Superman Returns version I could see an issue because it is meant to be the same continuity as the Donner Superman.
Or they could do it where Welling is the "evil" Superman incorporate some Injustice into things and his version of Lois was killed which broke him, and Durance will come from a Earth where her Superman died and she's used similar to JL as a way to reach Superman when nothing else will.
I dunno im just spit balling here, specifically about ways they could make a Endgame rip off arrival of all the heroes atleast have some cool moment,s but overall I wouldn't want an Endgame rip off scene.
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Post by stargazer1682 on Sept 21, 2019 17:02:28 GMT
I don't know about that sort of clash of the Supermans, just because Routh's Superman is the closest we'll get to the Christopher Reeve iteration of Superman being involved; and I really hope they treat it as such, even if Superman Return was somewhere between a sequel and a reboot. I dunno I just thought he's meant to be playing a Kingdom Come style older Superman so if they did that and made him more of a antagonist like he's grown weary of things and is recruited by Anti-Monitor because of this it could be fun, plus having Atom & Routh's Superman on the same side could be a bit odd.
But yeah if it was the Superman Returns version I could see an issue because it is meant to be the same continuity as the Donner Superman.
Or they could do it where Welling is the "evil" Superman incorporate some Injustice into things and his version of Lois was killed which broke him, and Durance will come from a Earth where her Superman died and she's used similar to JL as a way to reach Superman when nothing else will.
I dunno im just spit balling here, specifically about ways they could make a Endgame rip off arrival of all the heroes atleast have some cool moment,s but overall I wouldn't want an Endgame rip off scene.
I've heard about the Kingdom Come comparison, but that Superman isn't an antagonist, more like he's been beaten down and defeated by time - he feels like his best days behind him and that world has moved on. Not that they need more Supermans, but it's kind of a shame they can't find a way to work the George Reeves Superman in there; he's always been one of my favorite takes on Superman, and he had a build closer to the Kingdom Come Superman.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2019 12:07:33 GMT
Eh, doesnt really matter to me. It's the CW superhero shows after all, so cohesiveness is not that all important to them. Would just be happy for it to go out with a bang, down memory lane, an orgy of eyegasms. Although if they did handle juggling things all at once in a proper way than thats always welcome, thats a big if.
So do you guys think Ollie will go out Iron Man style (sacrifice) or Cap (passing over of the torch)?
Any word on Michael Rosenbaum? Would be cool to see Major Zod too, even better if they promoted him to General. Fuck Darkseid.
What about Gotham? Could that be a surprise? Krypton series was considered for the cross-over before it was cancelled I think
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2019 12:09:00 GMT
Arrow's deathstroke would be awesome to see too or one of the deathstrokes
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Post by MCDemuth on Sept 24, 2019 15:22:59 GMT
With all of these SuperMEN appearing in the next crossover...
They should have another Supergirl...
Maybe they can have Helen Slater play Supergirl along side Brandon Routh's Superman!
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Post by stargazer1682 on Sept 24, 2019 15:59:30 GMT
With all of these SuperMEN appearing in the next crossover... They should have another Supergirl... Maybe they can have Helen Slater play Supergirl along side Brandon Routh's Superman! There's something magical about the idea of a just an army of Melissa Benoists.....
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Post by stargazer1682 on Sept 24, 2019 21:24:13 GMT
So do you guys think Ollie will go out Iron Man style (sacrifice) or Cap (passing over of the torch)? Even as early as the end of last season, the more they hinted at and then blatantly established Oliver would die in the Crisis, leads me to think they'll have him survive at the last minute. This has only become more true as they club us over the head with the idea of Oliver's impending death with all the teasers and trailers. I won't be surprised if it plays out this way, but I hope it doesn't - I have a sneaking suspicion that at some critical moment when Oliver appears to be on the verge of being killed, "Old" Felicity will show up with the Monitor as the conclusion of the deal or whatever was going on between her and the Monitor in the season finale; and Oliver and Felicity will escape through a pocket dimension where they'll "live happily ever after" like Superman and Lois of Earth-2 did in the original CoIE comics. Really hope it doesn't happen that way, but it's probably going to be something at least as nauseating as that....
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2019 22:29:35 GMT
So do you guys think Ollie will go out Iron Man style (sacrifice) or Cap (passing over of the torch)? Even as early as the end of last season, the more they hinted at and then blatantly established Oliver would die in the Crisis, leads me to think they'll have him survive at the last minute. This has only become more true as they club us over the head with the idea of Oliver's impending death with all the teasers and trailers. I won't be surprised if it plays out this way, but I hope it doesn't - I have a sneaking suspicion that at some critical moment when Oliver appears to be on the verge of being killed, "Old" Felicity will show up with the Monitor as the conclusion of the deal or whatever was going on between her and the Monitor in the season finale; and Oliver and Felicity will escape through a pocket dimension where they'll "live happily ever after" like Superman and Lois of Earth-2 did in the original CoIE comics. Really hope it doesn't happen that way, but it's probably going to be something at least as nauseating as that.... ZOMG! That will probably happen, anything to make Felicity the hero...then again Arrow has a different showrunner now. No more Gugs
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Post by dazz on Sept 24, 2019 23:53:26 GMT
So do you guys think Ollie will go out Iron Man style (sacrifice) or Cap (passing over of the torch)? Even as early as the end of last season, the more they hinted at and then blatantly established Oliver would die in the Crisis, leads me to think they'll have him survive at the last minute. This has only become more true as they club us over the head with the idea of Oliver's impending death with all the teasers and trailers. I won't be surprised if it plays out this way, but I hope it doesn't - I have a sneaking suspicion that at some critical moment when Oliver appears to be on the verge of being killed, "Old" Felicity will show up with the Monitor as the conclusion of the deal or whatever was going on between her and the Monitor in the season finale; and Oliver and Felicity will escape through a pocket dimension where they'll "live happily ever after" like Superman and Lois of Earth-2 did in the original CoIE comics. Really hope it doesn't happen that way, but it's probably going to be something at least as nauseating as that.... Oh god plz god no.
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